I get trading Wilkerson in theory but...

[CrazyCarl40]

none of those players are half the player mo is

not even close

Leonard Williams could be. You can't afford to have two 15 million dollar players on defense. It isn't feasible. Mo is good. Real good. Not worth bringing back at his price point. Might as well get something for him to help build a stronger team, instead of having just one strong unit. Take his money and spread it around. 

[Larz]

1) How does that make the team better? When we traded John Abraham, we received a first round pick that we converted into Nick Mangold, who has arguably been a hall of famer. When we traded Revis, we parlayed that into Sheldon, the defensive rookie of the year who thereafter made the pro bowl. 

By trading Mo, we are going to get a high pick (or picks) to replenish this team's base of young talent. 

2) The huge hole will be filled by Richardson or Williams, both of whom were drafted higher than Wilkinson and had (arguably) better rookie seasons. 

any team trading for mo will have to sign him to a long term extension which hurts his trade value.  we may get mangold in return, we may get kyle wilson, don't try to act like picks are anything but a crap shoot

williams is a run stuffer and sheldumb is one bad idea away from a big vacation

how was the defense without revis ?  thanks for making my point, lol

[Larz]

Leonard Williams could be. You can't afford to have two 15 million dollar players on defense. It isn't feasible. Mo is good. Real good. Not worth bringing back at his price point. Might as well get something for him to help build a stronger team, instead of having just one strong unit. Take his money and spread it around. 

its his age tho.  if he was 30 and looking for his third deal I would be all for it.  you don't let your best player go for picks because you are over paying another guy by 50%

I'll admit I'm biased, and I want mo here forever.  He is the type of player I love, productive, durable, reliable, does the dirty work, never in the news for the wrong reasons, didn't hold out going into his last year, team leader and good guy

you just have to find ways to keep him around.  he is a 4 down player who can rush the passer. 

letting him go because you are overpaying revis and harris would be so jets

[CrazyCarl40]

its his age tho.  if he was 30 and looking for his third deal I would be all for it.  you don't let your best player go for picks because you are over paying another guy by 50%

I'll admit I'm biased, and I want mo here forever.  He is the type of player I love, productive, durable, reliable, does the dirty work, never in the news for the wrong reasons, didn't hold out going into his last year, team leader and good guy

you just have to find ways to keep him around.  he is a 4 down player who can rush the passer. 

letting him go because you are overpaying revis and harris would be so jets

He's really good. I'd like him to be a Jet forever as well, but that's not going to happen. The line is stacked, linebackers need an overhaul, and the secondary got a ton of money to be average last season. 

Harris and Revis were necessary. If you want to look at bad contracts that will result in Mo leaving, look at the offensive line, Buster Skrine, etc. 

[Larz]

He's really good. I'd like him to be a Jet forever as well, but that's not going to happen. The line is stacked, linebackers need an overhaul, and the secondary got a ton of money to be average last season. 

Harris and Revis were necessary. If you want to look at bad contracts that will result in Mo leaving, look at the offensive line, Buster Skrine, etc. 

you had to go and bring up skrine ?

that's low dude, real low

[Savage69]

any team trading for mo will have to sign him to a long term extension which hurts his trade value.  we may get mangold in return, we may get kyle wilson, don't try to act like picks are anything but a crap shoot

williams is a run stuffer and sheldumb is one bad idea away from a big vacation

how was the defense without revis ?  thanks for making my point, lol

Not if he is as great as you think he is..

[maury77]

any team trading for mo will have to sign him to a long term extension which hurts his trade value.  we may get mangold in return, we may get kyle wilson, don't try to act like picks are anything but a crap shoot

williams is a run stuffer and sheldumb is one bad idea away from a big vacation

how was the defense without revis ?  thanks for making my point, lol

Williams is a run stuffer? Did you realize that at one point of the season he was leading all rookies in Qb pressures? https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/18/pro-ranking-the-top-nfl-pass-rushers-this-season/

Williams had 3 sacks this year. http://www.nfl.com/player/leonardwilliams/2552486/profile

Guess who else had 3 sacks his rookie season? http://www.nfl.com/player/muhammadwilkerson/2495490/profile

When Revis left, who were the starting CBs? Bust Milliner and (bad) Cro. 

If Mo leaves, he is getting replaced by Sheldon and Williams. Major difference. 

Look, I love Mo, I really do. After Abraham, Vilma, Revis, etc., I really hate seeing our best players go. However, Mo is just not on that Von Miller/ JJ Watt level. There is nothing wrong with that, but if you want to get paid like those guys, you need to produce like them. And we don't need to over pay for him because of Williams and Sheldon. 

 

 

[cant wait]

I like conversing with you because you seem to be a reasonable person .

The way I look at it, if we cut ties with brick, it saves 10 mil on the cap while leaving us with a 5 mil cap hit if  cut before June 1st or  a 3.5 - 4 mil cap hit if cut afterwards . Mangold has an 8 mil cap hit with zero dead money left. Marshall has a 10 mil cap hit with zero dead money left . Kerley is a dead man walking likely gone after June 1st .  We will have plenty of cap space if we so choose . 

every year you scream about cutting brick, it's not gonna happen buddy

[j4jets]

 

Very clear language in the CBA.

 

Deals with personal conduct that embarrasses the league.

 

Comparing the situation to Brady is laughable.

 

He will be suspended 2-4 games.

 

 

I agree here. Brady didn't do anything that embarrassed the league. 

[j4jets]

I like conversing with you because you seem to be a reasonable person .

The way I look at it, if we cut ties with brick, it saves 10 mil on the cap while leaving us with a 5 mil cap hit if  cut before June 1st or  a 3.5 - 4 mil cap hit if cut afterwards . Mangold has an 8 mil cap hit with zero dead money left. Marshall has a 10 mil cap hit with zero dead money left . Kerley is a dead man walking likely gone after June 1st .  We will have plenty of cap space if we so choose . 

Brick isn't getting cut. We don't have a replacement. Neither are Marshall n Mangold. Brick will be approached for a paycut. Kerley is gone. It's not about throwing every dollar into 2017 by assigning post June cuts. We can simply give Mo a 5 year 100 mil deal and still have him count 3-4 mil against the cap in 2016. 5 years 65 mil, 10 mil signing bonus, 1 mil first year salary and that's $3 mil of first year cap charge. Just an example. It's not about 2016s cap. It's about managing it and we won't be in a great spot in 2017 either. So keeping him makes us weak in other departments when we have abundant talent in the DL.

We can trade him and pick up an OT with the pick and then cut Brick in 2017. That can help us with enormous amount of cap savings ($25+ mil) while filling the OT spot. That $25-30 mil can help us get 2-3 great starters on the team (besides the OT). 

Its not about Mo. It's about the entire team. If he takes a team friendly deal, great. But he's already established he's chasing the money. His injury may have hurt his trade value though, which sucks for us and him. 

[Raideraholic]

good teams keep their best players.  the market is what is is.  you pay mo and move on.  all this hand wringing about the cap is silly.  the cap always goes up and impact stars contracts always look bad the first 2 years, then they are at market, then a bargain

when you factor in age, mo is more valuable than marshall or revis, suh or any bills d-lineman.  the only defensive player more valuable is watt and he is an MVP type candidate

I can't believe anybody gives a rats ass what he gets paid.

pay the man and move on

Very good post, in ideal situation what you said is 100% correct.( team don't let their best player leave -pay Him)      The problem is the Jets invested too much in the defense line, ( can't afford to pay everyone , as you hurt other positions)

Here is the choices . They can sign Mo Wilkerson to a long term deal, and look to trade another defense lineman.( teams know that they have to move someone - lowering their offer for that player)

They can hit Mo Wilkerson with the franchise tag , and look to trade him. First by hitting him with the franchise tag they are guaranteeing  his contract for next year 13-16 million ( whatever source you believe)  .   What do the Jets do if they can't trade him( not as easy coming off the season he had( going to want even more money), how many teams are going to be willing to spend that much to sign , and give up picks too( draft picks are too valuable today) , when you have some top 3-4 defense ends in Fa( Malik Jackson , and Derek Wolfe- just have to pay).    Why would Wilkerson accept a trade to say Browns ( he wants some control where he goes- could sign the Tag right away ( take his thirteen million - sixteen million) and be locked into being a Jet for another year. ( do this again next year, and have control where he goes)

I didn't think the Jets were going to be able to trade Revis after they hit him with franchise tag. Some team was that dumb. That trade proved to be a disaster for the Buccanears.   ( you think that doesn't play into team mind set, when they are thinking about trading for Wilkerson.

[jack48]

Really? Drugs, minor, evading police, gun...

 

Am I not remembering right?

 

 

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Legal gun. Passed a drug test.  Don't know if he was running from police or stopped for driving fast.  The minor thing might be the problem.

[Barton]

Oh, so we should feel better about his idiocy?  Please. He is lucky there so far is no reliable on site drug test for cops that has been accepted by American courts yet.Cop has to get a court order for a blood tests, and they only do that in cases of accidents in most states. 

He's a stupid moron, but one that so far is a better pass rusher than Mo. That's really the choice. WIlkerson is a more solid citizen and all around DL guy, but he isn't as good a rush guy as Richardson. Though given that offsides last week it's not a gimme decision. It could go either way, but it will be either or, not both. 

Richardson might be faster than MO, but MO will play harder and get to the QB more often. And based on the last 3 years, the numbers dont lie.

Also, Richardson is very average vs the run while Mo is a force.

[Tinstar]

every year you scream about cutting brick, it's not gonna happen buddy

I'm a patient man .  I can wait. It makes no sense to have a Pass blocking LT who's losing his skills anyway and could never run block worth a darn on a power running team .  I can wait .

By the way I will never like Brick because IMO he got in the way of us drafting Jay Cutler .

 

[Tinstar]

Brick isn't getting cut. We don't have a replacement. Neither are Marshall n Mangold. Brick will be approached for a paycut. Kerley is gone. It's not about throwing every dollar into 2017 by assigning post June cuts. We can simply give Mo a 5 year 100 mil deal and still have him count 3-4 mil against the cap in 2016. 5 years 65 mil, 10 mil signing bonus, 1 mil first year salary and that's $3 mil of first year cap charge. Just an example. It's not about 2016s cap. It's about managing it and we won't be in a great spot in 2017 either. So keeping him makes us weak in other departments when we have abundant talent in the DL.

We can trade him and pick up an OT with the pick and then cut Brick in 2017. That can help us with enormous amount of cap savings ($25+ mil) while filling the OT spot. That $25-30 mil can help us get 2-3 great starters on the team (besides the OT). 

Its not about Mo. It's about the entire team. If he takes a team friendly deal, great. But he's already established he's chasing the money. His injury may have hurt his trade value though, which sucks for us and him. 

I wasn't advocating cutting Marshall, but his 10 mil cap hit should be redone taking the remaining money left and making it a signing bonus on a 4 yr deal .  If we have to keep Ferguson, so be it, but I would rather not extend his contract and add more money to it.  I would prefer to extend Marshall and let Brick finish out his existing contract if I have to watch him miss block after block yet again .

[prime21]

Who has d-line issues but good depth at the LB position?    QB's are hard to trade for so I am fine if we can trade Mo for a linebacker that can be paired with Harris.  

[#27TheDominator]

I wasn't advocating cutting Marshall, but his 10 mil cap hit should be redone taking the remaining money left and making it a signing bonus on a 4 yr deal .  If we have to keep Ferguson, so be it, but I would rather not extend his contract and add more money to it.  I would prefer to extend Marshall and let Brick finish out his existing contract if I have to watch him miss block after block yet again .

I don't think this is the time that you want to extend Marshall.  He just had a monster year and has been on his best behavior. They have him locked up for 2 more years with no dead money.  He is an older guy and has fallen out of favor with teams in the past. I wouldn't necessarily want to sign him through his age 35 season based on his 2015 productivity.

[whodeawhodat]

Trade Mo to the browns for Joe Thomas, cut brick. BOOM how much in cap space did i just save us to get an OLB pass rush specialist?  This GM gig is too easy...

[bitonti]

By the way I will never like Brick because IMO he got in the way of us drafting Jay Cutler . 

Did you by any chance happen to catch the career of Jay Cutler??

 

[KRL]

With the desperation going on up in BUF (Ryan hiring his brother and management
supposedly saying playoffs or else) I wouldn't be shocked if they give us an
excellent offer for Wilkerson.  Ryan wants to make a splash and save his job so
would you be surprised if he offers a #1 and more for his rights

[jetscrazey]

$14-15 million is just too much cap space for a player that can be replaced by Sheldon and Leonard Williams.  Let's trade Wilkerson, get a draft pick to get a RB, and sign a premium free agent at linebacker with that saved money.  That makes the Jets an overall better team.

[Beerfish]

I'm a patient man .  I can wait. It makes no sense to have a Pass blocking LT who's losing his skills anyway and could never run block worth a darn on a power running team .  I can wait .

By the way I will never like Brick because IMO he got in the way of us drafting Jay Cutler .

 

We are not and should not be a power running team.

 

Get rid of a good LT this year that has not missed a snap in 10 year.

 

100% have to draft a LT next year no matter what, even if there is no real good one.  This new LT might be a total friggin bust for all we know or might have to move to RT or guard.  Pure insanity to punt a quality LT  (he is no longer a pro bowler)

 

Why make a hole the size of a house in the team when you have a decent player there in the 1st place?  All I can say is that if they dump D'Brick because of his contract that better friggin well have a lock solid replacement at the ready.

[Jet Nut]

any team trading for mo will have to sign him to a long term extension which hurts his trade value.  we may get mangold in return, we may get kyle wilson, don't try to act like picks are anything but a crap shoot

williams is a run stuffer and sheldumb is one bad idea away from a big vacation

how was the defense without revis ?  thanks for making my point, lol

Everyone knows they will have to pay him.  If they want to trade for him it goes with the deal. 

We dont know that Williams is just a run stuffer.  Lots DL start their careers with low sack totals.  

[Beerfish]

Trade Mo to the browns for Joe Thomas, cut brick. BOOM how much in cap space did i just save us to get an OLB pass rush specialist?  This GM gig is too easy...

Browns gave up the 2nd most sacks this year and the MOST Qb hits this year.  I think people need to examine Thomas's play more closely before we get all giddy over him.

If you are going that route, Keep Dbrick, trade mo wilk and fill multiple holes.

[Tinstar]

 

Did you by any chance happen to catch the career of Jay Cutler??

 

2 kids born to the same woman who decides to give them up for adoption . One kid goes to a wealthy family who gives him the best of everything and caters to his every need .  The other kid goes to a poor family who makes him works hard teaches him humility and how to survive in the tough times .  Did it really matter that both kids were not raise by their birth mother  . 

Cutler's career is what it is, but could it have been different if he had stayed with Shanahan in Denver along with Marshall for the majority of his career . 

[Tinstar]

With the desperation going on up in BUF (Ryan hiring his brother and management
supposedly saying playoffs or else) I wouldn't be shocked if they give us an
excellent offer for Wilkerson.  Ryan wants to make a splash and save his job so
would you be surprised if he offers a #1 and more for his rights

Never going to happen .

[Tinstar]

We are not and should not be a power running team.

 

Get rid of a good LT this year that has not missed a snap in 10 year.

 

100% have to draft a LT next year no matter what, even if there is no real good one.  This new LT might be a total friggin bust for all we know or might have to move to RT or guard.  Pure insanity to punt a quality LT  (he is no longer a pro bowler)

 

Why make a hole the size of a house in the team when you have a decent player there in the 1st place?  All I can say is that if they dump D'Brick because of his contract that better friggin well have a lock solid replacement at the ready.

Any decision on Ferguson would have to wait until after free agency and the draft . Might even have to wait until June .

[whodeawhodat]

Browns gave up the 2nd most sacks this year and the MOST Qb hits this year.  I think people need to examine Thomas's play more closely before we get all giddy over him.

If you are going that route, Keep Dbrick, trade mo wilk and fill multiple holes.

Full disclosure, i havent watched 1 snap of Cleveland Browns football this year... Is that required of a GM?

[maury77]

With the desperation going on up in BUF (Ryan hiring his brother and management
supposedly saying playoffs or else) I wouldn't be shocked if they give us an
excellent offer for Wilkerson.  Ryan wants to make a splash and save his job so
would you be surprised if he offers a #1 and more for his rights

Trading him to a division rival is going to be hard to stomach ... I can't see it. 

[cant wait]

I'm a patient man .  I can wait. It makes no sense to have a Pass blocking LT who's losing his skills anyway and could never run block worth a darn on a power running team .  I can wait .

By the way I will never like Brick because IMO he got in the way of us drafting Jay Cutler .

 

it's okay I respect your opinion, I just think it's funny that every offseason I see you make the case for dumping brick haha. Cya on the draft board

[#27TheDominator]

Did you by any chance happen to catch the career of Jay Cutler??

He was saddled with those loser weapnz in Denver and Chicago and never had a stud offense featuring Chaz Schillens, David Nelson and Greg Salas!

2 kids born to the same woman who decides to give them up for adoption . One kid goes to a wealthy family who gives him the best of everything and caters to his every need .  The other kid goes to a poor family who makes him works hard teaches him humility and how to survive in the tough times .  Did it really matter that both kids were not raise by their birth mother  . 

Cutler's career is what it is, but could it have been different if he had stayed with Shanahan in Denver along with Marshall for the majority of his career . 

Full disclosure, i havent watched 1 snap of Cleveland Browns football this year... Is that required of a GM?

You didn't even watch the Jets opener?  For shame.  Didn't jump on the bandwagon until we looked like the wildcard?

[Beerfish]

With the desperation going on up in BUF (Ryan hiring his brother and management
supposedly saying playoffs or else) I wouldn't be shocked if they give us an
excellent offer for Wilkerson.  Ryan wants to make a splash and save his job so
would you be surprised if he offers a #1 and more for his rights

Teams just don't trade within the div for the most part which is too bad becasue I do think the Bills would be totally fleeceable in any trade whether it be mo or someone else.

[Savage69]

Everyone knows they will have to pay him.  If they want to trade for him it goes with the deal. 

We dont know that Williams is just a run stuffer.  Lots DL start their careers with low sack totals.  

True playing part time Coples had 10 sacks his first 2 years Mo had 8 playing full time in his first 2 years..

[Jet Nut]

True playing part time Coples had 10 sacks his first 2 years Mo had 8 playing full time in his first 2 years..

Richard Dent, M Strahan, J Taylor, Randle, Doleman.  Had slow starts too.  Bet most didnt play as well overall too.

[Savage69]

Richard Dent, M Strahan, J Taylor, Randle, Doleman.  Had slow starts too.  Bet most didnt play as well overall too.

You do realize I was agreeing with you right??