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Lil Woody    427
1 hour ago, Larz said:

yeah, its a sign when you to see QB needy teams at the draft pass on all the QB's.  Two of the teams that took QB's took them as 3 year projects. 

Its actually kind of a bummer, even if the jets plan works, they get the #1 pick with $80 mill in cap space, it could still be ANOTHER 3 years before they make serious noise.

As far as I can tell, the entire 17 QB draft class is backing up this year.  That could change in a month, but it could also be another Smith/Manuel/Glennon class

80M can buy a lot of JAGs to hold the fort with. Just need to have our 2 safeties, Shell, Jenkins, Mauldin, Burris and Stewart ALL pan out. With the 80 M you can buy a pretty good LT, C, ILB, WR, RB and still have more than enough to add some good complimentary pieces to help break in your new FQB.

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Lupz27    8,654
On 8/4/2017 at 1:05 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

We took sanchez high. We took Pennington in the 1st. We took Hack and Geno early in the 2nd. We've gambled on QBs, and failed. Mac is opting to get guys like Adams/Williams to anchor the defense and hope Hack develops and if not grab one of the higher graded QB prospects next year. 

The fact is that there were a few QBs taken early this year. What if Watson is a bust and Mahommes is a stud will you complain then? Should we have traded away our next 2 years worth of picks to draft Trubisky/Watson/Mahommes and Kizer? I am sure one of them will pan out, i am sure one will be a bust. Maybe 1 will be Ok. This year's crop of QBs was a total crapshoot. Taking Watson made a ton of sense for the Texans. They have a great defense, weapons on offense and are really  just a QB away from being really good. Watson is a winner and could be just good enough to carry them places. The Texans had no other viable option at QB heading into this year anyway. We aren't in the same spot as the Texans. 

Next years crop of QBs looks far more appealing. 

Nah Mahomes can't miss stud!  Rest crap shoot.

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Lupz27    8,654
On 8/4/2017 at 9:40 AM, MDL_JET said:

This is the dumbest thing to say in regards to a QB. If you love him you take him. Nobody is ever gonna say....yeah he's a great QB buttttt you did kinda reach picking him at 6.

I can see it now, Mahomes becoming Chiefs franchise QB and Mixon becoming the leagues best RB. Both of who could have been Jets.

But that Safety duo tho...

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Lupz27    8,654
On 8/4/2017 at 1:38 PM, BCJet said:

One of the least informed, non-factual posts ever.  The reason the class of 2018 is so hyped doesnt even have all that much to do with one particular player, its because there are 3 (or even 4) guys who MAY emerge as the #1 overall pick and have the physical ability to claim that draft spot.

Im sure you will tout years when guys like Matt Barkely or Teddy Bridgewater were "the next best thing" and they didnt pan out as top 3 picks, but that simply reinforces the argument against your position - those classes were so weak, that as soon as "the best" college QB was shown to not have the physical ability to be a top overall pick, there was no one left and teams were left sifting through 2nd tier prospects.

Guys like Matt Barkely, Bridgewater, Watson etc fall because they dont have elite arm strength and/or size.  Andrew Luck, Peyton, Elway etc all lived up to the hype because their physical ability was in line with their production. Elway had a cannon arm and was one of the best athletes to play the position well in the history of college football (see Yankees draft pick).  Peyton and Luck are a tier behind him in arm, but have elite physical size at over 6'4 and 230+lbs and played in pro systems.  That is why they wound up as "cant miss guys."  Even winston and mariota combined college production with elite physical skills - which is why they were the consensus 1 and 2 throughout the draft process.

Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Sam Darnold are all 6'4+ with the requisite arm strength to excel in the NFL. Will they remain injury free, have production this season and minimal red flags - who knows.  Could Rosen's attitude push him to the teens of the draft, yes.  Could Allen not get his comp % up to a high enough level, sure.  But to have 3 QBs with elite physical traits, all playing at a high level in college football in the same season, from offenses with pro concepts, is why this class is very rare and VERY legitimate.  One could falter, but its very doubtful that none of these guys wind up as a top 3 pick.

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

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Lupz27    8,654
On 8/5/2017 at 9:52 AM, jetspenguin said:

Only on a JETS message board would another's teams QB get a 6 page thread....smh

Sent From My Perch Above the SOJF's
 

And the very sad part is they are discussing the wrong QB that the Jets should have drafted at 6......SMH

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Lupz27    8,654
On 8/5/2017 at 1:42 PM, T0mShane said:

Can someone do a photoshop of Maccagnan standing next to Tom Savage with the headline "Jets sign Savage to 8 year, $260 million dollar contract" plz, except give Savage Neil O'Donnell's head. Thanks.

Replace Savage with Alex Smith, and you hit it on the head.

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Lupz27    8,654
19 hours ago, BCJet said:

Are people really complaining that we didnt get Mike Glennon  - Mike Glenon???????

Also, and not to bring up things that are actually happening, but Brock Osweiler outplayed Kizer yesterday, so lets relax on putting kizer in the HOF.

Yes our QB situation is bad, but the entire league passed on Dak, no one saw him being this good.  

Excuse me?

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4 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

and don't sleep on Mason Rudolph 6'5" 230, 63% completion rate, 4091 yards, 28 TD, only 4 Int

2018 could have 5 first round QB's

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NoBowles    1,105
44 minutes ago, AFJF said:

"Ryan Leaf didn't look at all like a rattled rookie in his NFL debut. Sure, the touted San Diego Chargers quarterback made some mistakes and still has a ways to go in adjusting to the faster pace of the pro game. But was he nervous? Nope. It's not in his playbook.

"He throws so accurately," coach Kevin Gilbride said. "Even though he was late a few times, he put it in position where the only one who could catch it was us. That was the most encouraging thing. I don't want to in any way, shape or form make it seem like he's where he needs to be. Still, he's able to make plays and that's what it comes down to. I thought he did that very, very well."

"It was just one game. But for Leaf, it was a much different outcome than Manning's first game as quarterback of the Indianapolis Colts. Manning looked more like a backup than the No. 1 draft pick. Leaf, the No. 2 draft pick, looked like he's ready to step right in."

So are you saying its a bit too early for all the victory laps from the Deshaun lovers? 

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AFJF    40,221
1 minute ago, NoBowles said:

So are you saying its a bit too early for all the victory laps from the Deshaun lovers? 

Oh, goodness no.  I always feel like the best time to define what a QB's legacy will be is after his head coach's first pre-season comments on how he's looked so far.

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Jet Nut    4,560
36 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Oh, goodness no.  I always feel like the best time to define what a QB's legacy will be is after his head coach's first pre-season comments on how he's looked so far.

Or off of reports written by the small time press who do nothing but shill teams and players in smaller, one paper markets.  You would never get the same type reporting we get about a Hack in Houston, KC etc

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thadude    877
5 hours ago, Lupz27 said:

You forgot Lamar Jackson who will be 2nd, or 3rd QB drafted.

Watch us end up with Jackson instead of Darnold or Allen because McClown wins a couple fluke games

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Lupz27    8,654
4 hours ago, BCJet said:

Yes?

Sift through the draft thread, I called the Dak Prescott greatness last February, just like I called the soon to be Pat Mahomes greatness last October.

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bitonti    36,751
1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Not hugely meaningful, but seems Watson played rather well in his Preseason debut.  Vs. backups and #3's of course.

 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726664-deshaun-watson-shines-vs-panthers-in-professional-debut-for-texans?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

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Obrien2Toon    2,511
10 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

Ok, but say we drafted Watson/ Mahomes.

We go 2-14, but they show promise.

Then we pass on Darnold/ Allen to see how they pan out, which will most likely be slightly above average at best and miss out on sure fire blue chippers.

I like Mac's plan

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bitonti    36,751
2 minutes ago, Obrien2Toon said:

Ok, but say we drafted Watson/ Mahomes.

We go 2-14, but they show promise.

Then we pass on Darnold/ Allen to see how they pan out, which will most likely be slightly above average at best and miss out on sure fire blue chippers.

I like Mac's plan

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

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NoBowles    1,105
11 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

I really like you bit, but you constantly show a complete lack of understanding of how the NFL works.

 

There is literally no way an NFL franchise would ever take a QB with a high first in back to back drafts.

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17 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

Let's ponder this scenario : Watson at Penn State and Hack at Clemson , do you think everyone would be calling Watson the gamer and Hack a bust still ???

People put too much emphasis on a player based on how good their surrounding team was. OMG Hack's a bust because his team was pure garbage, but Watson is the bomb because his team won the National championship.

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Obrien2Toon    2,511
5 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Disagree there's no reason the team could not have gone QB twice if the first crop looks awful . 

The rookie salaries have changed, Jamal Adams is making Josh McCown money this year and he'd be making the same if he was Watson.

And on a broader note this front office seems to have endless patience for these QBs that are awful. See what we have in Geno Smith? See what we have in Hack? No one else does that with 2nd rounders. No one else carries 4 QBs 

Stop shopping at Marshalls. Go to the damn tailor and buy a suit that fits for Christ's sake.  

But what if he wasn't awful, but he wasn't great either.

Theyd most likely wait to see how he turns out and pass on one of the top QB classes in 30 years 

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bitonti    36,751
34 minutes ago, NoBowles said:

I really like you bit, but you constantly show a complete lack of understanding of how the NFL works.

 

There is literally no way an NFL franchise would ever take a QB with a high first in back to back drafts.

no NFL franchise should carry 4 QBs on their active roster but the Jets did it last year. 

just because something hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can never happen. 

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bitonti    36,751
31 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Let's ponder this scenario : Watson at Penn State and Hack at Clemson , do you think everyone would be calling Watson the gamer and Hack a bust still ???

People put too much emphasis on a player based on how good their surrounding team was. OMG Hack's a bust because his team was pure garbage, but Watson is the bomb because his team won the National championship.

 

It's an interesting scenario and the answer is probably you are right. Hack at Clemson gets better protection etc. Maybe he doesn't get chewed up and spat out.

But we don't live in that alternate reality. We live in the world where Hack took too many sacks, still takes too many sacks and in other words is completely shell shocked. There's no amount of 1st team reps that will fix PTSD. He needs some drugs that aren't on the NFL's approved list maybe to clear his head and get reborn as a new person. the Hack that's out there right now holding the ball for 5 seconds, throwing 2 INT for every TD, that dude is going to get killed if he starts.  

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RutgersJetFan    84,001
1 hour ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans were fed this line about how the 2017 QBs were garbage. It wasn't true. Watson is a gamer everyone knew that much. He wasn't 1 overall perfect prospect like Darnold but he would have started for this team. Probably Mahomes too. 

no matter how good Adams and Maye turn out to be (and they both look great) the 2 safety picks was negligent management. It really was. "Seeing what we have" in Hack is the biggest load of garbage the Jets have ever tried to sell. And some fans bought it. 

If Watson was worth taking at 12 he sure as hell was worth taking at 6. Still not getting passing on him. 

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MDL_JET    5,451
2 hours ago, Warfish said:

Not hugely meaningful, but seems Watson played rather well in his Preseason debut.  Vs. backups and #3's of course.

 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726664-deshaun-watson-shines-vs-panthers-in-professional-debut-for-texans?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

Even if it was vs back ups and 3s and 4s, you could tell he's got something there. He showed pretty good pocket awareness and didn't force things when things broke down. He sailed a couple balls but overall he looked good. Have him throwing to Hopkins and not a swiss cheese oline like he was behind, things could be looking up for Houston. 

That's what I want to see from Hack or Petty. Doesn't matter who you're throwing to or who you're going against, just show us your a smart QB and make the right decisions. Not throwing into double coverage, taking sacks, etc. Let us pray.

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NoBowles    1,105
2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

For everyone claiming teams don't draft 2 QB's:  Ask the Redskins how dumb it was to draft 2 QB's.  They didn't just draft them back to back, they drafted them in the same bloody year.

And now they have an unquestionable #1 QB (albeit one they refuse to sign long term) and their hyped bust #1 is not in the NFL.

Had the Jets drafted Watson, there is no reason Hack had to be cut.  Hack/Watson/Petty would have been 100% fine, unless you're a pussy who can't handle not having some JAG old man on the team to "teach".

Had Watson showed promise, there is no reason a team as starved at QB as we are would be barred from drafting a Darnold if available.  It's 100% understandable for teams who haven't had a franchise QB for what, 40 years +, to keep trying to get one.  Above all else in a league like the modern NFL, QB is all that matters.

Instead, we drafted two....safeties.  Possibly great safeties, admittedly, but safeties do not win Super Bowls, QB's do.  We could have drafted 20 safeties, it wouldn't pay the dividends of finally finding a franchise QB.

Jets Fans, IMO, need to stop thinking like we're still living in 1985, where teams could only afford one top draft QB every 5 years, and QB's were coddled and "developed" for ages before being replaced.

I would have loved to see a Watson vs. Hack competition this fall.  Instead, we're probably starting McClown, and I just know this board will be full of people complaining "we don;t know what we have in hack yet, he must start in 2018" next year no matter who we draft.

And in 2018?  Watson vs. Darnold/Rosen vs. Hack/Petty?  God, I'm hard just thinking about that, a legit good number of possible guys who could be legit franchise QB's in that group.

And if two work out....oh, how horrible, now you have (like the Pats) an asset that everyone in the NFL wants, the overhyped backup QB.  So tough trading those, people were only throwing the farm at the Pats for their overhyped backup this last offseason.

 

 

Nobody is claiming you can't draft 2 QBs, the argument is you don't draft 2 in back to back drafts with a high 1, enormous difference 

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