ylekram Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 if your team is the unfortunate team to suck so bad,you come in last place(or fortunate enough to pick first, depending how you look at it) do you A. draft andrew luck with hopes he is the next peyton manning or B.try and trade him for a ricky williams type deal on the flipside, if you are a team needing a qb , do you attempt to make a trade for said qb and how much are you willing to fork over for luck. imo,i think all college qb's look good.with that said i am far from an expert in the field.if i was the first picker,i would definetely dangle the carrot discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 discuss Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 discuss I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I am far from an expert in the field.if i was the first picker,i would definetely dangle the carrot discuss Srrrrrrrrrffffflol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I don't deal unless there's a QB I like better in the draft or is available as part of the trade. Luck is supposed to be the greatest prospect in the history of the universe. Very few NFL GM's will have the balls to NOT draft him. Especially if their work so far has led them to the top pick in the draft. A regime that comes in after a house cleaning (like Miami) might, but they also need a QB badly. Unless a team like the Rams winds up with the first pick, I'll expect him to go to the team at #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 I don't deal unless there's a QB I like better in the draft or is available as part of the trade. Luck is supposed to be the greatest prospect in the history of the universe. Very few NFL GM's will have the balls to NOT draft him. Especially if their work so far has led them to the top pick in the draft. A regime that comes in after a house cleaning (like Miami) might, but they also need a QB badly. Unless a team like the Rams winds up with the first pick, I'll expect him to go to the team at #1. Plus one. The best teams have the best QBs. Or a Ryan brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Peter King has it that GMs put the price on the first overall pick this year at three #1's. Miami should seriously consider firing Sparano and hiring Herm right now to guarantee getting that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Peter King has it that GMs put the price on the first overall pick this year at three #1's. I kind of wonder what the new draft charts will look like under the new CBA. For years they used that old value chart until salaries started to get so ridiculous that the high draft picks began to lose value. Now they make so little compared to before that they should skyrocket up in value. That should not be Luck specific either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 does he get to wait to declare he is coming out until after the draft order is set ? even if he has to commit first and does, this kid is going to pull an elway if a super crappy team gets him but hey, we all know he's going to be a colt anyway, lets just give up the dream he's a ram and they trade us bradford for cro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 does he get to wait to declare he is coming out until after the draft order is set ? the declare by date is in January, so yes, he would know what team is #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 My dream scenario. Dolphins finish 0-16 and land the #2 pick behind the Colts, who draft Luck. Not that I want the Colts to have 'the next Peyton' so much, but that would be oodles of fun for us as compared to the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 My dream scenario. Dolphins finish 0-16 and land the #2 pick behind the Colts, who draft Luck. Not that I want the Colts to have 'the next Peyton' so much, but that would be oodles of fun for us as compared to the alternative. Schadenfreud. BTW didnt Phil Simms say Luck aint all that? I mean really....... Wouldnt it be even better if Miami drafted him and he is no better than Henne? Watched him in the USC overtime game. Looked good but I wasnt exactly thinking of Elway or Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 the biggest problem is that if the colts do get him. Him sitting behind manning will make the greatest qb of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 if your team is the unfortunate team to suck so bad,you come in last place(or fortunate enough to pick first, depending how you look at it) do you A. draft andrew luck with hopes he is the next peyton manning or B.try and trade him for a ricky williams type deal on the flipside, if you are a team needing a qb , do you attempt to make a trade for said qb and how much are you willing to fork over for luck. imo,i think all college qb's look good.with that said i am far from an expert in the field.if i was the first picker,i would definetely dangle the carrot discuss IMHO....if any team is in possession of the pick, they need to draft Luck. The Colts need him because as great as Peyton is, he is coming off three neck surgeries in the last 18 months. The Phins...Henne. And even teams that have an heir apparent more so the Rams & Jags than the Cardinals & Broncos, you draft Luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 colts don't deserve him... how insane would it be for 1 organization to land the top 2 QB prospects in the last 28 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Peter King has it that GMs put the price on the first overall pick this year at three #1's. Miami should seriously consider firing Sparano and hiring Herm right now to guarantee getting that pick. That was mean. Funny but mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 colts don't deserve him... how insane would it be for 1 organization to land the top 2 QB prospects in the last 28 years IMO, Luck wont go there. Manning is coming back and I believe Luck wants to play from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Peter King has it that GMs put the price on the first overall pick this year at three #1's. Miami should seriously consider firing Sparano and hiring Herm right now to guarantee getting that pick. Pretty sure Sparano is doing okay on that front all by himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 IMO, Luck wont go there. Manning is coming back and I believe Luck wants to play from day one. If the colts were smart, they'd trade Manning to a win now team like us for a huge bounty and start luck... manning will be 36 next year, and a year removed from football.. I don't know that I'd bet on him carrying that team anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 If the colts were smart, they'd trade Manning to a win now team like us for a huge bounty and start luck... manning will be 36 next year, and a year removed from football.. I don't know that I'd bet on him carrying that team anymore That'd be the way I'd go as well. They'd get a huge bounty and would still be able to have a Grade A QB prospect at the ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 If the colts were smart, they'd trade Manning to a win now team like us for a huge bounty and start luck... manning will be 36 next year, and a year removed from football.. I don't know that I'd bet on him carrying that team anymore Manning is the OC and HC. Caldwell would screw Luck all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 If the colts were smart, they'd trade Manning to a win now team like us for a huge bounty and start luck... manning will be 36 next year, and a year removed from football.. I don't know that I'd bet on him carrying that team anymore Manning just signed a new contract with a $ 48M signing bonus. The remainder of that SB would accelerate and hit the Colts cap in 2012 if they trade him. Then you have the issue with his salary and which teams can afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 colts don't deserve him... how insane would it be for 1 organization to land the top 2 QB prospects in the last 28 years Almost the top 3 if you include that they actually drafted Elway but couldn't get him signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Almost the top 3 if you include that they actually drafted Elway but couldn't get him signed. Holy crap, that's right. That would mean they've been in position to draft the 3 most coveted prospects of the last 40 years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Manning just signed a new contract with a $ 48M signing bonus. The remainder of that SB would accelerate and hit the Colts cap in 2012 if they trade him. Then you have the issue with his salary and which teams can afford him. Good point, didn't think of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollywood nosebleed Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Manning just signed a new contract with a $ 48M signing bonus. The remainder of that SB would accelerate and hit the Colts cap in 2012 if they trade him. Then you have the issue with his salary and which teams can afford him. Actually I'm pretty sure because of mannings neck they set the contract up so they can cut him after this year with no cap hit. Any other year it would be almost impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Holy crap, that's right. That would mean they've been in position to draft the 3 most coveted prospects of the last 40 years.. Sounds like conspiracy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Manning just signed a new contract with a $ 48M signing bonus. The remainder of that SB would accelerate and hit the Colts cap in 2012 if they trade him. Then you have the issue with his salary and which teams can afford him. Thats actually not true. Manning received a 20 million signing bonus and has an option bonus next year worth 28 million. The cap charge for cutting him or trading him before the pay date is 16 million. Last I heard they have around 110M in cap commitments for next year- 17M of which is Manning so they save a million in moving him. If they decide to go into rebuilding mode they absolutely can move him. A team receiving him only has to worry about his bonus in this upcoming year. His cap charges would be 13, 14, 15, and 16 million over the last 4 years of the deal in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Holy crap, that's right. That would mean they've been in position to draft the 3 most coveted prospects of the last 40 years.. Blame Joe Namath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Who cares? If Luck is drafted by an AFC team that just means that Sanchez is going to torch him for his entire career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Holy crap, that's right. That would mean they've been in position to draft the 3 most coveted prospects of the last 40 years.. And Jeff George. See what I did there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Redskins will somehow end up with him...bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 And Jeff George. See what I did there? Jeff george was hype though... the three biggest prospects that i remember in my life are elway, manning, luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 Jeff george was hype though... the three biggest prospects that i remember in my life are elway, manning, luck Yep, that's spot on. Vick, Testeverde, Aikman maybe next but I would consider them on the next (second) tier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryK Posted November 7, 2011 Share Posted November 7, 2011 The team that gets him will have no OL. That's why they sucked. If they're smart, they'll sideline him and suck AGAIN, to get the kid some protection. Otherwise he'll be shellshocked and injured beyond repair by year3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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