Jets Promote Heimerdinger to VP of Player Personnel

[BurnleyJet]

Heimerdinger is the power behind the  throne of the GM.

[Morrissey]

On 7/11/2017 at 2:28 PM, Maxman said:

Jets go 8 and 8. Macc gets an extension.

Heimerdinger gets a GM job and wins a bazillion out of the next bazillion and three Super Bowls.

You heard it here first.

A smart team would promote Heimerdinger to GM and make a new position for Maccagnan. Something like President of Football Operations. 

[T0mShane]

43 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Jets have their GM and HC replacements on staff if things go south.

Heimerdinger and Bates.

Morton was the HC replacement, which is why he’s not here anymore.

[T0mShane]

6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

A smart team would promote Heimerdinger to GM and make a new position for Maccagnan. Something like President of Football Operations. 

Yes

[Maxman]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Morton was the HC replacement, which is why he’s not here anymore.

Lol.

What is Morton doing today?

[32EBoozer]

On 7/11/2017 at 9:05 PM, Sarge4Tide said:

Good move, as in any organization, if you have somebody good, you have to fight like hell to keep them from being poached.  It's the #1 ongoing thing we fght in my organization- the stars get snatched up and the numbskulls stay forever 

That guy on the right is someone you need to promote to driver, Sarge!

 

[section314]

8 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Lol.

What is Morton doing today?

Coaching somewhere in Div 23? 

[BCJet]

38 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

A smart team would promote Heimerdinger to GM and make a new position for Maccagnan. Something like President of Football Operations. 

Heimerdinger has already been mentioned as a possibility for the Raiders in their front office overhaul, although Im not sure why anyone would want to go to that team right now, but this is why he got a promotion and likely a big salary bump.

Mac said on WFAN on Tuesday that Heimerdinger was his sounding board for this draft and definitely made it seem like he was his right hand guy.  This is particularly interesting because we made a shift in this draft as far as smaller school guys with better sparq numbers (Shephard and Nickerson).  I think this is a good promotion and continuity in the FO is a good thing.

[T0mShane]

26 minutes ago, Maxman said:

Lol.

What is Morton doing today?

He’s taking a four year sabbatical to live in the woods OH WAIT.

Fun Fact: Super genius Jeremy Bates has had seven coaching jobs prior to becoming the Jets OC. He was fired from six of those jobs after one season. So let’s try to temper our expectations, shall we?

[JetFaninMI]

1 hour ago, jack48 said:

I think we should hang on to Macc. It is better to be lucky than good.  Yogi said so.

"Half the lies they tell about me aren't true". -Yogi Berra

 

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, jack48 said:

I think we should hang on to Macc. It is better to be lucky than good.  Yogi said so.

It most certainly is, and Yogi was definitely right

Except there's that nagging thought that won't go away: I still can't see what makes Maccagnan an asset.

[C Mart]

On 7/11/2017 at 2:37 PM, dbatesman said:

Legitimately mystified by the "future GM to watch" comment. Based on what?

Respect around the league..The football league insiders know a heck of alot more what people do than media and fansites. He was being talked about a yr ago..

[C Mart]

On 7/11/2017 at 5:52 PM, rangerous said:

i'm not into the whole legacy thing but his dad was a decent coach.  who knows, maybe this guy can deal with the contracts better than mac.

People need to understand it's not a one man show..It's not all Mcc doing everything. Jackie Davidson is the lead cap person and contract negotiator.  Mcc said from day 1 he was told by other current and ex-GMs in the league to do what got you there and surround yourself with good people to do the other stuff. It's his job to oversee them and set out a vision and try to execute it

[C Mart]

On 7/11/2017 at 10:17 PM, ASH1962 said:

Well that is one thing us Jet fans do not have to worry about now is it, in fact, if someone poached the whole CS, I would do naked cartwheels down the boardwalk in AC, and believe you me, what a site that would be LOL.

thats great. so another coach and coaching staff would come in and want to make personnel changes to fit their systems and what they want to do..rinse repeat 

[C Mart]

3 hours ago, Joejet said:

He works for Mac, not the other way around.

good gawd how he came up with that conclusion is well.........normal for him

[dbatesman]

40 minutes ago, C Mart said:

Respect around the league..The football league insiders know a heck of alot more what people do than media and fansites. He was being talked about a yr ago..

Yeah, I need to eat some crow on this one. The way we’re allocating resources still makes no sense to me, but there’s been a clear shift in the type of player we’re targeting, which basically means the GM is a dope and the VP of personnel isn’t. In the span of a week, my thoughts on Heimerdinger have gone from “who?” to “sh*t, this guy’s gonna get a GM job and we’re gonna go right back to drafting slugs like Mauldin and Burris.”

[C Mart]

2 hours ago, BCJet said:

Heimerdinger has already been mentioned as a possibility for the Raiders in their front office overhaul, although Im not sure why anyone would want to go to that team right now, but this is why he got a promotion and likely a big salary bump.

Mac said on WFAN on Tuesday that Heimerdinger was his sounding board for this draft and definitely made it seem like he was his right hand guy.  This is particularly interesting because we made a shift in this draft as far as smaller school guys with better sparq numbers (Shephard and Nickerson).  I think this is a good promotion and continuity in the FO is a good thing.

Clinkscales was Jets Vice President of College Scouting before going to Raiders with McKenzie, his ex-HS & TN teammate

 

When the draft wraps up in any given year, a rash of pink slips are handed out to scouts around the league, who suddenly find themselves without work after helping make the draft a reality. But in addition to the usual scouting spring cleaning, the Raiders plan to make dramatic changes to the upper levels of their personnel department, according to Alex Marvez of the Sporting News. 

Per Marvez, Oakland is expected to add at least one new personnel executive to the front office, and Matt Miller of Bleacher Report tweets that Ed Marynowitz and Brian Heimerdinger are potential candidates for the job. Marvez also hears that player personnel director Joey Clinkscales could be on his way out. Clinkscales, who previously worked as Vice President of College Scouting for the Jets and who has been a GM candidate twice in his career, has been with the Raiders since 2012, but Marvez suggests that he might be headed to the Browns‘ front office.

Clinkscales joined the Raiders in 2012, and his longstanding relationship with Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie may have made the team a good fit for both men. But head coach Jon Gruden, who rejoined the silver-and-black this offseason, apparently wants to shake things up a bit throughout the department, which is not an uncommon development when a new head coach or GM comes on board.

Gruden now has final say on roster decisions, usurping a bit of McKenzie’s power, but McKenzie and Gruden both say that they are working well together. McKenzie said, “I got a feel for coach Gruden. We like the same type of players.”

A Raiders spokesman decline comment as to whether major changes are forthcoming.

[C Mart]

6 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Yeah, I need to eat some crow on this one. The way we’re allocating resources still makes no sense to me, but there’s been a clear shift in the type of player we’re targeting, which basically means the GM is a dope and the VP of personnel isn’t. In the span of a week, my thoughts on Heimerdinger have gone from “who?” to “sh*t, this guy’s gonna get a GM job and we’re gonna go right back to drafting slugs like Mauldin and Burris.”

Reportedly, Heimindinger is the one that brought or enhanced the use of analytics when he came to the Jets Jan 2015.  

As for your other comments..We should just slow down..Where is it being reported Heim is responsible for all '18 picks. He was here for '15 & '16 picks too

[Adoni Beast]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Morton was the HC replacement, which is why he’s not here anymore.

I never heard anyone refer to Morton the way they do about Bates. Within the organization and externally they constantly say Bates is a great coach, with high IQ, etc.

Most I heard about Morton was that he stayed up late at night.

[varjet]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He’s taking a four year sabbatical to live in the woods OH WAIT.

Fun Fact: Super genius Jeremy Bates has had seven coaching jobs prior to becoming the Jets OC. He was fired from six of those jobs after one season. So let’s try to temper our expectations, shall we?

DeFellipo is a more likely HC than Bates, I think.  

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

I never heard anyone refer to Morton the way they do about Bates. Within the organization and externally they constantly say Bates is a great coach, with high IQ, etc.

Most I heard about Morton was that he stayed up late at night.

Yes, Bates is the best coach to ever be fired within 12 months of employment in six of his last seven jobs and to be in exile for four years. 

[pointman]

No one knows anything about the guy, but it turns into a 2 page argument. *mcdonalds jingle* ba ra ba ba ba.. I'm lovin' it!

[Joejet]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Yes, Bates is the best coach to ever be fired within 12 months of employment in six of his last seven jobs and to be in exile for four years. 

That’s twice you’ve said the same thing in this post.  You’re creeping up on Joe Willy status.

[PS17]

3 hours ago, dbatesman said:

Yeah, I need to eat some crow on this one. The way we’re allocating resources still makes no sense to me, but there’s been a clear shift in the type of player we’re targeting, which basically means the GM is a dope and the VP of personnel isn’t. In the span of a week, my thoughts on Heimerdinger have gone from “who?” to “sh*t, this guy’s gonna get a GM job and we’re gonna go right back to drafting slugs like Mauldin and Burris.”

What about our picks from round 3 onward this year represents significant change from Maccagnan’s three prior drafts? 

[dbatesman]

5 minutes ago, PS17 said:

What about our picks from round 3 onward this year represents significant change from Maccagnan’s three prior drafts? 

Athletes, not tree sloths.

[flgreen]

7 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

Jets have their GM and HC replacements on staff if things go south.

Heimerdinger and Bates.

Bates?  This time last year Bates was still wandering around in the Rocky Mts.  for 4 years.

[PS17]

8 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Athletes, not tree sloths.

We’ll see. I assume anyone drafted by this regime is terrible until proven otherwise. Athletic or not. 

[C Mart]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

He’s taking a four year sabbatical to live in the woods OH WAIT.

Fun Fact: Super genius Jeremy Bates has had seven coaching jobs prior to becoming the Jets OC. He was fired from six of those jobs after one season. So let’s try to temper our expectations, shall we?

I see: 

2005 Herm's last season and Mangini came aboard. Which is normal when a new regime comes in

2009 USC - Carroll left to go to Seattle. Follows him to Seattle

2010 Seattle - yes, fired after 1 yr

2012 Chicago - Lovie Smith fired and replaced by Marc Trestman 

*2008 Denver - Shanahan fired replaced by McDaniels

As coach:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002-2003)
(Offensive quality control coach)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2004)
(Assistant quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2005)
(Quarterbacks coach)

Denver Broncos (2006)
(Offensive assistant)

Denver Broncos (2007)
(Quarterbacks coach & wide receivers coach)

Denver Broncos (2008)
(Quarterbacks coach)

USC (2009)
(Assistant head coach & quarterbacks coach)

Seattle Seahawks (2010)
(Offensive coordinator)

Chicago Bears (2012)
(Quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2017)
(Quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2018-present)
(Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

[Adoni Beast]

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Yes, Bates is the best coach to ever be fired within 12 months of employment in six of his last seven jobs and to be in exile for four years. 

I’m not sitting here pretending to know h great Bates is. But from what people inside the organization and league say about him, is well the normal empty compliment. You could even hear from David Shaw and everyone else on tv draft night.

[T0mShane]

4 hours ago, C Mart said:

I see: 

2005 Herm's last season and Mangini came aboard. Which is normal when a new regime comes in

2009 USC - Carroll left to go to Seattle. Follows him to Seattle

2010 Seattle - yes, fired after 1 yr

2012 Chicago - Lovie Smith fired and replaced by Marc Trestman 

*2008 Denver - Shanahan fired replaced by McDaniels

As coach:

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2002-2003)
(Offensive quality control coach)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2004)
(Assistant quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2005)
(Quarterbacks coach)

Denver Broncos (2006)
(Offensive assistant)

Denver Broncos (2007)
(Quarterbacks coach & wide receivers coach)

Denver Broncos (2008)
(Quarterbacks coach)

USC (2009)
(Assistant head coach & quarterbacks coach)

Seattle Seahawks (2010)
(Offensive coordinator)

Chicago Bears (2012)
(Quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2017)
(Quarterbacks coach)

New York Jets (2018-present)
(Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach

 

12 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I’m not sitting here pretending to know h great Bates is. But from what people inside the organization and league say about him, is well the normal empty compliment. You could even hear from David Shaw and everyone else on tv draft night.

Yeah, I definitely heard he compliments too, but then you look at the resume C Mart posted and it’s exceedingly difficult to reconcile why his career has looked like it does if he’s this alleged guru. When he got fired from Seattle, Carroll intimated that there were some personal problems with Bates; possibly alcohol or drugs? Would definitely explain the itinerant nature of his job history. 

[jetstream23]

5 hours ago, flgreen said:

Bates?  This time last year Bates was still wandering around in the Rocky Mts.  for 4 years.

Let's hope he emerged from the mountains with a good offensive scheme!

[flgreen]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Let's hope he emerged from the mountains with a good offensive scheme!

Worked for Moses. 

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

 

Yeah, I definitely heard he compliments too, but then you look at the resume C Mart posted and it’s exceedingly difficult to reconcile why his career has looked like it does if he’s this alleged guru. When he got fired from Seattle, Carroll intimated that there were some personal problems with Bates; possibly alcohol or drugs? Would definitely explain the itinerant nature of his job history. 

I don’t understand your narrative on job history. Some places he was there for a few yrs just keep getting promoted up. The others, except Seattle, the HC was fired and the new HC wanted his own regime.  

The Seattle thing could have been a difference in opinion. Bates does have a rep of being prickly. His father is Jim Bates well regarded D coach yrs past. 

reportedly after the bears made the HC change and he was let go (again normal) he decided to step away. He did have opportunities to come back but either wasn’t ready or didn’t like the situation. I’m pretty sure he was running or part of a QB school before coming back to Jets. 

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Let's hope he emerged from the mountains with a good offensive scheme!

Reportedly, he played a large part in the passing game last season. 

[C Mart]

Via Cimini July 2017..LONG READ

After conquering 3,000-mile trail, coach faces new challenge: Jets QBs

"It was the right time for me to step aside, find out some things about myself and have the opportunity to do some things outside football," Jeremy Bates said of his four-year absence from the game. Photo courtesy of Beverly Bates

After more than 30 years in the family business, Jeremy Bates needed to get away. Burned out by football, perhaps disillusioned by the cutthroat nature of the NFL, the one-time rising star in the coaching ranks bolted after the 2012 season. Only 36, he disappeared from the football landscape for four years, losing touch with some of his closest friends in the game.

"What the hell is Jeremy up to?" Jon Gruden, his first NFL boss, often asked Jim Bates, Jeremy's father and a retired coach.

Jeremy went from the Chicago Bears to the grizzly bears of Montana. During his sabbatical, he spent five months hiking the 3,000-mile Continental Divide Trail. With a 40-pound backpack, he walked on two surgically repaired knees from New Mexico to Colorado to Wyoming to Idaho to Montana to Canada. He endured blizzards, lightning storms at high elevation and the ever-present danger of rattlesnakes and bears.

Only 200 people a year navigate the CDT, and he did it alone. 

It was a harrowing time for his family, which heard from him every week or so. He grew a beard and a ponytail -- "his mountain man look," his father said -- straying from the image of the clean-cut football prodigy who impressed coaching heavyweights Gruden and Mike Shanahan with his work ethic and X's and O's acumen. Maybe he had lost his way. A map got him from New Mexico to Canada, but sometimes people need to find themselves even when they're on a marked trail.

"Football is a 24/7 commitment and he just needed some time off," Jim Bates said. "When he first walked away, it was real tough on him, but I think it really helped him. I think he's really matured and he appreciates the game that much more. ... It was a very, very valuable time for Jeremy, and he's real excited to be on the football field again."

Now 40 and clean-shaven, Bates came down from the mountains, so to speak, to coach the New York Jets' quarterbacks for Todd Bowles, who plucked him out of the thin air to preside over the development of Christian Hackenbergand Bryce Petty. If Bates thought 15 to 20 miles a day on the CDT was a challenge ... well, this is the NFL version of Mount Everest.

The polarizing Hackenberg, whom the organization hopes can win the starting job ASAP, has yet to take a regular-season snap. His mechanics were a mess when he came out of Penn State, and he spent his rookie season on the bench, languishing on the scout team. Job No. 1 for Bates is to fix Hackenberg.

"Can this kid throw the ball like he did as a freshman at Penn State? Can he regain his confidence? I don't know, nobody knows," said Gruden, who hired Bates as a quality-control assistant for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2002. "Is there enough talent in New York to find a quarterback right now? I don't know, but if there is, Jeremy will develop it. That's what I do know."

From the fast track to crashing out

Gruden and Shanahan are huge fans of the former wonder boy, who worked three years for each coach. Bates was the Denver Broncos' quarterbacks coach when Jay Cutler made the Pro Bowl in 2008, dazzling Shanahan with his knowledge of defenses and pass-protection schemes. Shanahan was fired after the season, so Bates joined Pete Carroll at USC and followed him a year later to the Seattle Seahawks.

Bates was an offensive coordinator at 34, seemingly on the fast track to becoming a head coach, but he was fired after one season -- a playoff year, no less. There was reported strife between Bates and offensive line coach Alex Gibbs; Carroll, in an out-of-character move, sent Bates packing.

After sitting out a year while getting paid by the Seahawks, Bates reunited with Cutler, this time in Chicago. It was another one-and-done, as the Bears cleaned house despite a 10-6 record. Bates, known for his intensity, chafed some people in the organization, a source said. Former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, recalling their days in Tampa, told the Chicago Tribune that Bates "had that cocky, I-know-more-than-you attitude. We would give him a hard time about that."

Bates headed for the hills, deciding to explore another meaning of the word "hike." In addition to the CDT, he tackled the 2,200-mile Appalachian Trail last year. Why the detachment?

"That's a good question," he said last month. "There were a couple of things going on at the time. I don't think you can mess with your life's journey, if you will. I think at the time it was the right time for me to step aside, find out some things about myself and have the opportunity to do some things outside football."

It was the first time he was away from football. He had played quarterback in high school and went on to Rice University after a one-year stop at Tennessee, where he was Peyton Manning's teammate. Actually, his education began long before college.

Because of his father, who coached at seven colleges and for seven NFL teams, Bates grew up around the game. He was a 3-year-old ball boy at Texas Tech, sleeping in the dorms during summer camp and hanging around at practice. At 17, he was a ball boy for the Cleveland Browns, whose quarterback, Vinny Testaverde, became his pupil when he coached the Jets' quarterbacks in 2005 under Herm Edwards.

In a way, Bates has been victimized by bad timing, as he walked into three one-and-done coaching situations. It's the ugly part of the business, and it took a toll on him. Before hiring him, Bowles wanted to make sure his head was in it. After all, a four-year absence is practically a generation in the NFL.

"You have to see if he has the desire to come back, why he left, why he wants to come back, where he is mentally," Bowles said. "Then you have to make an executive decision. Jeremy was all the things I was looking for."

Always a hunch he would return

Coaches and players describe Bates as bright, meticulous, demanding and direct. He already has a comfort level with new offensive coordinator John Morton, as they worked together on Carroll's staff at USC.

Josh McCown said Bates tweaked his footwork in 2012, when they were together in Chicago. Bates taught him to throw from a shoulder-width base, improving his velocity. That adjustment, McCown said, "helped propel me to play into my late 30s because I felt like I got a little more juice on the ball. I give him a lot of credit."

Hackenberg, who has struggled with accuracy, revamped his footwork and showed signs of improvement in the spring. The Jets hope it's the Bates Effect.

"This guy knows what he’s talking about," Gruden said. "This guy is a hard-ass guy, he’s a tough guy. He’s not going to let you step with your right foot if he wants you to step with your left foot. If he wants a little stagger in your feet, have your feet staggered. If he wants you to read a progression this way, you'd better read it that way or he's going to jump your ass."

While away from the game, Bates lived in Colorado and was into snowboarding. As for football, he didn't go cold turkey. He did his own "projects," according to his father, exercises that involved breaking down game tape. He also attended a couple of camps with Shanahan, who always had a hunch Bates would return to coaching.

It's not going to take long for Jeremy to get back into the swing of things," Shanahan said. "He was a very bright guy who was always on top of his game. To get a guy like Jeremy, with his background and his mentality of X's and O's, I think they got themselves a pretty special guy. He'll be at the top of the food chain when it's all done."

Bates, in his only media availability since being hired, was reluctant to talk in detail about his four-year hiatus. He wants to focus on now. He's reunited with his first love, hoping he can scale new mountains.

"At the end of the day, I think it made me a better person," he said. "I think it made me a better teacher. I look forward to being a coach."