Ex-Rex Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 How about that passive aggressive Rex Ryan? John Idzik has undermined Rex all season and then forces him to start a QB that everyone knows is a bust. What does he do? He plays Geno, but doesn't let Geno play. The only thing that can satisfy me now is a Rex/Idzik squared circle death match after the conclusion of the NE game. I know its a mismatch so give Idzik a blackjack to even things up a little bit. Even in the dysfunctional annals of Jets football this is a situation that is so toxic that Woody Johnson has got to clean house just to remove the stench of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Idzik one of those backbenchers who grew so comfortable sitting behind a good boss that he thought it looked easy now that he is the man he realizes different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex's plan almost worked. Clearly it was better idea than "letting Geno play." Geno Smith friggin stinks. If you let him play he will throw 3 interceptions before the end of the first quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 How about that passive aggressive Rex Ryan? John Idzik has undermined Rex all season and then forces him to start a QB that everyone knows is a bust. What does he do? He plays Geno, but doesn't let Geno play. The only thing that can satisfy me now is a Rex/Idzik squared circle death match after the conclusion of the NE game. I know its a mismatch so give Idzik a blackjack to even things up a little bit. Even in the dysfunctional annals of Jets football this is a situation that is so toxic that Woody Johnson has got to clean house just to remove the stench of it all. I repeat why would anyone with options choose to coach the nyj? If we want harbaugh he is going to demand full control to insulate himself from this exact type of garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex's plan almost worked. Clearly it was better idea than "letting Geno play." Geno Smith friggin stinks. If you let him play he will throw 3 interceptions before the end of the first quarter. Rex came up with best possible plan for the cards idzik dealt him last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillybott Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 When you said blackjack....it brought this video to mind (couldn't embed it) http://youtu.be/AnXh3XR9zyM (the real action starts around 2:30) Could this be the 2014 NYJ front office party theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex's plan almost worked. Clearly it was better idea than "letting Geno play." Geno Smith friggin stinks. If you let him play he will throw 3 interceptions before the end of the first quarter. Let's extend Rex 3 more years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Let's extend Rex 3 more years defense held Miami to 16 points. the offensive game plan held Miami's pass defense in check. only thing missing was a few play action passes that geno would have messed up anyways. but lets not extend rex for 3 more years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 defense held Miami to 16 points. the offensive game plan held Miami's pass defense in check. only thing missing was a few play action passes that geno would have messed up anyways. but lets not extend rex for 3 more years You missed my sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex came up with best possible plan for the cards idzik dealt him last night Pretty much...letting Geno throw the ball has proven to be a great way to lose football games...it was time to try something new. However, the run/pass ratio was insane and there should have been a few play-action bombs thrown in the mix IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex came up with best possible plan for the cards idzik dealt him last night We don't NEED to be winning though. We're in a dogfight for that 3rd pick. Raiders and Jaguars picking ahead of us likely would mean we'd get to take the best QB we see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 2014 NY Jets; a maelstrom...smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Pretty much...letting Geno throw the ball has proven to be a great way to lose football games...it was time to try something new. However, the run/pass ratio was insane and there should have been a few play-action bombs thrown in the mix IMO. agree with you there We don't NEED to be winning though. We're in a dogfight for that 3rd pick. Raiders and Jaguars picking ahead of us likely would mean we'd get to take the best QB we see fit. i have never been a fan of tanking for draft position. i understand the argument for it, but i don't think a few spots matters much especially with this team's draft history and i think it does intangible harm to the team and its players, especially the young guys, to see an organization roll over rather than fight to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 i have never been a fan of tanking for draft position. i understand the argument for it, but i don't think a few spots matters much especially with this team's draft history and i think it does intangible harm to the team and its players, especially the young guys, to see an organization roll over rather than fight to the end. 1. The young players aren't even getting a chance to play when they should be, because our HC needs to win rather than try to develop guys like Ik Enemkpali. 2. The players aren't going to roll over. And no one is asking them to. See point # 1. Play the young guys and operate with a gameplan that seeks to see what you have rather than win at all costs. Only Rex is keeping us from doing this. Let the YOUNG players fight to the finish rather than stupid Jason Babin and other guys who won't even be here in 2015. 3. If we clean house we need to treat our draft history like it's moot, because all the people associated with prior draft failures will be gone. And in any case, the best way to avoid draft mistakes is to have an earlier pick. Our biggest blunders occurred when we picked later in rounds because we gave 1st round grades to guys who shouldn't have been (Shonn Greene, Vlad Ducasse). We nailed it on Muhammad Wilkerson and we whiffed on Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner, true. But there's a big difference between a mid-round pick and a top 5 pick. Maximize your odds of nailing the pick and get an elite talent. That's a good way to reduce your margin for error. It also can improve the quality of our later picks. You can acquire 1st round talent with the 3rd pick in the 2nd round if you're smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 1. The young players aren't even getting a chance to play when they should be, because our HC needs to win rather than try to develop guys like Ik Enemkpali. 2. The players aren't going to roll over. And no one is asking them to. See point # 1. Play the young guys and operate with a gameplan that seeks to see what you have rather than win at all costs. Only Rex is keeping us from doing this. Let the YOUNG players fight to the finish rather than stupid Jason Babin and other guys who won't even be here in 2015. 3. If we clean house we need to treat our draft history like it's moot. And in any case, the best way to avoid draft mistakes is to have an earlier pick. Our biggest blunders occurred when we picked later in rounds because we gave 1st round grades to guys who shouldn't have been just to try to acquire "upside" (SEE: Shonn Greene, Vlad Ducasse, Kyle Wilson, Calvin Pryor). We nailed it on Muhammad Wilkerson and we whiffed on Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner, true. But there's a big difference between a mid-round pick and a top 5 pick. Maximize your odds of nailing the pick and get an elite talent. That's a good way to reduce your margin for error. not arguing that a better pick is better, just not at the cost of tanking. but it sounds like you aren't saying we should tank, so i apologize for misunderstanding your point. i'm just very beaten down by this team right now, even though i saw this coming, and i have a sinking feeling we are stuck with idzik and i just can't feel good about going into any draft with him making the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 not arguing that a better pick is better, just not at the cost of tanking. but it sounds like you aren't saying we should tank, so i apologize for misunderstanding your point. i'm just very beaten down by this team right now, even though i saw this coming, and i have a sinking feeling we are stuck with idzik and i just can't feel good about going into any draft with him making the call. Few teams in NFL history has truly tanked. And there's definitely a lack of tank-worthy players in this crop from early appearances. But you can't have a HC around whose philosophy runs counter to what the team wants. Rex is thinking only about his own future, whereas Woody and whoever sticks around next year needs to be thinking about the next 5 years of Jets football. You can't have two divergent plans of attack going on at once. Fire Rex to remove the distraction and install an interim coach who will be part of the staff next year who will toe the company line and give the young players snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Few teams in NFL history has truly tanked. And there's definitely a lack of tank-worthy players in this crop from early appearances. But you can't have a HC around whose philosophy runs counter to what the team wants. Rex is thinking only about his own future, whereas Woody and whoever sticks around next year needs to be thinking about the next 5 years of Jets football. You can't have two divergent plans of attack going on at once. yes which i why i wanted rex fired mid season. whoever you make interim tell them you will evaluate whether they are a viable candidate for the job in 2015 if they show development of the young guys for the remainder of the season. agree with you, you need alignment of priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex is an ass. Straight up. It's one thing to strategically tank, it's another to lose because the coach wants to play petty politics with the GM. I really do wonder how many organizations are going to even bother with him after this year. His defenses haven't been much to marvel at for the past several years, so the selling point that he had going for him is gone. The dude lost a game to spite his boss. Who wants to take a chance on an above average coordinator with a big mouth and the mental makeup of a 17-year-old on roids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex is an ass. Straight up. It's one thing to strategically tank, it's another to lose because the coach wants to play petty politics with the GM. I really do wonder how many organizations are going to even bother with him after this year. His defenses haven't been much to marvel at for the past several years, so the selling point that he had going for him is gone. The dude lost a game to spite his boss. Who wants to take a chance on an above average coordinator with a big mouth and the mental makeup of a 17-year-old on roids? The high end for Rex is that he eventually gets back to what he's best at; coaching technique. He can still do that as a Defensive Coordinator. As HC he was asked to me COO of Jets operations and Peter Principle came into play. The low end is that he ends up more like Mike Singletary, who is only trusted as a positional coach (his brother might go that route as well). Either way I think he'll have a place in the NFL. But he really needs a year away from the game. I think most will eventually recognize it sucks coaching in NYC and will give him a chance as a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The high end for Rex is that he eventually gets back to what he's best at; coaching technique. He can still do that as a Defensive Coordinator. As HC he was asked to me COO of Jets operations and Peter Principle came into play. The low end is that he ends up more like Mike Singletary, who is only trusted as a positional coach (his brother might go that route as well). Either way I think he'll have a place in the NFL. But he really needs a year away from the game. I think most will eventually recognize it sucks coaching in NYC and will give him a chance as a DC. He is more than a position coach. He has proven that he is among the best at calling a game on D and game planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 You missed my sarcasm I caught it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 He is more than a position coach. He has proven that he is among the best at calling a game on D and game planning. on the surface I agree totally, but here is my take on Rexs D…he is kind of a dinosaur at a young age..his " exotic" blitzes and D in general would work for his dad and other coaches even 10 years ago let alone in 1985…you used to blitz all day and even if you didn't get sacks you pounded the QB after the throw that by time the 2nd half came he didn't want to stand in there anymore, you would beat him down mentally and pshyically…now the blitzer pulls up and doesn't touch the qb after he releases the ball, the game has changed even in the last 6 years since he's been a D coordinator ….im not sure he's not too stubborn to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 agree with you there i have never been a fan of tanking for draft position. i understand the argument for it, but i don't think a few spots matters much especially with this team's draft history and i think it does intangible harm to the team and its players, especially the young guys, to see an organization roll over rather than fight to the end. This draft matter's a hell of a lot for the Jets. If we land the #1 pick, we land Mariota and our chances of luring Harbaugh over to the Jets increases tenfold. Compared to if we draft at say #5, Tampa Bay picks up Mariota and were stuck in a situation that has us deciding whether or not risk a draft pick on Jamarcus Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 on the surface I agree totally, but here is my take on Rexs D…he is kind of a dinosaur at a young age..his " exotic" blitzes and D in general would work for his dad and other coaches even 10 years ago let alone in 1985…you used to blitz all day and even if you didn't get sacks you pounded the QB after the throw that by time the 2nd half came he didn't want to stand in there anymore, you would beat him down mentally and pshyically…now the blitzer pulls up and doesn't touch the qb after he releases the ball, the game has changed even in the last 6 years since he's been a D coordinator ….im not sure he's not too stubborn to adjust. Strongly disagree. What did he do last night? Did he blitz all night? Did he play man all day with the sh*tty corners he was provided? The Jets are finally doing something I think they should have done a long time ago, but they are doing a piss poor job of it. If I were a GM running the Jets I would spend heavy (money and draft picks) on O and force Rex to play the cards he has been dealt. The corners on this team are an abomination, but I am still okay with how the D have performed. The problem is that despite the investment the O is still a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex is an ass. Straight up. It's one thing to strategically tank, it's another to lose because the coach wants to play petty politics with the GM. I really do wonder how many organizations are going to even bother with him after this year. His defenses haven't been much to marvel at for the past several years, so the selling point that he had going for him is gone. The dude lost a game to spite his boss. Who wants to take a chance on an above average coordinator with a big mouth and the mental makeup of a 17-year-old on roids? Pretty much. Rex always fields a great defense, except when he doesn't; his players always play hard for him, except when they don't; and he can field a solid NFL offense, as long as he doesn't actually have to do anything. Throw in how likeable a guy he is when he's not sabatoging his own team out of spite, and I bet franchises will be banging down his door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex is an ass. Straight up. It's one thing to strategically tank, it's another to lose because the coach wants to play petty politics with the GM. I really do wonder how many organizations are going to even bother with him after this year. His defenses haven't been much to marvel at for the past several years, so the selling point that he had going for him is gone. The dude lost a game to spite his boss. Who wants to take a chance on an above average coordinator with a big mouth and the mental makeup of a 17-year-old on roids? I hate to break it to you, but the only thing that cost us the game yesterday was Geno's inability to throw the ball. You can hate the strategy all you want - fact is we had the ball with plenty of time + timeouts on the clock with the chance to win the game and the QB threw it away. Rex is to blame for a lot of things - yesterday's game plan, regardless of motives, isn't one of them. And f*ck any GM who tells the coach who to play - that's not how a team should be managed, so good for Rex for telling him to F off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Pretty much. Rex always fields a great defense, except when he doesn't; his players always play hard for him, except when they don't; and he can field a solid NFL offense, as long as he doesn't actually have to do anything. Throw in how likeable a guy he is when he's not sabatoging his own team out of spite, and I bet franchises will be banging down his door. If you are going to have a big mouth, back it up. If you are going to undermine your boss, you do it to make things better. And in the end if you are going to play dumb about all of it, don't do it with a smirk. All that's missing is Rex writing a public letter stating that he'll win a Super Bowl before the New York Jets ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 If you are going to have a big mouth, back it up. If you are going to undermine your boss, you do it to make things better. And in the end if you are going to play dumb about all of it, don't do it with a smirk. All that's missing is Rex writing a public letter stating that he'll win a Super Bowl before the New York Jets ever do. ... on a bar napkin, in shorthand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I hate to break it to you... Only thing I can think of when someone uses this phrase: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 All that's missing is Rex writing a public letter stating that he'll win a Super Bowl before the New York Jets ever do. And when he does, a sizeable portion of our fanbase will take a momentary break from wrangling carts at Target to ruefully shake their heads and say "he's right, you know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Rex is to blame for a lot of things - yesterday's game plan, regardless of motives, isn't one of them. I disagree. Under no circumstances should a 2-9 team be giving Jason Babin significant snaps while Ik Enemkpali sits there with his d*ck in his hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I hate to break it to you, but the only thing that cost us the game yesterday was Geno's inability to throw the ball. You can hate the strategy all you want - fact is we had the ball with plenty of time + timeouts on the clock with the chance to win the game and the QB threw it away. Rex is to blame for a lot of things - yesterday's game plan, regardless of motives, isn't one of them. And f*ck any GM who tells the coach who to play - that's not how a team should be managed, so good for Rex for telling him to F off. What you saw last night was Rex managing a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 And when he does, a sizeable portion of our fanbase will take a momentary break from wrangling carts at Target to ruefully shake their heads and say "he's right, you know." SOME PEOPLE GET PROMOTED YOU KNOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstreams Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The only losers in this pissing match between Rex and idzik is the fans and the players... Who cares who's right or wrong Fire the both of them now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 1. The young players aren't even getting a chance to play when they should be, because our HC needs to win rather than try to develop guys like Ik Enemkpali. 2. The players aren't going to roll over. And no one is asking them to. See point # 1. Play the young guys and operate with a gameplan that seeks to see what you have rather than win at all costs. Only Rex is keeping us from doing this. Let the YOUNG players fight to the finish rather than stupid Jason Babin and other guys who won't even be here in 2015. 3. If we clean house we need to treat our draft history like it's moot, because all the people associated with prior draft failures will be gone. And in any case, the best way to avoid draft mistakes is to have an earlier pick. Our biggest blunders occurred when we picked later in rounds because we gave 1st round grades to guys who shouldn't have been (Shonn Greene, Vlad Ducasse). We nailed it on Muhammad Wilkerson and we whiffed on Vernon Gholston and Dee Milliner, true. But there's a big difference between a mid-round pick and a top 5 pick. Maximize your odds of nailing the pick and get an elite talent. That's a good way to reduce your margin for error. It also can improve the quality of our later picks. You can acquire 1st round talent with the 3rd pick in the 2nd round if you're smart. really good post!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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