***Official JN Jay Cutler Talk - All Jay, All Day*** [Merged 49X]

[slats]

I don't think Cutler is a sure thing to succeed in NY and for the long term. 50/50 imo. All world talent, but that's not all it takes. So the risk of losing another high draft pick which could equate to a elite player is foolish.

I'd put Cutler's chances of succeeding at higher than 50%, and certainly much higher than the chances of getting a QB of his caliber in the draft given the draft's history.

I'd say it's foolish to pass on talent in hand for the opportunity to maybe select an elite player in the draft next year. How many elite players actually come out of every first round? The odds with Cutler seem a lot higher to me.

[AdropOFvenom]

The Jets ranked dead last in the NFL in yards-per-carry when running behind left tackle.

Brick sucks at run blocking.

Maybe, but that's about the equivalent of saying that sure Tom Brady is a great quarterback, but he's not a great athlete. In terms of a Left Tackle, Pass Protection is the first, second, and third important aspect of the job, Run Blocking is almost a bonus.

Oh and by the way, you're crazy if you think Denver wants D'Brick. They have a guy named Ryan Clady who is pretty damn good already, possibly even better then D'Brick.

[AdropOFvenom]

I like Joyner but...

A) You're comparing Jay Cutler's 3rd season to Brett Favre's final season. There's still reason to believe that Jay Cutler will continue to grow as a Quarterback and make better decisions as he gets more experience. I would think the percentage of Quarterbacks that leveled off and never improved after their 3rd season is probably less then 10%.

He's implying Brett Favre's production last year as if it's completely a bad thing. I'd gladly sign up for the Brett Favre of the First 11 games last year, as long as I don't get the Brett Favre of the Last 5 games last year to come with it.

[The Troll]

And that's great, I still want him, but not at the risk of losing the opportunity to take other players. Fear of failure is not a reason to avoid trying. This sure thing you are all banking on in Cutler delivering for us is worth in your (collective you) estimation another 1st round pick or starting player.

I don't think Cutler is a sure thing to succeed in NY and for the long term. 50/50 imo. All world talent, but that's not all it takes. So the risk of losing another high draft pick which could equate to a elite player is foolish.

But everyone is assuming the draft pick this year and next year is going to fail anyway. Which is just as convenient as assuming Cutler will be successful here.

Cutler is a proven commodity at the hardest position in the entire league to fill.

Draft picks are crapshoots.

We have not had a QB of Cutler's caliber in FORTY ****ING YEARS! Suddenly, some people think that they grow on trees and that we'll just pick one up next year.

[afosomf]

Cutler is a proven commodity at the hardest position in the entire league to fill.

Draft picks are crapshoots.

We have not had a QB of Cutler's caliber in FORTY ****ING YEARS! Suddenly, some people think that they grow on trees and that we'll just pick one up next year.

Amen +1000

with cutler we will get to dance within 3 years and contend this year

without him, we will be mired in mediocrity forever

[justincredible]

That was a waste of 3 minutes.

[neckdemon]

Who is tracking, or better yet determining what exactly constitutes "near interceptions?"

it's like that stat they invented for the dribbling idiot bruschi that one year....what was it again? hits?

[green_blood]

buyer beware!!

Brett Ratliff isnt good. Lets move on.

[SoFlaJets]

The team has listened but is telling suitors it wants to keep its angry QB.

By Mike Klis

The Denver Post

If the Broncos decide to formally put Jay Cutler up for trade, they won't have trouble finding partners.

An NFL source said "more than 10" teams have called the Broncos this week inquiring about Cutler.

In most instances, those teams communicated nothing more than interest should Cutler become available. The Broncos have listened but have told all comers their plan is not to trade Cutler. He requested to be traded Sunday.

Cutler, 25, threw for a franchise-record 4,526 yards and was named to the Pro Bowl last season, but his relationship with new coach Josh McDaniels has been sideways since Cutler learned of a trade proposal that would have made former New England quarterback Matt Cassel the Broncos' quarterback. Cutler would have gone to Tampa Bay in the three-team deal

Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, told NFL.com on Wednesday the root of his client's discontent was that Broncos owner Pat Bowlen didn't keep his word of retaining his offensive coaching staff intact after firing head coach Mike Shanahan. Instead, Cook said, Bowlen hired McDaniels, an offensive-minded coach who didn't want to keep Shanahan's top quarterback assistant, Jeremy Bates.

However, Cook must have forgotten Cutler signed off on the coaching changes during Super Bowl week, a few days after McDaniels set his staff.

"I talked to him after he got hired and it went really well," Cutler said of McDaniels on Jan. 30. "You know, when we got off the phone, I was excited, I really was. I had a good feeling about it."

Clearly, Cutler's problem is with the trade proposal and how McDaniels has since handled it. McDaniels admitted to Cutler he had interest in Cassel after coaching him the previous three seasons as New England's offensive coordinator. But McDaniels also said his interest never reached a point where he submitted the idea to Bowlen. Cassel was instead traded to Kansas City.

Since then, McDaniels and Cutler have talked twice, one in a conference call, and again Saturday in a meeting that also included Cook and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders.

Each conversation ended without Cutler not feeling reassured McDaniels trusts him to be his quarterback. After issuing his trade request, Cutler skipped McDaniels' first team meeting Monday and the first week of the team's offseason conditioning program.

A second NFL source said the Broncos remain optimistic about soothing the situation with their quarterback. Team officials do not want to give up on the tantalizing possibility of teaming Cutler's enormous, if not fully developed, talent with a coach who coordinated a New England offense to an NFL record 589 points in 2007.

The Broncos would not be surprised if teams more aggressively pursue Cutler during the NFL owners meetings that begin Sunday in Dana Point, Calif.

Which teams would be interested in Cutler? It might be easier to count the teams who already have franchise quarterbacks.

Teams who figure to have untouchable passers are New England (Tom Brady), Indianapolis (Peyton Manning), New Orleans (Drew Brees), the New York Giants (Eli Manning), San Diego (Philip Rivers), Pittsburgh (Ben Roethlisberger), Cincinnati (Carson Palmer), Green Bay (Aaron Rodgers), Atlanta (Matt Ryan) and Baltimore (Joe Flacco).

[afosomf]

The team has listened but is telling suitors it wants to keep its angry QB.

By Mike Klis

The Denver Post

If the Broncos decide to formally put Jay Cutler up for trade, they won't have trouble finding partners.

An NFL source said "more than 10" teams have called the Broncos this week inquiring about Cutler.

In most instances, those teams communicated nothing more than interest should Cutler become available. The Broncos have listened but have told all comers their plan is not to trade Cutler. He requested to be traded Sunday.

Cutler, 25, threw for a franchise-record 4,526 yards and was named to the Pro Bowl last season, but his relationship with new coach Josh McDaniels has been sideways since Cutler learned of a trade proposal that would have made former New England quarterback Matt Cassel the Broncos' quarterback. Cutler would have gone to Tampa Bay in the three-team deal

Cutler's agent, Bus Cook, told NFL.com on Wednesday the root of his client's discontent was that Broncos owner Pat Bowlen didn't keep his word of retaining his offensive coaching staff intact after firing head coach Mike Shanahan. Instead, Cook said, Bowlen hired McDaniels, an offensive-minded coach who didn't want to keep Shanahan's top quarterback assistant, Jeremy Bates.

However, Cook must have forgotten Cutler signed off on the coaching changes during Super Bowl week, a few days after McDaniels set his staff.

"I talked to him after he got hired and it went really well," Cutler said of McDaniels on Jan. 30. "You know, when we got off the phone, I was excited, I really was. I had a good feeling about it."

Clearly, Cutler's problem is with the trade proposal and how McDaniels has since handled it. McDaniels admitted to Cutler he had interest in Cassel after coaching him the previous three seasons as New England's offensive coordinator. But McDaniels also said his interest never reached a point where he submitted the idea to Bowlen. Cassel was instead traded to Kansas City.

Since then, McDaniels and Cutler have talked twice, one in a conference call, and again Saturday in a meeting that also included Cook and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders.

Each conversation ended without Cutler not feeling reassured McDaniels trusts him to be his quarterback. After issuing his trade request, Cutler skipped McDaniels' first team meeting Monday and the first week of the team's offseason conditioning program.

A second NFL source said the Broncos remain optimistic about soothing the situation with their quarterback. Team officials do not want to give up on the tantalizing possibility of teaming Cutler's enormous, if not fully developed, talent with a coach who coordinated a New England offense to an NFL record 589 points in 2007.

The Broncos would not be surprised if teams more aggressively pursue Cutler during the NFL owners meetings that begin Sunday in Dana Point, Calif.

Which teams would be interested in Cutler? It might be easier to count the teams who already have franchise quarterbacks.

Teams who figure to have untouchable passers are New England (Tom Brady), Indianapolis (Peyton Manning), New Orleans (Drew Brees), the New York Giants (Eli Manning), San Diego (Philip Rivers), Pittsburgh (Ben Roethlisberger), Cincinnati (Carson Palmer), Green Bay (Aaron Rodgers), Atlanta (Matt Ryan) and Baltimore (Joe Flacco).

i wouldn't be shocked if mumbles shipped off cindy for cutler

gains 6 years in age and better knees

[Larz]

what's good old bus' next move ?

shoot bowlens dog ?

post a video on youtube of bowlens wife with cutler ?

looks like he's got his work cut out for him

[Aten]

I liked this article better the first time when he was trying to prove Chad throws a better deep ball than Favre. At least that was funny.

[Aten]

21 teams have no interest in Cutler. Denver has zero leverage.

[afosomf]

21 teams have no interest in Cutler. Denver has zero leverage.

SMC is always right;)

[spjets]

i wouldn't be shocked if mumbles shipped off cindy for cutler

gains 6 years in age and better knees

now that would be funny ****...

[afosomf]

now that would be funny ****...

it would be bad for us

[Sperm Edwards]

What's not factored in this is the fact that Favre was an experienced quarterback in his 37th season. Cutler is entering only his fourth year in the league and third as a full-time starter. He is entering his prime and will be one of the best in the league.

The stats cited assume that he will track at the exact same level as last year in all categories. That is not going to happen. He will improve on the mistake categories as his experience and maturity grows. His mistake stats were also inflated because of how much passing the defensively challenged Broncos had to do. They were also unable to run effectively due to injuries to their RBs.

If you insert Cutler into the Jets roster, you have a 12-13 win team. The only question is what's the price? Any and all reasosnable attempts to get him should be made.

What's also not factored in was Favre's TD to Stuckey when he chucked the ball up in the air. Because it worked out, through dumb luck, it (like many other passes) are not counted in "bad decisions" yet he counts an INT in the end zone, that bounced off his receiver's hands first, as being a bad decision on Cutler's part.

Insightful. The author clearly watches football games in sortable stat columns on nfl.com or espn.com and doesn't watch football games with his eyes.

[CTM]

21 teams have no interest in Cutler. Denver has zero leverage.

lol...

I don't understand some peoples reaction to this, Jeff George was once traded when he was 26. The trade was for the #5 pick in the draft, an early rd 3. And another pick that ended up being a first rounder as well.

The difference is Jeff George was nowhere near as good as Cutler was at that time. People forget this is a kid whose played 3 seasons, 2 of which were with undiagnosed and untreated diabetes....

Year G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng Rate

1993 13 407 234 57.5 31.3 2,526 6.2 194.3 8 2.0 6 1.5 72T 76.3

1992 10 306 167 54.6 30.6 1,963 6.4 196.3 7 2.3 15 4.9 57T 61.5

1991 16 485 292 60.2 30.3 2,910 6.0 181.9 10 2.1 12 2.5 49T 73.8

1990 13 334 181 54.2 25.7 2,152 6.4 165.5 16 4.8 13 3.9 75 73.8

2 years ago when Matt Schaub was the same age as Cutler he was traded for 2 #2s and a swap of first rd picks from 10 to 8. His career stats? A 6/6 TD/INT ratio, a 50% completion on 160 career passes and 0 wins as a starter..

The fact is that when young QB's become available they cost a heavy bounty in a deal. Jay Cutler is the best one to come available in a long time.

[gang_green03]

There's to many variables to go purely off stats like this. It doesn't take account the supporting cast, the defense, the situations the player was in, etc. Cutler is a top 10 QB that hasn't entered the prime of his career yet. There are risks with him, of course, but he's much less risky than any of our QBs or anyone we could draft and he has equal or greater potential than any QB in the draft or on our team. The Jets should do almost whatever it takes to get him and its really a no brainer.

[Larz]

Jay Cutler is the best one to come available in a long time.

according to this article, he isn't available

[Aten]

according to this article, he isn't available

Ten teams are interested. If at least three are serious, he's available. Nobody is really unavailable. If Belichick had three teams that were really serious about doing what it would actually take to get Brady, he'd be gone by Monday morning.

[Jets Babe]

bump

[Aten]

bump

Goddammit. Now it looks like I started a poll.

[CTM]

Goddammit. Now it looks like I started a poll.

A damn fine one at that.

Do you want Cutler?

[] Yes

[] No

[GangGreen]

A damn fine one at that.

Do you want Cutler?

[x] Yes

[] No

Yes........

[SMC]

21 teams have no interest in Cutler. Denver has zero leverage.

SMC is always right;)

Thank you.

31 teams can have interest in Cutler. That doesn't mean Denver will trade him at a premium. Interest does not equal bidding war.

Of course there will be interest in Cutler. Heck, there was also a lot of interest in Michael Turner in his last year with the Chargers, but AJ Smith's asking price was too high and no team bit.

And CTM's point on George is off the mark because that trade was done in a different era. Heck, Keyshawn Johnson was traded for 2 1st rounders 9 years ago while Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder 2 years ago.

Under CTMlogic, Moss should have at least been traded for 4 1st rounders. Multiple 1st rounders for a veteran is essentially nonexistant in today's NFL. I'm not saying that that's impossible with Cutler, just that it's unlikely based on how teams, agents, and GMs have run the business of the NFL in the last 6 years or so.

[afosomf]

Thank you.

31 teams can have interest in Cutler. That doesn't mean Denver will trade him at a premium. Interest does not equal bidding war.

Of course there will be interest in Cutler. Heck, there was also a lot of interest in Michael Turner in his last year with the Chargers, but AJ Smith's asking price was too high and no team bit.

And CTM's point on George is off the mark because that trade was done in a different era. Heck, Keyshawn Johnson was traded for 2 1st rounders 9 years ago while Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder 2 years ago.

Under CTMlogic, Moss should have at least been traded for 4 1st rounders. Multiple 1st rounders for a veteran is essentially nonexistant in today's NFL. I'm not saying that that's impossible with Cutler, just that it's unlikely based on how teams, agents, and GMs have run the business of the NFL in the last 6 years or so.

would u like to bet? 2 1st rounders at minimum for cutler

[CTM]

And CTM's point on George is off the mark because that trade was done in a different era. Heck, Keyshawn Johnson was traded for 2 1st rounders 9 years ago while Randy Moss was traded for a 4th rounder 2 years ago.

Under CTMlogic, Moss should have at least been traded for 4 1st rounders. Multiple 1st rounders for a veteran is essentially nonexistant in today's NFL. I'm not saying that that's impossible with Cutler, just that it's unlikely based on how teams, agents, and GMs have run the business of the NFL in the last 6 years or so.

Randy Moss was thought to be over the hill and a team cancer at that point in his career. MeShawn was 27 and coming off of 2 pro bowl seasons in the year he was traded, 1 of which there was nothing at QB.

Also, if memory serves his contract and willingness to renegotiate was an issue, allowing him have some influence over his destination.

Why not reference the 2005 trade to Oakland which is more comparable in which Moss netted a #7, a 7th rounder and Napolean Harris. Using the draft value chart against what Keyshawn returned, Napolean Harris was valued as a late second rounder in the deal.

Try again..

[Aten]

31 teams can have interest in Cutler. That doesn't mean Denver will trade him at a premium. Interest does not equal bidding war.

If one team is serious, it goes pretty much like you say. They try to lowball Denver, the Broncos make exorbitant demands, everybody wastes a bunch of time spinning wheels and nothing happens.

If two teams are serious, again Cutler doesn't move but it blows over faster because they quickly bid it to the point where it's clear nothing is going to happen because they're maxed and he's just worth more to Denver than he is to anybody else.

If three teams are serious, one of them goes bonkos.

[SMC]

Randy Moss was thought to be over the hill and a team cancer at that point in his career. MeShawn was 27 and coming off of 2 pro bowl seasons in the year he was traded, 1 of which there was nothing at QB.

Also, if memory serves his contract and willingness to renegotiate was an issue, allowing him have some influence over his destination.

Why not reference the 2005 trade to Oakland which is more comparable in which Moss netted a #7, a 7th rounder and Napolean Harris. Using the draft value chart against what Keyshawn returned, Napolean Harris was valued as a late second rounder in the deal.

Try again..

Try again? A 1st rounder, 2nd rounder (Napolean) and a 7th rounder is no way close to Keyshawn's 2 1st rounders. Get real. Moss in 2005 was waaaaayyyy more highly thought of than Keyshawn was.

Your turn to try again.

[afosomf]

Try again? A 1st rounder, 2nd rounder (Napolean) and a 7th rounder is no way close to Keyshawn's 2 1st rounders. Get real. Moss in 2005 was waaaaayyyy more highly thought of than Keyshawn was.

Your turn to try again.

no way moss was lazy and was a turd in OAk

you are wrong

[CTM]

Try again? A 1st rounder, 2nd rounder (Napolean) and a 7th rounder is no way close to Keyshawn's 2 1st rounders. Get real. Moss in 2005 was waaaaayyyy more highly thought of than Keyshawn was.

Your turn to try again.

sigh... You are caught up on the "2 first rounders" part rather then the value of those picks. I said that in order for what keyshawn returned to equate to what moss returned, you'd have to value Napolean Harris as a late second rounder and the deals are equivalent.

point - Is the 28th and the 29th picks equal to the #1 and #2? They are both "2 first rounders" after all..

[SMC]

If one team is serious, it goes pretty much like you say. They try to lowball Denver, the Broncos make exorbitant demands, everybody wastes a bunch of time spinning wheels and nothing happens.

If two teams are serious, again Cutler doesn't move but it blows over faster because they quickly bid it to the point where it's clear nothing is going to happen because they're maxed and he's just worth more to Denver than he is to anybody else.

If three teams are serious, one of them goes bonkos.

Bonkos is the key. Having 10 teams "interested" doesn't mean any one of them will go bonkos.

Heck, Denver could knock a lot of them out of the picture if they think like absomof and say that 2 1st rounders is the start of negotiations. I wouldn't be surprised if such a demand torpedoed all discussions and then Denver and the teams have to start from scratch.

[SMC]

no way moss was lazy and was a turd in OAk

you are wrong

Afosomf, pay attention, will ya?

I was referring to Moss getting traded from the Vikings to Oakland.

He wasn't considered a lazy turd with the Vikes.

[SMC]

sigh... You are caught up on the "2 first rounders" part rather then the value of those picks. I said that in order for what keyshawn returned to equate to what moss returned, you'd have to value Napolean Harris as a late second rounder and the deals are equivalent.

point - Is the 28th and the 29th picks equal to the #1 and #2? They are both "2 first rounders" after all..

The bottom line is that Keshawn in 2000 garnered a higher package than Moss did even though Moss has considered the better talent when he was traded by the Vikes. What changed was the NFL.

Trading 2 1st rounders for a veteran is now a rarity. That's my main point. Back in the 90s and turn of the century trading 2 1st rounders happened more often than now.