sourceworx Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 You don't fire a GM after only two seasons. Especially when you forced a head coach on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I could've picked 12 players in this draft and not have failed as miserably as IdZik did. Him and Rex both need to go. I love Rex and support him to the end but he's ran his course here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Who is giving player personnel advice? Bradway needs to go. And, Idzik's hand picked scouts showed jack $hit in this draft. Everybody needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That is how I read that too. Rex sounded like he had one foot out the door at his press conference Read that tweet again sentence by sentence and tell me how you came to that conclusion. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Blowing up everything including finally saying bye to guys like Bradway is the only way. Like, everybody. As in, every person in the building who doesn't wear a uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 12 different ones............... I would have preferred Benjamin ..........or packaged some picks and traded up for Watkins. Instead we picked 12 2 play 1 injured 1 on the practice squad 4 out of 12 Look on the bright side we have $28 million in cap money left............. The Jaguars have that much too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason423 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. Everything in this post is gospel truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If the Jets fire Izdk they may as well make Rex GM and hire Woodys cpa to manage the cap. No NFL GM worth a damn would take a job with Jets knowing that they will get fired before filling the HC position with their own person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If the Jets fire Izdk they may as well make Rex GM and hire Woodys cpa to manage the cap. No NFL GM worth a damn would take a job with Jets knowing that they will get fired before filling the HC position with their own person. It's a sad day when a Pasts fan makes infinitely more sense than the Wrecks 'dead-enders' on the forum do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridajet Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 That's an opinion beyond farce. Who would take this GM job with Rex attached now? We already scraped the bottom of the barrel to find one GM willing to take the job with Rex attached, but if we fire him after 2 years AND force the next GM to take Rex as well? There's nobody willing to take the job under those circumstances. We'd be a laughingstock beyond anything we've ever seen in the league. But hey, "boyitellya," and "I won't kiss Belichcik's rings" and stuff.. This is the only logical reason to fire Rex. But Idzik just has to go. So much for fans who taught he was a top notch player evaulaulator .imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. incredible post man, love your site too, always recommend it along with this one...Jason can nail the whole situation in a couple paragraphs while our " beat writers" play amateur comedians on twitter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This is the only logical reason to fire Rex. But Idzik just has to go. So much for fans who taught he was a top notch player evaulaulator .imho Firing him because he's an awful HC who only focuses on one side of the ball, whose teams routinely come into games unprepared and fosters a no-accountability, Club Med atmosphere also strike me as logical reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 So, in Woody 's infinite wisdom, and after years of overlapping parts of regimes in hopes of thinking he has found the next great, young coach... Like he did with Schotty... It turns out that Pettine was the guy. Lmfao. Because we kept Schotty, better coach candidates were passed on for Rex, who was happy to retain him if it meant he got the job. Because we kept Rex, we missed out on better GM candidates who didn't want to inherit him. This is a terribly crippling organizational philosophy, especially considering when you actually have a guy who is capable you let the dopes run him out if town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 So, in Woody 's infinite wisdom, and after years of overlapping parts of regimes in hopes of thinking he has found the next great, young coach... Like he did with Schotty... It turns out that Pettine was the guy. Lmfao. Because we kept Schotty, better coach candidates were passed on for Rex, who was happy to retain him if it meant he got the job. Because we kept Rex, we missed out on better GM candidates who didn't want to inherit him. This is a terribly crippling organizational philosophy, especially considering when you actually have a guy who is capable you let the dopes run him out if town. Know what is funny? Look at Rex's record with and without Pettine. Starting to wonder who the REAL defensive mastermind is...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. Frame this post on the main board and make everyone who electronically roams these halls read it with their hand over their heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 It's a sad day when a Pasts fan makes infinitely more sense than the Wrecks 'dead-enders' on the forum do. I follow the Yets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 So, in Woody 's infinite wisdom, and after years of overlapping parts of regimes in hopes of thinking he has found the next great, young coach... Like he did with Schotty... It turns out that Pettine was the guy. Lmfao. Because we kept Schotty, better coach candidates were passed on for Rex, who was happy to retain him if it meant he got the job. Because we kept Rex, we missed out on better GM candidates who didn't want to inherit him. This is a terribly crippling organizational philosophy, especially considering when you actually have a guy who is capable you let the dopes run him out if town. Know what is funny? Look at Rex's record with and without Pettine. Starting to wonder who the REAL defensive mastermind is...... Easy does it, guys. It's not starting to look like Pettine was THE guy. Cleveland hasn't beaten anyone that's terribly great this year, except for New Orleans. Also, their defense isn't even average. The grass is not always greener. It may be greener, but this is a little early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I agree with this post Rex Ryan is less at fault right now. Its Idziks creation he should be replaced at general manager. Rex Ryan can only coach this mess that Idzik left him with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Easy does it, guys. It's not starting to look like Pettine was THE guy. Cleveland hasn't beaten anyone that's terribly great this year, except for New Orleans. Also, their defense isn't even average. The grass is not always greener. It may be greener, but this is a little early. Pettine looks like he gets it. When I say "the" guy, I mean the guy/coach from out of nowhere that Woody seems to always be looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Pettine looks like he gets it. When I say "the" guy, I mean the guy/coach from out of nowhere that Woody seems to always be looking for.agreed, a " defensive genius " who's team scores 30 every week with a mediocre QB and no weapons ...sign me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj meadowlands Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Idzik isn't going anywhere. The "all options on the table" for him means that he can keep Rex or fire him, IMHO. Not that he could possibly be fired. Correct. This was misinterpreted by original poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Idzik blew the draft 12 players that could have changed this organization around this year instead we are 1-4 and the laughing stock of the NFL once again........ I was wondering when we are 1-6 after Thursday night against the Pats do we become MORE of a laughing stock?? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I don't understand what being "stuck with a coach" has to do with making poor decisions in the draft and FA. Am I crazy to think that they are NOT mutually exclusive? It's not like Idzik provided Rex with a great roster that he proceeded to underachieve with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I don't understand what being "stuck with a coach" has to do with making poor decisions in the draft and FA. Am I crazy to think that they are NOT mutually exclusive? It's not like Idzik provided Rex with a great roster that he proceeded to underachieve with. I am with you on this one. They are absolutely not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, I lean towards thinking the fact that Idzik was willing to take a GM job, where the owner is making the HC decision, and not him, is a major red flag right off the bat. I mean, if you are a good candidate, you don't want to go to a situation with a meddling, know nothing owner. I think that was Idziks first poor decision. From there, he has made tons of them. Getting a good deal for Revis, and getting Ivory were good moves. Drafting Richardson has been a good move to the extent that he is an excellent player, but all it did was add to an existing strength, and move Coples from his natural position. The rest of his moves have been questionable at best, horrid more likely. Drafting an injury prone CB at 9 is questionable at best. Drafting a safety with your 1st pick in a draft, when you have other glaring needs is plain stupid. Not having a backup plan for Geno, and no, Vick is not a backup plan, is idiotic. Not moving up to get a really good WR, while literally throwing away draft picks is moronic. His drafts have given us very little, and what it gave us was already a strength. His decisions have been awful. The guy has been really, really bad as GM his first two years. This does not absolve Rex one bit, he sucks a$$ as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This all goes back to Woody 2 years ago forcing the new GM prospects to keep Rex - chasing away nearly all the elite GM talent. Idzik will get his chance to hire his head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This all goes back to Woody 2 years ago forcing the new GM prospects to keep Rex - chasing away nearly all the elite GM talent. Idzik will get his chance to hire his head coach. Yup, it was an absolutely idiotic move, one that only the Jets and maybe the Raiders make. In other words, a typical Woody move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. Everything in this post is gospel truth. Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Geno Smith was broken when he arrived. That's why he fell from #1 overall pick to #39 second rounder. Cause he's a friggin disaster. I blame IDzik for drafting this terrible player, not Rex for not fixing him or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Geno Smith was broken when he arrived. That's why he fell from #1 overall pick to #39 second rounder. Cause he's a friggin disaster. I blame IDzik for drafting this terrible player, not Rex for not fixing him or whatever. True. But as with Sanchez, the HC has to sit such a guy and do what he can with the alternatives on hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 This thread just reinforces the disfunctional nature of the Jets organization. Idzik's job in the two years here have been about as awesome as the job Reggie McKenzie has done in Oakland and Dave Caldwell has done in Jacksonville. Its certainly fair to give Idzik another year just like McKenzie got and Caldwell will likely get, but those guys at least got clean slates when they began. It was their program from day 1. So you can give them a much better big picture evaluation. Idzik got stuck with Rex. Now the Jets are left with the decision of letting the guy who has not done anything to make you think he is going to build a winner pick the coach he should have been able to pick two years ago or firing him. If he hires the guy the Jets are right back to square 1 in that they waste another year and likely are stuck with a lame duck head coach with another GM set to take over. Not just that but Rex's track record had not been good with development of talent and you were moving to a period where the plan (or at least what Im assuming is the plan) was to develop young talent. At this point with a new coach the 2013 draft class is basically lost and the 2014 one might not be much better off. It's not easy for another guy to come in and fix issues from the prior regime. Mangini was able to get a pulse out or Bryan Thomas and some good times out of Cotchery, but others (Vilma, Coleman, etc...) pretty much saw their pinnacles with Herm for a variety of reasons. To expect someone new to come in and fix Geno Smith at this point is not realistic. Rex was never the guy to run this team at this juncture but the owner forced it and we wasted two years. Now you may waste a third by entrusting Idzik to do what he should have done two years ago. Its a Woody problem. Only he forces the head coach on a GM to limit his selection pool. Only he keeps old GMs with jobs within the organization for two GMs. Its his fault that this team has bascially wasted two years on a dud coach and possibly a dud GM and now its just going to be more of a mess in the future. Just one problem. Tom Donohoe picked Bill Cowher and yet Kevin Colbert inherited him and kept him for seven years and won a Superbowl with Roethlisberger. Rex isn't Cowher, but the conception that the keep the coach/fire the executive can't work, isn't grounded in proof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Steelers blogs are calling Colbert crazy too... Crazy for the worst start in 50 years. Do you think the Rooney's have any inclination of firing the guy? He hasn't missed on a first round draft pick, ever. Teams go through stuff and fan bases lose their minds no matter how decorated their trophy cases are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 idzik is safe. would be pretty crazy to can idzik when he only has gone through one draft (he was hired like a week before last draft, had really no choice but to basically trust prior regime's scouting) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 idzik is safe. would be pretty crazy to can idzik when he only has gone through one draft (he was hired like a week before last draft, had really no choice but to basically trust prior regime's scouting) The problem with this draft is that need absolutely missed his first round pick by a country mile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 idzik is safe. would be pretty crazy to can idzik when he only has gone through one draft (he was hired like a week before last draft, had really no choice but to basically trust prior regime's scouting) Idzik is safe, but the fact that he did better drafting with the prior regime's scouting might perhaps be a little ominous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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