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NFL's best (and worst) arsenals: 32-1 offensive weapons ranking.. we're... LAST :(

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Tony MaC

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No duh. The most nationally well known weapon we have is an over the hill Matt Forte, and the most proven WR is a guy who has never reached 1k yards. 

You'd have to be pretty dishonest with yourself to call this bunch of rookies and small sample sizes anything but the worst set of weapons... for now. They have to prove they're otherwise, and now that there's no other alternative they'll get their chance.

 

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18 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

To be fair, it's hard to find wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs when you only have three drafts and inherited $60 mil in cap space.

This is typically sarcastic, but also right on the money.  I think this is a point that gets more and more attention as the year goes forward.

FWIW, on NFL Sirius earlier in the week, the commentators were saying that the Gettleman and Dorsey firings were do to their being pure scouts without the ability to manage the entire organization.  What do the Jets have?

FWIW2, these predictions are seldom correct (I think people may have pegged the Browns right over the last few years).  There are always surprises.  The Jets are being ranked last by everyone in many categories.  It can't end up that bad....or can it.

If it does, people are getting fired.  I don't see Macc and Bowles surviving that.

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13 minutes ago, varjet said:

This is typically sarcastic, but also right on the money.  I think this is a point that gets more and more attention as the year goes forward.

FWIW, on NFL Sirius earlier in the week, the commentators were saying that the Gettleman and Dorsey firings were do to their being pure scouts without the ability to manage the entire organization.  What do the Jets have?

FWIW2, these predictions are seldom correct (I think people may have pegged the Browns right over the last few years).  There are always surprises.  The Jets are being ranked last by everyone in many categories.  It can't end up that bad....or can it.

If it does, people are getting fired.  I don't see Macc and Bowles surviving that.

Yep.  They look horrible, but that is mainly because we don't know who most of these guys are.  We always complain about not giving young guys a shot, well here is their shot.  If they all suck, people should be fired because even with no FA money you should be able to locate some talent in three years and you should be able to find NFL players outside of the top 6 of the draft.  What scares me is the general idea around here that tanking is good which is supposed to somehow make a sh*tty talent level acceptable. 

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18 minutes ago, varjet said:

This is typically sarcastic, but also right on the money.  I think this is a point that gets more and more attention as the year goes forward.

FWIW, on NFL Sirius earlier in the week, the commentators were saying that the Gettleman and Dorsey firings were do to their being pure scouts without the ability to manage the entire organization.  What do the Jets have?

FWIW2, these predictions are seldom correct (I think people may have pegged the Browns right over the last few years).  There are always surprises.  The Jets are being ranked last by everyone in many categories.  It can't end up that bad....or can it.

If it does, people are getting fired.  I don't see Macc and Bowles surviving that.

The knock on Maccagnan was that the job would be too big for him, and it seems spot on. Darron Lee, Leo, and Jamal Adams could become Pro Bowlers and the Jets won't sniff 8-8 within the next two years because they're so wretched at the positions that matter. Best case scenario is they don't whiff on the QB pick next year and he shows promise, but it'll still take two years until that equates to victories. Mac painted himself into a corner because he loved Fitzpatrick and Hackenberg.

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8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The knock on Maccagnan was that the job would be too big for him, and it seems spot on. Darron Lee, Leo, and Jamal Adams could become Pro Bowlers and the Jets won't sniff 8-8 within the next two years because they're so wretched at the positions that matter. Best case scenario is they don't whiff on the QB pick next year and he shows promise, but it'll still take two years until that equates to victories. Mac painted himself into a corner because he loved Fitzpatrick and Hackenberg.

i wouldn't go so far to say he loved fitz.  maybe he was bowled over by fitz' performance in 2015 and thought he could do the same in 2016.  many people were very hopeful.  it didn't work out.  the vets mailed it in and here the team is.  we can only hope that both mac and bowles have learned from what happened and have made the changes necessary to turn their games and the team around.

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12 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The knock on Maccagnan was that the job would be too big for him, and it seems spot on. Darron Lee, Leo, and Jamal Adams could become Pro Bowlers and the Jets won't sniff 8-8 within the next two years because they're so wretched at the positions that matter. Best case scenario is they don't whiff on the QB pick next year and he shows promise, but it'll still take two years until that equates to victories. Mac painted himself into a corner because he loved Fitzpatrick and Hackenberg.

If Hack does not cut it this season, Macc may not get to pick the next QB. 

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24 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

If Hack does not cut it this season, Macc may not get to pick the next QB. 

Which is the terrifying thing we're dealing with at present. There are three possible outcomes to this:

1. Macc was right about Hackenberg and he tears up the league. 

2. Hackenberg is meh but the Jets convince their base that Hack going from "sucks" to "meh" points to a trajectory that results in greatness. 

3. Hack sucks, Jets get a top-three pick, Maccagnan gets to choose.

4. Hack sucks, Maccagnan and Bowles fired, Jets scramble to fill both jobs while soon-to-be-dropped scouts look at QB prospects. 

 

All but #1 is bad, and the chances of #1 happening are infinitesimal.

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51 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i wouldn't go so far to say he loved fitz.  maybe he was bowled over by fitz' performance in 2015 and thought he could do the same in 2016.  many people were very hopeful.  it didn't work out.  the vets mailed it in and here the team is.  we can only hope that both mac and bowles have learned from what happened and have made the changes necessary to turn their games and the team around.

None of this speaks well of Macc, though. He either liked Fitzpatrick or got snowed by Fitzpatrick, even though Fitzpatrick has a well-documented history of inconsistent play.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Which is the terrifying thing we're dealing with at present. There are three possible outcomes to this:

1. Macc was right about Hackenberg and he tears up the league. 

2. Hackenberg is meh but the Jets convince their base that Hack going from "sucks" to "meh" points to a trajectory that results in greatness. 

3. Hack sucks, Jets get a top-three pick, Maccagnan gets to choose.

4. Hack sucks, Maccagnan and Bowles fired, Jets scramble to fill both jobs while soon-to-be-dropped scouts look at QB prospects. 

 

All but #1 is bad, and the chances of #1 happening are infinitesimal.

This is exactly what happens when your team has the worst QB situation in the division after three drafts and a ton of money. The biggest errors were the FA QB selections. Particularly at those prices. If Mauldin does not pan out and there is little improvement from 'Tiny' he will surely be on the hot seat. 

Three drafts and no feature PR End says a great deal about this GM. It looks like he picks players instead of building a team. Any coach would have difficulty here with this GM and his selections both in FA and the draft.

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23 minutes ago, Jetdawgg said:

This is exactly what happens when your team has the worst QB situation in the division after three drafts and a ton of money. The biggest errors were the FA QB selections. Particularly at those prices. If Mauldin does not pan out and there is little improvement from 'Tiny' he will surely be on the hot seat. 

Three drafts and no feature PR End says a great deal about this GM. It looks like he picks players instead of building a team. Any coach would have difficulty here with this GM and his selections both in FA and the draft.

The last three administrations this team has had each made the same error: confusing early success with sustainable success. They're the dude at the casino who wins $100 at the slot machine, loses it immediately, then runs the ATM to empty their bank account because that initial $100 win made them gambling experts. The problem with the Jets is that our owner, abetted by the media apparatus, also believes that winning $100 earns that dude a line of credit, no matter what. The fix for this--as it's always been--is to hire a President of Football Ops, who isn't worried about headlines or quick fixes, who can bitch slap a Bowles or a Maccagnan (and especially Woody) before they start throwing company money at the shiny, flashy slot machine. 

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48 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

The last three administrations this team has had each made the same error: confusing early success with sustainable success. They're the dude at the casino who wins $100 at the slot machine, loses it immediately, then runs the ATM to empty their bank account because that initial $100 win made them gambling experts. The problem with the Jets is that our owner, abetted by the media apparatus, also believes that winning $100 earns that dude a line of credit, no matter what. The fix for this--as it's always been--is to hire a President of Football Ops, who isn't worried about headlines or quick fixes, who can bitch slap a Bowles or a Maccagnan (and especially Woody) before they start throwing company money at the shiny, flashy slot machine. 

Funny you should mention a casino. The Jets remind me of AC right now

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3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The last three administrations this team has had each made the same error: confusing early success with sustainable success. They're the dude at the casino who wins $100 at the slot machine, loses it immediately, then runs the ATM to empty their bank account because that initial $100 win made them gambling experts. The problem with the Jets is that our owner, abetted by the media apparatus, also believes that winning $100 earns that dude a line of credit, no matter what. The fix for this--as it's always been--is to hire a President of Football Ops, who isn't worried about headlines or quick fixes, who can bitch slap a Bowles or a Maccagnan (and especially Woody) before they start throwing company money at the shiny, flashy slot machine. 

i agree with tis to a certain extent.  maybe mac should've kept kept his powder dry in 2015 and not deal for marshall or sign revis , gilchrist, and skrine.  would that have made a whole lot of difference?  imo, no.  if he didn't sign those guys then he still would've had to find the bodies from the free agent pool or undrafted jags.  at the very least he made 2015 an interesting year and also part of 2016.  we'l just have to see if mac has picked enough gems to make 2017 interesting.

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6 hours ago, rangerous said:

i agree with tis to a certain extent.  maybe mac should've kept kept his powder dry in 2015 and not deal for marshall or sign revis , gilchrist, and skrine.  would that have made a whole lot of difference?  imo, no.  if he didn't sign those guys then he still would've had to find the bodies from the free agent pool or undrafted jags.  at the very least he made 2015 an interesting year and also part of 2016.  we'l just have to see if mac has picked enough gems to make 2017 interesting.

Spoiler alert! (He didn't)

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I wish the Jets were like one of the many teams we've seen over the years who tear it all down to the foundation for a rebuild and still field a team of pro-bowlers.

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7 hours ago, rangerous said:

i agree with tis to a certain extent.  maybe mac should've kept kept his powder dry in 2015 and not deal for marshall or sign revis , gilchrist, and skrine.  would that have made a whole lot of difference?  imo, no.  if he didn't sign those guys then he still would've had to find the bodies from the free agent pool or undrafted jags.  at the very least he made 2015 an interesting year and also part of 2016.  we'l just have to see if mac has picked enough gems to make 2017 interesting.

I think the difference - with the benefit of hindsight - is that the team is in Year 1 of a rebuild in 2017, rather than Year 3.

Had we made the playoffs in 2015 this may be viewed in a different light, and partly justify the "competitive rebuild" approach. Thing is while were competitive in 2015, the "rebuild" part got rather more neglected than it should have.

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14 hours ago, T0mShane said:

To be fair, it's hard to find wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs when you only have three drafts and inherited $60 mil in cap space.

To be fair, it's hard to find wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs when you only draft defensive players. Ever.

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17 hours ago, Beerfish said:

As I've said before this gives the lousy Qb prospect and the head coach a total free pass this year and next.  No weapons, not Bowles fault!

Do you think that based on the talent that Bowles is extra safe if he wins 5 games?

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36 minutes ago, Warfish said:

"Hack had no weapons. It wasn't a fair chance. He must be the starter in 2018".

Groundhog Day!!!

We are going to have to bring back Decker and improve the OLine next year if we want to fairly grade Hack. :)

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1 hour ago, New York Mick said:

You post novel length stuff all the time then leave just a link when you could of posted the damn list. 

dear ny mick, hi !.. sorry/i apol. for not posting the article. i'm still having some " computer issues "   :(

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