BRONX DUDE Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 19 hours ago, JetsFan12 said: He's still much better and more talented than Williams who imo is the odd man out. Throw in Revis while your at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 20 hours ago, ljr said: Someone should just take him & Mo & Big Cat and please trade them with SF for Cap Throw in Revis while your at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I just re-watched the game richardson was manhandled one on one by a back up tackle for 3/4 of the game, but he came on in the 4th quarter I remain unimpressed with sheldumb the unicorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, Larz said: I just re-watched the game richardson was manhandled one on one by a back up tackle for 3/4 of the game, but he came on in the 4th quarter I remain unimpressed with sheldumb the unicorn Same, he is the most overrated player on this team by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 10 hours ago, SenorGato said: Same, he is the most overrated player on this team by leaps and bounds. It was his first game of the season and he did come on late. He is not the most overrated player on the team. Until further notice the title belongs to Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 10 hours ago, Larz said: I just re-watched the game richardson was manhandled one on one by a back up tackle for 3/4 of the game, but he came on in the 4th quarter I remain unimpressed with sheldumb the unicorn While I'm not sure if he is the most overrated player or not, this is something to keep an eye on. Last year everyone got excited when Sheldon would join what was looking like a dominant D. What happened was there was actually a drop off. I forget the numbers but there was some sort of records being threatened the first 4 games of last season with sacks. Then the first game this year the Jets D got to Dalton more than any other game in his career. Sheldon comes in and we get not one sack. Containment game plan aside, that is something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 I agree that Richardson is way overrated. Lets just hope some other team also overrates him and gives us a decent return on a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 This DL is going to get better as the season goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 On September 16, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Jet Nut said: A few strange non calls. I thought they should have acalled grounding on the play right before the Salas TD I think it also had something to do with the TD. Bowles was going nuts and the team on the field was yelling for it and did not get set for the next play. I can't believe they did not call that grounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bergenjets Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Aside from the game plan of keeping the running lanes closed, they stopped Tie-Rod behind the line several times on plays that did not look like designed runs to me. I thought they were going to be registered as sacks, so the zero sack total is kind of a technicality. They also stuffed a bunch of run plays behind the line. Buffalo seemed to have extra blockers in there on an awful lot of plays too... Much ado about not very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 6:33 AM, CobraVerde said: Yeah he had a big play but this was something I had my eye since last year when he served 4 games. It's one week 2 and his first week back but keep an eye on this. Richardson has been a Jet for 3 seasons. Questions, when has this defensive line NOT been dominant? When has this defensive line been consistently more dominant without Sheldon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 The question still remains whether the Jets DL is better as a primary 3-4 or a primary 4-3; it will take more then a 2 game sample (especially since this was Sheldon's first week back against a non-pocket passer). But for those who think that the #6 pick in the draft (maybe the best player in the draft) who is looking even better than he did his rookie year (who is also young) is going to be 'odd man out' especially when he is cheaper and doesn't have the off field issues, is just fooling themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 1 hour ago, GREENBEAN said: While I'm not sure if he is the most overrated player or not, this is something to keep an eye on. Last year everyone got excited when Sheldon would join what was looking like a dominant D. What happened was there was actually a drop off. I forget the numbers but there was some sort of records being threatened the first 4 games of last season with sacks. Then the first game this year the Jets D got to Dalton more than any other game in his career. Sheldon comes in and we get not one sack. Containment game plan aside, that is something. I was watching him on run plays as well. One time he got stonewalled so badly he gave up. I noticed it in preseason but figured he was just protecting his body. Since he played better in the 4th, I will give him the mini bye to prove me wrong. Right now he looks like a guy coasting on his rookie year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, JetBlue said: It was his first game of the season and he did come on late. He is not the most overrated player on the team. Until further notice the title belongs to Revis. Revis is basically the GOAT CB with nearly a decade of game changing play under his belt. Sheldumb, a nickname I like, is a spoiled kid first and football player second. He's very talented, I won't deny that, but he misses a ton of time on the field and strikes me as the kind of player who will fade away quickly once some goofball franchise pays him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Williams has been pretty much unblockable so far this season without being held (which the Bills did with impunity). LW has a higher upside, and a far less likely chance of being suspended for significant time. Richardson is plenty overrated, a moron, and has had 1 good play so far this year, in limited time. JF12 is ridiculous, but the more good players we have, the better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 1:40 AM, JetsFan12 said: Sheldon is the more athletic, explosive and instinctive football player. You can prefer Williams because he seems like a good kid while Sheldon is a knucklehead and trouble maker but that doesn't change those basic facts. Sheldon is no way more athletic than Williams. And what you claim to be "facts" (sheldon being more athletic and instinctive) are, in fact, merely your opinions and not "facts" at all. Your post is just weak sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Larz said: I was watching him on run plays as well. One time he got stonewalled so badly he gave up. I noticed it in preseason but figured he was just protecting his body. Since he played better in the 4th, I will give him the mini bye to prove me wrong. Right now he looks like a guy coasting on his rookie year. I'm in the same camp. Not ready to give up on the guy really, but he has been slightly more problematic than helpful overall recently. It's a new point of interest for me and something I hope I am incorrect about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Somebody better tell Mac and Bowles this. The Jets think Richardson is more talented than Wilkerson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 3 hours ago, Dcat said: Sheldon is no way more athletic than Williams. And what you claim to be "facts" (sheldon being more athletic and instinctive) are, in fact, merely your opinions and not "facts" at all. Your post is just weak sauce. Sheldon is a freak athlete, while Williams is above average at best. I think it's ridiculous we are even comparing their athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 This is a great problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Sheldon Richardson (6'2 285) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 5.02 SEC BENCH PRESS: 30 REPS VERTICAL JUMP: 32.0 INCH BROAD JUMP: 116.0 INCH Leonard Williams (6'5 305) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 4.97 SEC VERTICAL JUMP: 29.5 INCH BROAD JUMP: 106.0 INCH 3 CONE DRILL: 7.59 SEC 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.53 SEC Williams is bigger, faster than Richardson. Was consensus #1 talent in his draft. Richardson considered a "top 20 pick". Stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 2 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Somebody better tell Mac and Bowles this. The Jets think Richardson is more talented than Wilkerson. This myth, even still? Even if they did, and I have serious doubts, they couldn't actually consider him the better or more important/valuable player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 45 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said: Sheldon Richardson (6'2 285) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 5.02 SEC BENCH PRESS: 30 REPS VERTICAL JUMP: 32.0 INCH BROAD JUMP: 116.0 INCH Leonard Williams (6'5 305) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 4.97 SEC VERTICAL JUMP: 29.5 INCH BROAD JUMP: 106.0 INCH 3 CONE DRILL: 7.59 SEC 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.53 SEC Williams is bigger, faster than Richardson. Was consensus #1 talent in his draft. Richardson considered a "top 20 pick". Stop it. Richardson is more athletic than Williams is. It really isn't that hard to see just watching them both move around. Neither of them is a phenom like Aaron Donald or J.J. Watt or anything. The thing with Williams is that he doesn't really have to be. He's a reactive player. He doesn't beat everybody off the ball because he's not trying to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On 9/16/2016 at 9:04 AM, Integrity28 said: Tons of tackles behind line of scrimmage, QB hurries, and play that should have resulted in sacks if not for Buffalo OL holding (called and uncalled). If we clean up the mistakes in the secondary and elsewhere the D-Line pretty much pitched a shutout. It seems we have a DL that absolutely nobody wants to face right now and it is good feeling to have. Shades of the 86 team perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EM31 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 If the question of the day was which of out D Lineman has the biggest motor. Hard to choose between the three of them to be honest. I think Sheldon may be in a tie at the top but I don't think his is motor is actually behind either of the other two. Now his decision-making on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 3 hours ago, SenorGato said: This myth, even still? Even if they did, and I have serious doubts, they couldn't actually consider him the better or more important/valuable player. It's not a myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan12 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 17 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Richardson is more athletic than Williams is. It really isn't that hard to see just watching them both move around. Neither of them is a phenom like Aaron Donald or J.J. Watt or anything. The thing with Williams is that he doesn't really have to be. He's a reactive player. He doesn't beat everybody off the ball because he's not trying to. Combine stats dont tell the whole story but Sheldons numbers look better. 40 times are useless for dlineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On September 16, 2016 at 0:36 AM, Joe W. Namath said: I agree. Every year when this guy comes back we play worse. It depends. On whether his mouth is open or shut. The guy is a bit of an ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 0:39 PM, SenorGato said: Revis is basically the GOAT CB with nearly a decade of game changing play under his belt. Sheldumb, a nickname I like, is a spoiled kid first and football player second. He's very talented, I won't deny that, but he misses a ton of time on the field and strikes me as the kind of player who will fade away quickly once some goofball franchise pays him. Stick to baseball Gato . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no psls Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, jack48 said: It depends. On whether his mouth is open or shut. The guy is a bit of an ass. Thou shalt not take Joe Willie's name in vain . A pox on you . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 1 minute ago, no psls said: Thou shalt not take Joe Willie's name in vain . A pox on you . So glad I make that much of an impression on you coming from a he/she with 691 posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Sure, let's get rid of one of our best players. That will make us much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 2 hours ago, no psls said: Stick to baseball Gato . Sheldumb's coming off a season where he missed nearly 42% of the D's snaps. At his best it's 20% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On September 17, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Jet_Engine1 said: Sheldon Richardson (6'2 285) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 5.02 SEC BENCH PRESS: 30 REPS VERTICAL JUMP: 32.0 INCH BROAD JUMP: 116.0 INCH Leonard Williams (6'5 305) Combine: 40 YARD DASH: 4.97 SEC VERTICAL JUMP: 29.5 INCH BROAD JUMP: 106.0 INCH 3 CONE DRILL: 7.59 SEC 20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.53 SEC Williams is bigger, faster than Richardson. Was consensus #1 talent in his draft. Richardson considered a "top 20 pick". Stop it. 1) Some of your numbers are wrong, and 2) Richardson is more explosive. Richardson actually weighed 294lbs and measured 6'2", so he's actually "thicker" than Williams. Richardson had a 32" vertical leap and 116" broad jump. Williams had a 29.5" vertical and 106" broad jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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