Is Geno a leader?

[ljr]

The answer is clear & away - NO!

 

can he improve on the level he's at now? Possibly but unlikely to be a drastic change.

however if leader is London then Geno is Tokyo

that's a d*mn far distance he's going to have to travel ... & I ain't, for f*cks sake, getting on that flight !

[BowlesMovement]

6 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

so when Namath says he had no clue how to lead when he was young, had to learn and take control of the himself and the team, he has no clue what he's talking about? .  

Not knowing how to lead and not having the ability to lead are completely different.

[Smashmouth]

10 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Yes. 

 

Singletary asked Davis to "hit the showers" in the middle of a game, then proceeded to rip him a new one in front of the press....during an interview. 

 

All we've seen from the front office, coaches and players in respect to Geno Smith is this:

Macc:

 

Jets GM says he's 'excited to see' what Geno Smith can do if he's starting QB

By Jared Dubin | Staff Writer

May 3, 2016 8:46 am ET

Are you familiar with the saying, "If you have two quarterbacks, you don't have one?" Well, the New York Jets have three quarterbacks, and they're hoping to have four. Do with that what you will.

The Jets have spent the entire offseason dancing around Ryan Fitzpatrick, each hoping the other side will blink in their standstill negotiations. Fitzpatrick put up far better numbers last season than he had over the rest of his career and reportedly wants to be paid in accordance with those numbers, while the Jets want to pay him like last season was an outlier for a joureyman QB that had never previously been more than a below-average starter. And so Fitz has sat on the open market while the Jets spent the offseason withGeno Smith and Bryce Petty as the only quarterbacks on the roster.

Then last week's draft came around, and the Jets added former Penn State passer Christian Hackenberg to the mix. They used their second-round pick on Hackenberg, something teams don't normally do unless that at least view the player as a potential starter. The last second-round pick the Jets spent on a quarterback was on Smith, who wound up starting during his first season as a result of an injury to Mark Sanchez.

Smith started for the team in 2013 and 2014, and entered last offseason as the probable starter yet again, but a punch to the jaw from IK Enemkpali thrust Fitzpatrick into the lineup. He never relinquished the spot, even after Smith returned to the field.

The Jets have spent the entire offseason expressin their wish to bring Fitzpatrick back into the fold, even while refusing to meet his contract demands. Everyone from the coach to the owner to several players has stated they want him back. Add that to the fact that the Jets have drafted a quarterback each of the last two years and it doesn't seem like the have all that much confidence in the idea of "Geno Smith, starting quarterback."

But general manager Mike Maccagnan went on The Michael Kay Show on Monday and stated that he's "excited" to see what Geno can do if he's the starter this season.

“Going forward, you always have contingency plans,” Maccagnan said, per Newsday. “In the NFL, it's kind of like playing chess. At some point in time, you get down to where you run out of moves. We're not at that stage yet.

“Right now, Geno has been a starter for us, and actually played quite well prior to getting hurt last year, and was doing a good job in the offseason. So we're kind of excited to see what Geno can do, coming back. And we feel good about that.”

Smith was the Jets' starter for 29 games across the 2013 and 2014 seasons -- we have a general idea of what he can do. He completed 57.5 percent of his passes at 6.9 yards per attempt while throwing 25 touchdowns against 34 interceptions. New York went 11-18 in those games. That performance is likely what led the Jets to select a QB in the middle rounds of the 2015 draft, hoping to develop him into a potential starter. (The wisdom of that particular strategy notwithstanding.)

Geno Smith got a vote of confidence from his GM. (USATSI)

It also likely factored into the decision to take another QB in the second round just three years after selecting Smith there. So even if Maccagnan is publicly expressed confidence in his ability to be the starter, his actions tell another story. He's spent a bunch of his draft capital on quarterbacks during his two seasons as GM. That's not something you do if you're that confident in the ability of a 25-year old quarterback.

Then again, Maccagnan doesn't seem all that eager to have Hackenberg start right away, either. “With any player coming into the league, it is definitely a maturation process and it doesn't matter, again, what position you play,” Maccagnan said. “I think quarterback is probably one of the harder positions to transition into the NFL. I know there's always a desire to have them go out there and play right away. The reality is, though, that it's going to be determined by how he does.

“And I think, my personal opinion is, we'll see where he's at and how he is in terms of assimilating into our offense and our system . . . Some quarterbacks come in and play right away and some do well and some struggle and they go through growing pains.”

Topics: Bryce Petty, Geno Smith, IK Enemkpali, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Fitzpatrick, New York Jets, NFL

 

OC:

We already know what Chan said about Geno. 

 

Todd Bowles:

Todd Bowles: Geno Smith has learned from IK Enemkpali incident

Updated March 23, 2016 9:38 AM
By Kimberley A. Martin  kimberley.martin@newsday.com 

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Geno Smith #7 of the New York Jets looks on in the first half against the Philadelphia Eagles at MetLife Stadium on Sunday, Sep. 27, 2015 in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Photo Credit: Jim McIsaac

BOCA RATON, Fla. — “The Punch” may have cost Geno Smith his starting job, but Jets coach Todd Bowles said it also provided the young quarterback with an opportunity to prove his mental toughness.

“He always worked hard,” Bowles said yesterday morning at the AFC coaches breakfast at the annual NFL owners meetings. “But he kept his head down and kept working and he moved on. And that’s tough to do. That’s tough to do.”

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Smith was the team’s No. 1 quarterback before a training-camp altercation changed the course of his career and the franchise. Then-teammate Ikemefuna Enemkpali was kicked off the team on Aug. 11 after punching Smith in the face in the Jets’ locker room over an unpaid $600 debt.

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A healthy Smith returned to the practice field a month later following jaw surgery, but by then the Jets had put their trust in his backup, Ryan Fitzpatrick.

But if the 33-year-old free-agent quarterback doesn’t re-sign with the team, Bowles said Smith and third-stringer Bryce Petty “could be an option.” The coach also noted Smith, 25, has matured quite a bit since the incident, adding: “I think he handles situations differently than I saw him earlier in the year.”

So what more does the former 2013 second-round pick have to do to become a starting quarterback again?

“He just has to stay the path and keep doing what he’s doing,” Bowles said. “ . . . I think he just has to get an opportunity.”

Asked how “The Punch” affected Smith, Bowles said: “You learn from your mistakes, as we all do. …There’s a lot of people that could destroy your team after going through something like that, but he was a team player, he showed up on time <<<<<for you @BowlesMovement he worked hard and he kept his head down. And I respect him for that.”

Questioned further, the coach later clarified his word choice.

Said Bowles: “Maybe ‘mistake’ was a bad word. “It was an experience and you learn from your experience.”

 

Calvin Pryor:

Calvin Pryor tweets support for Geno Smith as Jets quarterback

 

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There is still plenty of time for the Jets to work out a deal to keep free-agent quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. But in the event they can't, Geno Smith has been floated as a possible starting option by head coach Todd Bowles.

Safety Calvin Pryor—who's never afraid to speak his mind—would have no problem with that:

 

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I like bruh to put up great #'s this year @GenoSmith7

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Pryor also had a reply at the ready in case anyone thought he was subtweeting a diss at Fitzpatrick:

29 Mar

#JagNation ‎@DezGOATjames

@star_island25 damn throwing shade at fitz

 

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✔‎@star_island25

@DezGOATjames I would love to resign fitz...great for our locker room, vet, & knows the system. Big fan of fitz so no shade at all

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Why does Pryor think Smith can do well if he becomes the starter again? 

 

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✔‎@star_island25

Bro has great weapons around him...no way he shouldn't prosper in this offense. Confidence is 

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This is certainly an interesting point. During Smith's rookie year, his top two receiving targets were Jeremy Kerley and David Nelson. Both have since been cut by the Jets; Nelson was gone in the middle of the following season, and Kerley basically spent 2015 as the Jets' No. 4 or No. 5 receiver.

In his second season, Smith had Eric Decker, but Decker was hampered a hamstring injury for a significant portion of the year. When Decker was either out or hindered, it was a bit of a problem for the Jets' passing game, which produced no other receivers with more than 38 catches.

 

 

 

First off Mike Singletary is an idiot and is no longer a HC in the NFL. Second my point was about players and coaches bashing other players. So why did you waste you're time with this crap ? If a player like say Calvin Pryor is asked about Geno Smith did you think he would say Geno Sucks ? Look at what he said about Fitz Great locker room knows system Vet ... Then Geno ... NO Reason he cant succeed . Which is the better endorsement ? Also if he's comparing the 2 hes obviously telling you Fitz is the bettr locker room presence knows the offense better and is a better leader. Once again NO PLAYER in the NFL (barring some real Idiots) is going to come out and bash a teammate so Im not sure what you';re expecting when players are asked about Geno. They (just like us ) know he has potential but they also know his stats are horrid they are not stupid.

[Smashmouth]

10 hours ago, Jetscode1 said:

Really?  Get over yourself.  I'm not saying Geno's a leader.  I'm saying leadership is a learned trait and hopefully his selfish behavior last year taught him something that may see him improve in this category.  For all the indignation, he's still a young dude who put himself above the team.  Personally, I've seen many a young person lose sight of this but eventually learn service before self.  Stop condemning his actions as the sum of all his worth and at least acknowledge he can overcome this.     

sorry JC but when you play the most important leadership role in the sport QB there is no room for childish stupidity. The blueprint for success is out there and these kids know it. Geno has failed in this department in a big way by his actions on and off the field as if he's proven something he's not come close to doing. I don't like Geno for more reasons than his play he carries himself like an arrogant schmuck and I really do not think he puts in the work. If you need to be taught how to act like a freakin man with multiple millions on the line then you arte either a total idiot or just don't Give a sh*t and feel everything should be handed to you.

Get over myself ? What the hell does that have to do with this ?

[NYs Stepchild]

8 hours ago, detectivekimble said:

 

Yes, because we've never seen anonymous quotes before.  Of course you'd see some actual ******* quotes stating that.  You can't show me ONE quote from a player or someone in the community saying that Geno Smith is an a&#036;&#036;hole.  We've seen those types of things about guys like Ben Roethlisberger, Jay Cutler, etc.  But people are afraid to say something about Geno Smith?  Give me a ******* break.

And no, an isolated incident in which a guy with a violent criminal history hit Geno Smith in the face hasn't convinced me that Geno Smith is a total a&#036;&#036;hole.  Sorry.  And the word out of Florham Park is that he's a good soldier in the locker room.  

A QB is not supposed to be a good soldier. He should be a leader. If Geno had more confidence I think he'd actually be a good QB. 

[NYs Stepchild]

7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

so when Namath says he had no clue how to lead when he was young, had to learn and take control of the himself and the team, he has no clue what he's talking about? .  

Listen the guy was a leader. He just didn't know how to do it. Guys were still following Joe. He just wasn't going anywhere productive.

You have to both be a leader then actually lead. If you have no confidence in yourself no one will follow you anywhere. 

[Raideraholic]

7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

so when Namath says he had no clue how to lead when he was young, had to learn and take control of the himself and the team, he has no clue what he's talking about? .  

The man who famous for I want to kiss you Suzie, how serious can you take anything he says seriously.

For all the talent Namath had, he didn't exactly have the career worthy of his ability. Maybe if he was a true leader that wasn't consumed with himself first, his teams would have won more games.

[ZachEY]

Can anyone provide a list of young players who have generally failed on the field but are held in high regard for their leadership?

[Shadetree]

11 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

How does that work? 

I've never been able to support something that I didnt have faith in. If I ever said it, I was must have been lying obviously.

 

Just say you'll support the team. Thats what I did last year. 

That's exactly what I'm saying. I support the team. 

I don't have faith in Genos ability as a player or a leader, but if the CS feels he is the teams best option, I'll have no choice but to support that decision. 

Theres not a Geno hater here that will say, come September, "no, I'm not gonna watch because I disagree with the CS decision to start Geno."

[Jetster]

31 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Listen the guy was a leader. He just didn't know how to do it. Guys were still following Joe. He just wasn't going anywhere productive.

You have to both be a leader then actually lead. If you have no confidence in yourself no one will follow you anywhere. 

CONFIDENCE. That's what you need to succeed in the NFL. They all come in with talent, you wouldn't be drafted without it. That's why you have to be careful about throwing these young guys into the fire at QB. Troy Aikman, Payton Manning, Andrew Luck, they all threw tons of picks & made stupid plays in their rookie years. But they were also surrounded by very talented skill players. Go back & look at these Guys RBs, WRs, TEs,! Some of them HOFamers. 

Im not even remotely saying Geno can be as good as any of these QBs, what I'm saying is none of those guys are getting to the playoffs throwing to David Nelson, Clyde Gates, Stephen Hill, Jeff Cumberland, Jeremy Kerley, Greg Salas & the like.

No Emmitt Smiths, Marshall Faulks, Michael Irvins, Jay Novacek, Dallas Clark, Alvin Harper, Moose Johnson, Marvin Harrison, Pierre Garçon, Edgerinn James, Reggie Wayne, TY Hiltons.

Archie Manning was a great LEADER, what the hell did he ever win playing with scrubs? You can't win without talent in this league or unless your cheating (see NE Patriots). 

[Villain The Foe]

3 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

First off Mike Singletary is an idiot and is no longer a HC in the NFL. Second my point was about players and coaches bashing other players. So why did you waste you're time with this crap ? If a player like say Calvin Pryor is asked about Geno Smith did you think he would say Geno Sucks ? Look at what he said about Fitz Great locker room knows system Vet ... Then Geno ... NO Reason he cant succeed . Which is the better endorsement ? Also if he's comparing the 2 hes obviously telling you Fitz is the bettr locker room presence knows the offense better and is a better leader. Once again NO PLAYER in the NFL (barring some real Idiots) is going to come out and bash a teammate so Im not sure what you';re expecting when players are asked about Geno. They (just like us ) know he has potential but they also know his stats are horrid they are not stupid.

I stopped reading after the bolded. Ad hominem attacks immediately shows that you cant handle this conversation or deal with the facts. 

This type of talk is what got those group of Jets fans cursed out by Geno Smith. 

[Tinstar]

I find myself unable to answer the OPs question based on the limited information I have regarding the person that is being probed .

That is all .

[Mainejet]

17 hours ago, LIJetsFan said:

I want...I want....I want....geez enough already with you cry babies.   If you have an available QB in mind, please make the case for him and stop whining simply about what you want when there is nothing available to satisfy that want.  No one ever said the NFL was going to be easy.  Be concrete or be quiet!   

WTF are you talking about? Listen. if you want to go have Geno's babies be my guest. You can stroke the a$$hole all the live long day as far as I am concerned.

Our current leader (and he is a true leader in every sense of the word) is Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's not the most athletically gifted, but the whole package is MILES better than that POS Geno. 

[LIJetsFan]

21 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

WTF are you talking about? Listen. if you want to go have Geno's babies be my guest. You can stroke the a$$hole all the live long day as far as I am concerned.

Our current leader (and he is a true leader in every sense of the word) is Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's not the most athletically gifted, but the whole package is MILES better than that POS Geno. 

so...your first paragraph...you are really behaving badly my friend....this sort of thing in never called for.  

so...your 2nd paragraph.....FO thinks he's only 7m better.  You disagree I suppose....what's your bottom line on his worth?

Me personally I'd like to see a QB under center that can use our new weapons like D. Smith and Peake to best advantage.  You know, so opposing D's can't stack the box.    

 

ps: in your post that I quoted you were talking about wanting a franchise QB.  We all know Fitz ain't that!

[Smashmouth]

1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said:

I stopped reading after the bolded. Ad hominem attacks immediately shows that you cant handle this conversation or deal with the facts. 

This type of talk is what got those group of Jets fans cursed out by Geno Smith. 

LOL you stopped reading because I called Singletary and Idiot ? Did you look and listen to some of the things Singletary did during his time as a coach ?? Did you ever wonder why (before using him as an example) he has not had another HC job ??

Here you are admitting Geno is a moron because he actually addressed a bunch of heckling fans ??? Are you serious ? Class athletes take their lumps by the fans and do not get into shouting matches with them. Idiots like Geno fight back thinking they are accomplishing something. Maybe play better and work harder and stop being an arrogant fcuk would help Geno.

Villain In all honesty I hope Geno turns himself and his attitude around, he may (for all we know ) have already started....If.that's the case I hope he turns his career around for the better. Too many Jets fans have seen QB's like Sanchez get way to many chances and while I myself think he was handled dreadfully wrong he ALWAYS played with class and acted like a professional give or take a hot dog or 2  . The only reason I'm not so willing to give Geno the benefit of the doubt is because of his actions more than his playing style.

[BRONX DUDE]

You ever look into Geno's eyes over the past three years?  He ain't a leader. Next.

[Smashmouth]

3 hours ago, gEYno said:

Can anyone provide a list of young players who have generally failed on the field but are held in high regard for their leadership?

The answer is not very many . What's worse is when they play bad, show zero leadership, and act arrogant as if they are some fantastic athlete.

[BowlesMovement]

3 hours ago, gEYno said:

Can anyone provide a list of young players who have generally failed on the field but are held in high regard for their leadership?

Can you provide a list of tea prices in China first please?

[Matt39]

15 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

#bullsh*t. 

Nice try with the "patting yourself on the back" because you own a business.

Everyone is a leader, everyone's idea of what a leader is...is whats different. 

He definitely didnt build that business either. 

[Ex-Rex]

19 hours ago, Mainejet said:

The answer is NO. And truthfully, if every Jets fan is being honest with themselves then there wouldn't be any argument about Geno. Getting popped in the jaw because you chose to stiff a guy over a measly $600, illustrates his immaturity and total lack of respect and leadership skills. It is the very incident (above and beyond his truly BAD play) that PROVES he is not a leader. It also shows he never will be a leader. NEVER. This is why I want the Jets to rid themselves of all the dead wood. I want QB's belonging to this organization that can illustrate leadership qualities. Guys that other players can look up. Geno is the complete opposite of anything positive. He's a punk.

I have said the very same things about him, but perhaps he can LEARN from his mistakes and become someone his teammates can at least respect. Winning cures a lot of ills and if he can put together some good games statistically and get the team a few wins - even if he plays well in a loss, if he wasn't the reason for the loss - he could gain some respect back.

[Mainejet]

1 hour ago, LIJetsFan said:

so...your first paragraph...you are really behaving badly my friend....this sort of thing in never called for.  

so...your 2nd paragraph.....FO thinks he's only 7m better.  You disagree I suppose....what's your bottom line on his worth?

Me personally I'd like to see a QB under center that can use our new weapons like D. Smith and Peake to best advantage.  You know, so opposing D's can't stack the box.    

 

ps: in your post that I quoted you were talking about wanting a franchise QB.  We all know Fitz ain't that!

Fitz is the BEST option for 2016. Do you see any great solutions out there? Please let me in on all those keen insights that you have that can solve the NYJ's QB issues in 2016.

Now while I am waiting for your input, I say Ryan Fitzpatrick is our BEST and ONLY option for 2016. If Mac and Bowles were to actually be psychotic enough to go into the 2016 season with Geno Smith, they would instantly be in danger of losing their jobs. The fan base would see Geno's horrendous play and then turn on Mac and Bowles.

In regards to the amount of money Fitz gets paid? I have never really discussed that at length, but here's how I feel:

1) Fitz has every right to attempt to seek out the best deal he possibly can. He will not be playing for much longer and he must earn the big bucks while he can.

2) Fitz real, TRUE value is whatever the market says his value is. Right now? The way I see it is he's got only one offer on the table from one team and that team is the NYJ. The NYJ claim Ryan Fitzpatrick is worth approximately 7 million per season (articles vary on what the Jets offer is to Fitz, some say 8 or even 9 million per season). So by my way of thinking, the market has spoken in regards to Fitz. Fitz will need to start to grasp what the NYJ are oiffering.

3) IMO, Fitz BEST chance at having a repeat performance of 2015 is in NY. He built chemistry with guys like Marshall, Decker, and Powell. In another city he would need to start all over again.

4) And all those accusations he claims? Like he'd rather not play in 2016 than accept what the Jets are offering? That's 100% STUPIDITY. It's a complete lame attempt at trying to pass the NYJ and their fans off as idiots. If Ryan Fitz Patrick decides to NOT play because the offer he got was not high enough? Then RYAN FITZPATRICK would be the biggest idiot on the planet. But Fitz is NOT an idiot. He's actually a very intelligent well spoken guy. Therefore, he WILL play for the NYJ. Come hell or high water he will play for the NYJ in 2016. There simply is no other way. The NYJ need Fitz. Fitz needs the NYJ.

I completely agree with your third paragraph. Fitz cannot throw the long ball and everyone knows it, but once again want/wish until your blue in the face. The BEST and ONLY solution for the NYJ in 2016 is Ryan Fitzpatrick. So, we as Jets fans will need to wait for Petty or Hack to develop and maybe some time down the line we'll have a QB that can stretch the field. Until then, Fitz is the man.

I never said Fitz was a franchise QB. I am merely stating what everyone knows right now. Fitz is the best and only option for the NYJ in 2016.

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, Mainejet said:

WTF are you talking about? Listen. if you want to go have Geno's babies be my guest. You can stroke the a$$hole all the live long day as far as I am concerned.

Our current leader (and he is a true leader in every sense of the word) is Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's not the most athletically gifted, but the whole package is MILES better than that POS Geno. 

Dude... Grow up.

[joewilly12]

Ryan Fitzpatrick has never been a leader in his entire career all of a sudden many anoint him a lead because he had a decent season with the NY Jets. 

[LIJetsFan]

23 minutes ago, Mainejet said:

Fitz is the BEST option for 2016. Do you see any great solutions out there? Please let me in on all those keen insights that you have that can solve the NYJ's QB issues in 2016.

Now while I am waiting for your input, I say Ryan Fitzpatrick is our BEST and ONLY option for 2016. If Mac and Bowles were to actually be psychotic enough to go into the 2016 season with Geno Smith, they would instantly be in danger of losing their jobs. The fan base would see Geno's horrendous play and then turn on Mac and Bowles.

In regards to the amount of money Fitz gets paid? I have never really discussed that at length, but here's how I feel:

1) Fitz has every right to attempt to seek out the best deal he possibly can. He will not be playing for much longer and he must earn the big bucks while he can.

2) Fitz real, TRUE value is whatever the market says his value is. Right now? The way I see it is he's got only one offer on the table from one team and that team is the NYJ. The NYJ claim Ryan Fitzpatrick is worth approximately 7 million per season (articles vary on what the Jets offer is to Fitz, some say 8 or even 9 million per season). So by my way of thinking, the market has spoken in regards to Fitz. Fitz will need to start to grasp what the NYJ are oiffering.

3) IMO, Fitz BEST chance at having a repeat performance of 2015 is in NY. He built chemistry with guys like Marshall, Decker, and Powell. In another city he would need to start all over again.

4) And all those accusations he claims? Like he'd rather not play in 2016 than accept what the Jets are offering? That's 100% STUPIDITY. It's a complete lame attempt at trying to pass the NYJ and their fans off as idiots. If Ryan Fitz Patrick decides to NOT play because the offer he got was not high enough? Then RYAN FITZPATRICK would be the biggest idiot on the planet. But Fitz is NOT an idiot. He's actually a very intelligent well spoken guy. Therefore, he WILL play for the NYJ. Come hell or high water he will play for the NYJ in 2016. There simply is no other way. The NYJ need Fitz. Fitz needs the NYJ.

I completely agree with your third paragraph. Fitz cannot throw the long ball and everyone knows it, but once again want/wish until your blue in the face. The BEST and ONLY solution for the NYJ in 2016 is Ryan Fitzpatrick. So, we as Jets fans will need to wait for Petty or Hack to develop and maybe some time down the line we'll have a QB that can stretch the field. Until then, Fitz is the man.

I never said Fitz was a franchise QB. I am merely stating what everyone knows right now. Fitz is the best and only option for the NYJ in 2016.

So I think pretty much we are in agreement on most things:  1. There is no better QB available right now.  2. Fitz should sign for what we're offering.

What I don't appreciate is your idea that Fitz will definitely be back thus you don't need to think about what else might happen under center.  That is where Geno comes in.  You think he's hopeless and I think, for free, he deserves one last shot.  Why one last shot?    Better team to help him out and better OC to help him out.  

Oh and one further point, if (you might say when) Geno craps out and Hack is handed the reigns, at least the game plan will be familiar same since they both have the same skill set.     

[Shadetree]

1 hour ago, BRONX DUDE said:

You ever look into Geno's eyes over the past three years?  He ain't a leader. Next.

^^^Pretty much hits the nail on the head right here. 

[Larz]

nope

 

he's a loner

[j4jets]

We should dump Geno n sign Fitz, cuz he's obviously a great leader. So great, his teammates are lining up to take pay cuts so the Jets can pay him Brady-money. Yup, leaders expect your best defender (Mo) to be released to get paid. True definition of true leader. A QB getting punched means he's not a leader. 

[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

LOL you stopped reading because I called Singletary and Idiot ? Did you look and listen to some of the things Singletary did during his time as a coach ?? Did you ever wonder why (before using him as an example) he has not had another HC job ??

Here you are admitting Geno is a moron because he actually addressed a bunch of heckling fans ??? Are you serious ? Class athletes take their lumps by the fans and do not get into shouting matches with them. Idiots like Geno fight back thinking they are accomplishing something. Maybe play better and work harder and stop being an arrogant fcuk would help Geno.

Villain In all honesty I hope Geno turns himself and his attitude around, he may (for all we know ) have already started....If.that's the case I hope he turns his career around for the better. Too many Jets fans have seen QB's like Sanchez get way to many chances and while I myself think he was handled dreadfully wrong he ALWAYS played with class and acted like a professional give or take a hot dog or 2  . The only reason I'm not so willing to give Geno the benefit of the doubt is because of his actions more than his playing style.

You asked a specific question, and I responded by showing you that it has happened. You responded with nonsense instead of accepting that it has happened.  I stopped reading because you started with nonsense instead of acknowledging the fact. Im not interested in that today. Like with this latest quote for example. I Stopped reading at the end of the bolded. You're explaining away the fact that you were wrong by trying to change the subject. This wasnt about your personal opinion of him, this was about if a coach every publicly state their feelings on a player. You were shown that its happened, and you dont want to own it. So there's no reason to read anything you say on this topic for as long as you're not not owning up. 

[Smashmouth]

17 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

The message is just as irrelevant as the question. You're trying to explain away the fact that it happened. Furthermore, to prove that, hear from Vernon Davis own mouth how he appreciated this valuable lesson. There's a message here if you listen hard enough. 

 

 

villain you know damn well its extremely rare that players or coaches call out other players and usually when it does happen you're looking an idiot right in the eyes. Vernon Davis did pretty damn well once Singletary was gone as did that entire team. So excuse me for making a point about what you used to make a point

[Smashmouth]

Ok Villain I was wrong because Mike Singletary insulted one of his players .

 

[Villain The Foe]

2 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

villain you know damn well its extremely rare that players or coaches call out other players and usually when it does happen you're looking an idiot right in the eyes. Vernon Davis did pretty damn well once Singletary was gone as did that entire team. So excuse me for making a point about what you used to make a point

Okay, now you're back on topic. I do know that its extremely rare, but that wasnt your question. You alluded to the fact that it "never happens". I simply showed that it does (Vernon Davis) and it has (RG3). 

 

Flipping the topic and calling the Coach an idiot becaue he did it was simply not the point of the topic. You made a statement, and I proved that it wasnt accurate. All you had to say was "Villain, okay....that was once, but how rare is this". Then I was would have stated "Very rare, but it DOES happen....just ask RG3". Then we would have went on with the convo. But calling the guy an idiot and how he was only a coach for this amount time, so on and so forth is just irrelevant and trying to explain it away. 

[Villain The Foe]

5 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Ok Villain I was wrong because Mike Singletary insulted one of his players .

 

Thnk about it. You asked the question right? 

 

Whats the point of asking the question when you're going to manipulate the situation to be right anyway? 

Example #1. If no coach ever did it then you're right. 

Example #2. If a coach DID do it then he's an "idiot" which means that he doesnt count so then you're right anyway. 

C'mon. 

[The Crusher]

20 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I learned about leadership watching the Ninja Turtles. And I don't remember seeing Leonardo fail at much.

For me it was the Fonz.  Dude jumped the shark.  The shark!

[Smashmouth]

18 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

do you actually think players or coaches are going to come out and give an interview stating that Geno is a bad Leader ??? Really ?

Is what happened last year not enough to convince you the guys a total a&#036;&#036;hole ?

 

5 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

You asked a specific question, and I responded by showing you that it has happened. You responded with nonsense instead of accepting that it has happened.  I stopped reading because you started with nonsense instead of acknowledging the fact. Im not interested in that today. Like with this latest quote for example. I Stopped reading at the end of the bolded. You're explaining away the fact that you were wrong by trying to change the subject. This wasnt about your personal opinion of him, this was about if a coach every publicly state their feelings on a player. You were shown that its happened, and you dont want to own it. So there's no reason to read anything you say on this topic for as long as you're not not owning up. 

I could have said (if your going into specifics, I asked the question about Geno so why do you then bring up Mike Singletary ?

Now just to clear things up nothing I stated about players and coaches talking about other players is nonsense or false. You can probably count on one hand how many times a player or a coach is going to call out a player especially a QB. What Singletary did was FAR FAR from the Norm in sports. I remember Keyshawn doing to to Chrebet and he was promptly labled an a&#036;&#036;hole.

Not usr why this debate had to take this turn since what I said was pretty much how things work.

[The Crusher]

20 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

There was one episode where the CEO of the world's biggest pizza dough corporation got kidnapped and then the Turtles sent Casey Jones undercover in a suit to see what the deal was. Otherwise they were facing a worldwide pizza shortage. Is that what you were getting at?

For reference here is Casey Jones in a corporate leadership setting:

Follow You anyplace.  Cept comic con.  End up standing around all day holding you man purse.