Todd Bowles owes us all an explanation

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, hawk said:

Maybe this has been said.  I am just seeing it now.  The Jets had a sack for a loss of only two yards, and there was a holding call on 2nd and 10.  How do you take the penalty, when it would have been 3rd and 12 for 2 and 20?  That is not a smart decision.  IMO.  2nd quarter around 9 and half minutes left.

I remember that. Coin flip decision, really. That's a which do you prefer

[UnitedWhofans]

Carl Banks said that another possible reason you dont go for 2 there is saying that you give the impression of panicking, especially for your defense, if you go for 2 there.

And thinking about it myself, the benefit of  going for 2 there is minimal. You are not guaranteeing victory, you are guaranteeing overtime. And with the extra point being missable, I dont think the benefit is big enough. Plus the onside kick is a longshot to begin with, and I heard on the broadcast that the Bills were missing their kickoff specialist which lowered the odds even more.

Bowles was simply playing the odds. Jets fans, accustomed to the disasters, probably disagreed with that.

[hawk]

6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

I remember that. Coin flip decision, really. That's a which do you prefer

The Bills were on the wrong side of the 50.  If you don't trust your defense to hold them on 3rd and 12, then we have a problem.  If you can't trust them to keep them from getting a first on 3rd and 12, how is it better to give them an extra play to get a first.  If the Bills get 8 yards on 2nd down, the result is the same 3rd and 12.  So essentially, Bowles was hoping to keep them under 8 yards on 2nd and 20?  

[BroadwayJets]

Bowles just owned it on his conference call. Said he should have went for two

[bostonmajet]

6 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said:

Bowles just owned it on his conference call. Said he should have went for two

Good; new HCs need to learn from his mistakes..

[jetfan39]

36 minutes ago, BroadwayJets said:

Bowles just owned it on his conference call. Said he should have went for two

Jets coach Todd Bowles admitted he made a mistake by not going for two points when he went up by 12 with 4:02 left last night. "I should've," he said. "I was occupied, doing something with the defense. When I turned around and looked at it, it was my bust. I'll get better going forward." The Bills scored a TD to close to within six points, they eventual losing margin. Bowles got away with one.

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[UnitedWhofans]

5 hours ago, JiF said:

The guy has some serious game management issues.  You just hope he's got someone giving him feedback because there are a few head scratchers each week from Bowles. 

A few?

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, jetfan39 said:

Jets coach Todd Bowles admitted he made a mistake by not going for two points when he went up by 12 with 4:02 left last night. "I should've," he said. "I was occupied, doing something with the defense. When I turned around and looked at it, it was my bust. I'll get better going forward." The Bills scored a TD to close to within six points, they eventual losing margin. Bowles got away with one.

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Rich Cimini has no right to mention this considering the fact that he didn't ask him the question last night.

It was the wrong call, but it wasn't an egregious error given the odds. Jets fans, conditioned to disappointment, always expect the worst

[Mogglez]

3 minutes ago, jetfan39 said:

Jets coach Todd Bowles admitted he made a mistake by not going for two points when he went up by 12 with 4:02 left last night. "I should've," he said. "I was occupied, doing something with the defense. When I turned around and looked at it, it was my bust. I'll get better going forward." The Bills scored a TD to close to within six points, they eventual losing margin. Bowles got away with one.

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Well there you go.  Explanation. 

He's a young Coach.  Bowles will be fine.

[Green DNA]

13 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

I don't understand it either but I don't think Bowles is clueless either. I'm trying to come up with a rational explanation. Only thing that really makes sense is that he has faith in the defense and wanted to give the offense as much rest as possible, in case they needed to haul downfield for a last second attempt, after being on the field for so long. I don't find it a very good explanation though.

WTF?  There is no downside in going for two there, you need to try to make sure that two touchdowns can only tie you and not beat you.  Do you really think that he wanted to rest his offense by not running one more play?

[Green DNA]

2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Rich Cimini has no right to mention this considering the fact that he didn't ask him the question last night.

It was the wrong call, but it wasn't an egregious error given the odds. Jets fans, conditioned to disappointment, always expect the worst

If the Bills recovered the onside kick, then it most certainly would have been an egregious error.  Inexcusable. 

[UntouchableCrew]

Valid criticism. It was clearly a mistake by Bowles. Hopefully he realized it and learns from it.

[choon328]

1 hour ago, hawk said:

Maybe this has been said.  I am just seeing it now.  The Jets had a sack for a loss of only two yards, and there was a holding call on 2nd and 10.  How do you take the penalty, when it would have been 3rd and 12 for 2 and 20?  That is not a smart decision.  IMO.  2nd quarter around 9 and half minutes left.

Bc the 3rd and 12 was at the Jets 40 I think.  So even if they don't get the 12 they would've been in fg position.  Pushing them back 10 makes it harder to get back in fg position. Just what I'm thinking anyway

[UnitedWhofans]

Just now, Green DNA said:

If the Bills recovered the onside kick, then it most certainly would have been an egregious error.  Inexcusable. 

Those are the odds I was talking about. Onside kicks are recovered 16 percent of the time. And apparently the Bills were without their kickoff specialist and had to use Carpenter who is only the place kicker. And it showed

[RutgersJetFan]

11 minutes ago, jetfan39 said:

Jets coach Todd Bowles admitted he made a mistake by not going for two points when he went up by 12 with 4:02 left last night. "I should've," he said. "I was occupied, doing something with the defense. When I turned around and looked at it, it was my bust. I'll get better going forward." The Bills scored a TD to close to within six points, they eventual losing margin. Bowles got away with one.

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[Awesumtenor]

2 hours ago, hawk said:

Maybe this has been said.  I am just seeing it now.  The Jets had a sack for a loss of only two yards, and there was a holding call on 2nd and 10.  How do you take the penalty, when it would have been 3rd and 12 for 2 and 20?  That is not a smart decision.  IMO.  2nd quarter around 9 and half minutes left.

Bills were in Jets territory and nearly in FG range...2 plays after they took the penalty, the Bills picked up 19 yards on 3rd and 20 which would have put them in long FG range or they could have tried to pick up the 1st on 4th down...but BUF held on that play too and 3rd and 20 became 3rd and 30, Bills picked up 6 yards on 3rd and 30 and punted.

[NYs Stepchild]

15 hours ago, jetscrazey said:

Regardless of the outcome of the game, how do you kick a PAT and not go for 2 to go up 14 instead of 13 with less than 4 minutes left?  And then play prevent D, you're literally giving them a chance with the onside kick 

He gave us an explanation. He said he was caught up in the defense and didn't do the math.

I belive he'll have 2 people assigned to do that math for him in the future.

I don't like that he didn't do it, but I do like that he made no excuses. Didn't throw anyone under the bus (as Rex would do) when there probably is someone that should have advised him on that. He's still learning. 

[Jet9]

19 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Rich Cimini has no right to mention this considering the fact that he didn't ask him the question last night.

 

What in holy **** are you talking about? Journalists don't get dibs on stories based on questions they ask. You do realize multiple journalists can write about the same topic, yes? 

[Augustiniak]

3 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

He gave us an explanation. He said he was caught up in the defense and didn't do the math.

I belive he'll have 2 people assigned to do that math for him in the future.

I don't like that he didn't do it, but I do like that he made no excuses. Didn't throw anyone under the bus (as Rex would do) when there probably is someone that should have advised him on that. He's still learning. 

bowles should have been on top of this, not with the defense.  didn't he once say something about being with the defense last year, or in preseason, and missed something?  

[UnitedWhofans]

2 minutes ago, Jet9 said:

What in holy **** are you talking about? Journalists don't get dibs on stories based on questions they ask. You do realize multiple journalists can write about the same topic, yes? 

None of the journalists asked about it last night. It just seems hypocritical that Cimini says "Bowles got away with one" and he didnt question it last night

[bergenjets]

Shouldn't the ST coach have said something to him?

 

Something like, are we going for two here?

[UnitedWhofans]

1 minute ago, bergenjets said:

Shouldn't the ST coach have said something to him?

 

Something like, are we going for two here?

I would have thought Chan would have said something. He was a head coach once too.

[NYs Stepchild]

7 minutes ago, Awesumtenor said:

Bills were in Jets territory and nearly in FG range...2 plays after they took the penalty, the Bills picked up 19 yards on 3rd and 20 which would have put them in long FG range or they could have tried to pick up the 1st on 4th down...but BUF held on that play too and 3rd and 20 became 3rd and 30, Bills picked up 6 yards on 3rd and 30 and punted.

The first one which was the 2 yard sack on 1st down, I believe he should have declined. They were playing a prevent style defense and you don't give up a down for 8 yards when they're in hurry up attacking mode especially when you're playing soft coverage. He got lucky there that they got more penalties. The one on 4th and 1 I agreed with. 

After that he started playing more aggressive, and also allowed the offense to remain on the attack. I feel much better about the way they handled the 2nd lead than they did with the first lead. Hopefully he will continue to stay aggressive. 

[NYs Stepchild]

9 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

bowles should have been on top of this, not with the defense.  didn't he once say something about being with the defense last year, or in preseason, and missed something?  

Yes he should have. I don't remember that. I do however remember Rex saying that exact thing. 

He eventually needs to turn over more of the play calling, but if he's calling the plays then that is more important than doing the math on extra points. If it was me I would have at least 2 or 3 people keeping track of time management, time outs, and scoring situations so they could give me that information instantly without me having to distract myself. I would still keep track myself but better to have redundancies to assure their are no errors.

[flgreen]

well Bowles is such an excitable guy, he probably just got lost in the moment  

[flgreen]

FYI Bills just fired their OC

[NYs Stepchild]

2 minutes ago, flgreen said:

FYI Bills just fired their OC

We should hire Roman as QBs coach, and assistant HC in charge of extra point math scenarios. 

[flgreen]

1 minute ago, NYs Stepchild said:

We should hire Roman as QBs coach, and assistant HC in charge of extra point math scenarios. 

Is Herm back in the building?  

[NYs Stepchild]

1 minute ago, flgreen said:

Is Herm back in the building?  

Not yet but we could hire him as the assistant HC in charge of counting the number of timeouts we have left. We'd still need someone to keep track of the opponent's time outs though. 

[thshadow]

2 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Bowles was simply playing the odds. Jets fans, accustomed to the disasters, probably disagreed with that.

I think we agree that it was unlikely to matter - but that doesn't mean it was the right decision.  If that score put us up 14 before the PAT, would you bother to kick the PAT?  Or would you just take a knee and not even try it, because up 14 should be enough?

Obviously, that's ridiculous.  You should always do what increases your odds of winning - even if you're already at 99%.  It's not a big mistake - in that it barely decreased our odds of winning.  But it *is* a big mistake, because it's so obviously stupid.

At least Bowles admitted his mistake.  So that should close the matter.

 

[56mehl56]

8 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said:

Also, I hate the title of this thread. Todd Bowles doesn't owe you sh*t.

Obviously the reporters didnt pick up on it, because they didn't bring it up. Was it a mistake? Yes, it was. But it wasn't a big deal because the odds of getting into a situation where it would matter were very slim

Doesn't matter what the odds are. There was nothing to lose by going for 2.

[jetscrazey]

Kudos to Bowles for admitting his mistake in the press conference today and saying he'd have gone for 2 if he had to do it again

[Charlie Brown]

1 minute ago, jetscrazey said:

Kudos to Bowles for admitting his mistake in the press conference today and saying he'd have gone for 2 if he had to do it again

Bowles is a good HC.  Folks out here are not used to that and so they are quick to attack the unknown

[ljr]

19 minutes ago, jetscrazey said:

Kudos to Bowles for admitting his mistake in the press conference today and saying he'd have gone for 2 if he had to do it again

Hadn't caught the press conference ... Great news ... Exactly what I wanted to hear!!!

[nycdan]

Unlike Rex who would have said something like:

 

"We thought we had a pretty good plan.  It didn't work out the way we hoped but if we had it to do all over again, we'd probably have wolfed down a snack and done the same thing.  Have I told you how great it is to have my brother Rob here coaching with me?"