32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Where will we finding the money to pay our Rookies? We're - $ Really there are only 5 options. 1. Sign Mo to LT deal 2.Rescind the Franchise Tag 3.Cut Breno 4. Re-structure Marshall, Mangold 5. Drop Geno, Thomkins and 5 or 6 other replaceable players with cheaper draft picks/UDFA http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/ Any Ideas?? NEW YORK JETS CAP TOTALS Active Contracts: The sum of all active player cap figures $158,691,950 Top 51 Contracts:$146,841,950 Dead Cap:$7,382,734 Total (All):$166,074,684 Total (Top 51+Pool):$159,594,293 Total (Top 51):$154,224,684 Est. Cap Space (All):$-8,545,950 Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool):$-2,065,559 Est. Cap Space (Top 51):$3,304,050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Where will we finding the money to pay our Rookies? We're - $ Really there are only 5 options. 1. Sign Mo to LT deal 2.Rescind the Franchise Tag 3.Cut Breno 4. Re-structure Marshall, Mangold 5. Drop Geno, Thomkins and 5 or 6 other replaceable players with cheaper draft picks/UDFA http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/ Any Ideas?? NEW YORK JETS CAP TOTALS Active Contracts: The sum of all active player cap figures $158,691,950 Top 51 Contracts:$146,841,950 Dead Cap:$7,382,734 Total (All):$166,074,684 Total (Top 51+Pool):$159,594,293 Total (Top 51):$154,224,684 Est. Cap Space (All):$-8,545,950 Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool):$-2,065,559 Est. Cap Space (Top 51):$3,304,050 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 This is the key question right now with this team. I'm sure there will be a lot of restructuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Someone else gets paid to figure this out. I'm going to assume they'll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I think it's somewhat doable to squeeze under the cap. The rough estimate on Over the Cap was like $5.4m to sign rookies based on a pick in every round - but that gets offset by the guys they're replacing on the top 51 - the bottom of whom are probably around $450k each. So the net cost is roughly $2.2m if I'm doing the math right which they should be able to fit in the $3.3m of space. Barely. Signing Fitzpatrick is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 25 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Where will we finding the money to pay our Rookies? We're - $ Really there are only 5 options. 1. Sign Mo to LT deal 2.Rescind the Franchise Tag 3.Cut Breno 4. Re-structure Marshall, Mangold 5. Drop Geno, Thomkins and 5 or 6 other replaceable players with cheaper draft picks/UDFA http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/ Any Ideas?? NEW YORK JETS CAP TOTALS Active Contracts: The sum of all active player cap figures $158,691,950 Top 51 Contracts:$146,841,950 Dead Cap:$7,382,734 Total (All):$166,074,684 Total (Top 51+Pool):$159,594,293 Total (Top 51):$154,224,684 Est. Cap Space (All):$-8,545,950 Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool):$-2,065,559 Est. Cap Space (Top 51):$3,304,050 Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Bruce Harper said: Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? Unless the wrist was worse than we knew... 2 year of Revis at around $30 might be tough to swallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Sign Willkerson to a long term deal Cut Folk Cut Breno restructure Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? He will, but then he is for sure around for longer, as his dead money # goes up in 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Bruce Harper said: Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? You dont want to do that. If you ask Revis to restructure and he actually does it then you'll probably be attached to him for another season or two. Take the hit now and you could be done with Revis in 2017. Resinding Wilk's franchise tag would make all of this go away. No one wants him to walk, which is why we should have traded him last year, but I think the reason why we tagged him was because we thought we could trade him. That didnt work. Cut your losses (literally) and call it a lesson learned. Unless we can quickly set up an LLC in Deleware for Wilkerson then we can pay him the Vet minimum and funnel 18 million into his new "company"....since the NFL is allowing teams to do that now. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Dare I say: Ask Revis to restructure? Is that before or after he holds out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 19 hours ago, Tinstar said: Sign Willkerson to a long term deal Cut Folk Cut Breno restructure Marshall 1. They have tried that. Three consecutive offseasons. They may try again now that no one else is willing to give up anything of value for him. 2. Could be. Won't clear up that much in the short term, but long-term it clears up his $2.75M base salary (less the salary of his replacement). They just restructured him in September to convert most of his salary to signing bonus. Long term that's 6 in one half a dozen in the other, though: the same total amount comes off when the dust settles. 3. If they were going to do this before camp they'd have done it by now. They have until the end of August to do this, so I think they'll find temporary room elsewhere. If they do end up cutting him this summer, then the $5M extra they pushed to next year would be recouped by pushing Breno's unspent $5M to next year. Again, it's 6 in one and half dozen in the other (even though on the surface it will appear like they're "mortgaging their future"). 4. They could. Seems a shame to ruin his nice, low cap number next year, but this is what happens when we spend so much $ we didn't need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 From Over the cap.com : The Jets have used 156+ mil of their cap space with 151+ mil charged to the top 51 players on the roster not including draft picks . I believe Wilkerson and the bead money left against the cap for this coming season from players no longer on the team is included in this number . The Jets have about 3.34 mil in cap space available with draft picks and other free agents to sign . If we cut Breno and Folks after June 1st, we will have about 11+ mil in cap space to work with while needing to add a kicker and hoping that Qvale can assume the starting RT position . I personally see no way we can resign Fitzpatrick unless we either rescind the franchise tag on Wilkerson or get Marshall and Decker to restructure their current contracts in our favor. Just exactly how much do Both these players want their "friend" back behind center . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 18 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said: 1. They have tried that. Three consecutive offseasons. They may try again now that no one else is willing to give up anything of value for him. 2. Could be. Won't clear up that much in the short term, but long-term it clears up his $2.75M base salary (less the salary of his replacement). They just restructured him in September to convert most of his salary to signing bonus. Long term that's 6 in one half a dozen in the other, though: the same total amount comes off when the dust settles. 3. If they were going to do this before camp they'd have done it by now. They have until the end of August to do this, so I think they'll find temporary room elsewhere. If they do end up cutting him this summer, then the $5M extra they pushed to next year would be recouped by pushing Breno's unspent $5M to next year. Again, it's 6 in one and half dozen in the other (even though on the surface it will appear like they're "mortgaging their future"). 4. They could. Seems a shame to ruin his nice, low cap number next year, but this is what happens when we spend so much $ we didn't need to. 2. Cutting a Vet kicker like Folk for an UDFA from Duke is a risky play..... unless you plan on bringing back Bullock or some other FA. This one makes me more nervous than any of the other options. I think we could be in for a bunch of close games this yr. if Mo stays, the rooks contribute on D, the ST play becomes much better( punting in particular) and Geno doesn't throw 3 pick 6's/game! K is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: 2. Cutting a Vet kicker like Folk for an UDFA from Duke is a risky play..... unless you plan on bringing back Bullock or some other FA. This one makes me more nervous than any of the other options. I think we could be in for a bunch of close games this yr. if Mo stays, the rooks contribute on D, the ST play becomes much better( punting in particular) and Geno doesn't throw 3 pick 6's/game! K is important. It's important for a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 3 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: It's important for a contender. The "Great Penis" has lost his virility and potency I'm looking for the Jets to be in every game this yr. 9-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: The "Great Penis" has lost his virility and potency I'm looking for the Jets to be in every game this yr. 9-7 The great penis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: The great penis? Look at your avitar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said: You dont want to do that. If you ask Revis to restructure and he actually does it then you'll probably be attached to him for another season or two. Take the hit now and you could be done with Revis in 2017. Resinding Wilk's franchise tag would make all of this go away. No one wants him to walk, which is why we should have traded him last year, but I think the reason why we tagged him was because we thought we could trade him. That didnt work. Cut your losses (literally) and call it a lesson learned. Unless we can quickly set up an LLC in Deleware for Wilkerson then we can pay him the Vet minimum and funnel 18 million into his new "company"....since the NFL is allowing teams to do that now. lol. I know it's tough to take, but just accept that our best player isn't going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: It's important for a contender. And if we were sure he not only can kick but that he's still a consistent kicker or one who can kick it through the EZ anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Irish Jet said: I know it's tough to take, but just accept that our best player isn't going anywhere. lol Thats funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: And if we were sure he not only can kick but that he's still a consistent kicker or one who can kick it through the EZ anymore Touchbacks start at the 25 yard line this year, so meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 The team could cut Geno (adding $1MM in cap space), gently restructure Decker or Marshall and keep Wilkerson and try to work out a deal this year. No Fitz, no Geno. Just run Petty or Hackenberg at QB and expect them to be primarily a game manager. Continue to pay off the mistakes of the prior two front offices. Alternatively we dump Wilkerson which allows us the cash to sign Fitz, if necessary. If we run with a rookie QB--or even Geno--then we have to have a solid kicker to put points on the board. No way we let go of Folk with Petty/Hackenberg/Geno at QB. Breno could be cut if the coaching staff believes there is somebody cheaper on the roster that fills the void. Not too confident that is true. These are just possible scenarios, not what I think is probable or desirable. I don't think we see anything happen until the last possible second. The coaches are going to want to look at the DL and QB positions and see what we need. If the coaches feel we're good at QB without Fitz and DL without Wilkerson then both players are out. There is OTA plus a little training camp before the decisions have to be made. The longer the contract negotiations go on and the more it looks like either player may not have a contract before the beginning of the season the more desperate they may be to take a lower number. Whatever is leftover will pay all the other needs. I've long held the position that Geno is definitely on this team for 2016 because he's on the end of his rookie contract. I don't know that is true anymore. If Fitz or another vet is signed then there is no way we go into the season with four QBs and no way we let go of one of our two recent draft picks to keep Geno. I certainly see a scenario where we keep Geno and eat the $1MM we could save by cutting him to get the comp picks next year. (Even with Geno on the roster I am not confident he is the starter.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said: 1. They have tried that. Three consecutive offseasons. They may try again now that no one else is willing to give up anything of value for him. 2. Could be. Won't clear up that much in the short term, but long-term it clears up his $2.75M base salary. They just restructured him in September to convert most of his salary to signing bonus. Long term that's 6 in one half a dozen in the other, though: the same total amount comes off when the dust settles. 3. If they were going to do this before camp they'd have done it by now. They have until the end of August to do this, so I think they'll find temporary room elsewhere. If they do end up cutting him this summer, then the $5M extra they pushed to next year would be recouped by pushing Breno's unspent $5M to next year. Again, it's 6 in one and half dozen in the other. 4. They could. Seems a shame to ruin his nice, low cap number next year, but this is what happens when we spend so much $ we didn't need to. I thought they were selling him for two of those offseasons? Boy, that story changed quickly. ---- I think they extend Wilkerson and we get a "surprise" restructure from Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Touchbacks start at the 25 yard line this year, so meh. True, forgot, thanks. But still Folks consistency was starting to fade and we don't know what his recovery has been like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: Where will we finding the money to pay our Rookies? We're - $ Really there are only 5 options. 1. Sign Mo to LT deal 2.Rescind the Franchise Tag 3.Cut Breno 4. Re-structure Marshall, Mangold 5. Drop Geno, Thomkins and 5 or 6 other replaceable players with cheaper draft picks/UDFA http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/cap/ Any Ideas?? NEW YORK JETS CAP TOTALS Active Contracts: The sum of all active player cap figures $158,691,950 Top 51 Contracts:$146,841,950 Dead Cap:$7,382,734 Total (All):$166,074,684 Total (Top 51+Pool):$159,594,293 Total (Top 51):$154,224,684 Est. Cap Space (All):$-8,545,950 Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool):$-2,065,559 Est. Cap Space (Top 51):$3,304,050 Cut Geno? And go with Petty and Hack? Not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, SenorGato said: I thought they were selling him for two of those offseasons? Boy, that story changed quickly. ---- I think they extend Wilkerson and we get a "surprise" restructure from Revis. Seriously? They first tried to sign him, and when they were unsuccessful, they then tried selling him. This is hardly contradictory. Except maybe on your home planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 2 hours ago, derp said: I think it's somewhat doable to squeeze under the cap. The rough estimate on Over the Cap was like $5.4m to sign rookies based on a pick in every round - but that gets offset by the guys they're replacing on the top 51 - the bottom of whom are probably around $450k each. So the net cost is roughly $2.2m if I'm doing the math right which they should be able to fit in the $3.3m of space. Barely. Signing Fitzpatrick is another matter. Bingo. Not sure why people can't use logic. We need to look at the salary cap for the top 44 players right now then squeeze in the 7 draft picks, give or take a mil. There's really nothing to see here. The only question is, do we wanna go into the season with half a mil of cap space left over? I doubt that. We may restructure Marshall or Mangold to push a few mils down the road for breathing room. However, this whole cap situation doesn't free the blame off Mac for the mismanagement. How does a GM go from 50 mil in cap space one year to trying to squeeze a few mil the next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: True, forgot, thanks. But still Folks consistency was starting to fade and we don't know what his recovery has been like. I like Folk just fine. I don't think we save very much by cutting him, unless he's replaced with a rookie or a vet minimum player. Whenever people talk of cutting this or that player, particularly ones who aren't mega-expensive, they always seem to forget the salary cap counts the top 51 after he's gone, not just the remaining top 50. Next in line moves up one slot, and even that's only if he's replaced by nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Giaocomini better put up his house for sale right now, he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 26 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: Seriously? They first tried to sign him, and when they were unsuccessful, they then tried selling him. This is hardly contradictory. Except maybe on your home planet. So they'd approach him, be turned down, and *then* the desperate attempts to sell him occurred? Makes sense, I'm just trying to make sense of it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 37 minutes ago, Maxman said: Est. Cap Space (Top 51+Pool):$-2,065,559 Did you guys read this? Unless Sportrac is off on something, wouldn't this -$2m be the issue we're trying to resolve? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, Maxman said: Cut Geno? And go with Petty and Hack? Not going to happen. Only if Fitz gets signed.... should have posted that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Cutting Geno makes no sense he's the best QB on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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