Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I know jet fans are aching for "franchise QB" but trading up probably will kill us in the longrun. First off it would cost ALOT. Just to move a few spots we would likely cost the 6th pick,both 2nds, next years first, and maybe something else. Thats not worth it considering all the holes we have. Also lets be honest over the past 20 years all these "franchise qbs" that are taken at the top of the draft usually fizzle out. The only guys i can think of that actually won were the mannings. Luck was/is ultra-talented but even he hasnt led the colts anywhere. We should stay put to see if someone drops or trade back to gain extra picks and select Another qb who might be getting less coverage than the other 4 but still has talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 You're not fooling us, Mrs. McCown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I agree that trading up is expensive I also agree that some QBs found in later rounds can win Super Bowls. solution: draft Luke Falk at 6 and order them rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 It is 100% worth it, if the guy becomes a franchise guy. Do you think Philly regrets trading for Wentz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, pointman said: You're not fooling us, Mrs. McCown! First off i hate the mccown signing. Secondly are you honestly ready to give away all our high picks for the next two years for someone who is an unknown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Rams, and Eagles traded up for Goff, and Wentz. That paid off. Chiefs and Texans traded up for Mahomes, and Watson. That paid off. The guys coming this year have much more hype than both classes listed above. And taking a chance on a late round QB has worked SO well for us in the past, hasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I know jet fans are aching for "franchise QB" but trading up probably will kill us in the longrun. First off it would cost ALOT. Just to move a few spots we would likely cost the 6th pick,both 2nds, next years first, and maybe something else. Thats not worth it considering all the holes we have. Also lets be honest over the past 20 years all these "franchise qbs" that are taken at the top of the draft usually fizzle out. The only guys i can think of that actually won were the mannings. Luck was/is ultra-talented but even he hasnt led the colts anywhere. We should stay put to see if someone drops or trade back to gain extra picks and select Another qb who might be getting less coverage than the other 4 but still has talent we should trade this years draft and next years draft for Clevelands 1 and 4 and take Barkley and Rosen that is all little Ditka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, johnnysd said: It is 100% worth it, if the guy becomes a franchise guy. Do you think Philly regrets trading for Wentz? Well to be fair foles was their guy that won it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Yeah trading up, a few of us awful doom sayers said that a few extra meaningless wins would screw come this draft and that is what happened. Do you think the Eagles and the Rams are horrified a their large blunders in trading up for their QBS? QB is so much more important than any other position you have to go get one. And using the excuse that we are going to lose all that draft value? Go look at the Jets 2nd round picks over the last 15 years and watch your eyes bleed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If you think the QB is there, it is 100000% worth trading up. If not, you 100000% take a QB at 6. But, we wont because BAP and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 I'd only trade up for Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The reasons we should not trade up for a QB and lose all that draft capital... Christian Hackenburg Devin Smith Jace Amaro Geno Smith Stephen Hill Vlad Ducasse I mean with a murderers Row of 2nd rounders like these why would we ever want to expend draft capital to trade up for a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I know jet fans are aching for "franchise QB" but trading up probably will kill us in the longrun. First off it would cost ALOT. Just to move a few spots we would likely cost the 6th pick,both 2nds, next years first, and maybe something else. Thats not worth it considering all the holes we have. Also lets be honest over the past 20 years all these "franchise qbs" that are taken at the top of the draft usually fizzle out. The only guys i can think of that actually won were the mannings. Luck was/is ultra-talented but even he hasnt led the colts anywhere. We should stay put to see if someone drops or trade back to gain extra picks and select Another qb who might be getting less coverage than the other 4 but still has talent Stop. Everyone on the planet would trade Darron Lee, Christian Hackenberg, Jordan Jenkins, and Jamal Adams for Carson Wentz or Jared Goff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, JiF said: If you think the QB is there, it is 100000% worth trading up. If not, you 100000% take a QB at 6. But, we wont because BAP and stuff. Williams and adams were awesome picks. Passing on them would have been ****in stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Trading up is far from a mistake. It is the smartest thing they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Jets723 said: Williams and adams were awesome picks. Passing on them would have been ****in stupid Williams ash been good but not dominant, Adams is a run stuffing box safety. If you are picking those non premium position the players better be perennial pro bowlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: Trading up is far from a mistake. It is the smartest thing they can do. I know fans like the "sexy" names but those types of guys havent really won in past years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Williams and adams were awesome picks. Passing on them would have been ****in stupid Marshon Lattimore says whatup. And I'm betting Pat Mahomes is going to be pretty good this year. Those were the two players I wanted ahead of Adams. Can't argue with you on Williams. But really, good teams don't take strong safeties @ 6. If Adams were Sean Taylor, I'd have been all for it. But he's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Yeah trading up, a few of us awful doom sayers said that a few extra meaningless wins would screw come this draft and that is what happened. Do you think the Eagles and the Rams are horrified a their large blunders in trading up for their QBS? QB is so much more important than any other position you have to go get one. And using the excuse that we are going to lose all that draft value? Go look at the Jets 2nd round picks over the last 15 years and watch your eyes bleed. Exactly. We had the option to easily lock up the 2nd pick. After trading Richardson for future pick, and not spending jets made it known they weren’t going all in last yr. It was the perfect yr to give petty one last try and see if there was anything in Hackenberg. What would it have hurt ? If they were that bad ( we know petty is now ) the worst thing that could happen would be we pick 2nd in the draft. What a devastating season that would have been. At least now we can hold our heads high knowing we won 5 games not 2 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I know jet fans are aching for "franchise QB" but trading up probably will kill us in the longrun. First off it would cost ALOT. Just to move a few spots we would likely cost the 6th pick,both 2nds, next years first, and maybe something else. Thats not worth it considering all the holes we have. Also lets be honest over the past 20 years all these "franchise qbs" that are taken at the top of the draft usually fizzle out. The only guys i can think of that actually won were the mannings. Luck was/is ultra-talented but even he hasnt led the colts anywhere. We should stay put to see if someone drops or trade back to gain extra picks and select Another qb who might be getting less coverage than the other 4 but still has talent Oh clearly it would cost too much... The Jets have such a wonderful track record drafting in the 2nd round. Not to mention about every other 1st round pick turns out to be a waste too. And the Jets have done a marvelous job specifically evaluating QB talent in the 2nd round and beyond over the years. THERE IS NO FUTURE WITHOUT A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK. Thus, a team cannot give up too much to try and acquire one. PERIOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Marshon Lattimore says whatup. And I'm betting Pat Mahomes is going to be pretty good this year. Those were the two players I wanted ahead of Adams. Can't argue with you on Williams. But really, good teams don't take strong safeties @ 6. If Adams were Sean Taylor, I'd have been all for it. But he's not. Jamal adams is gonna get even better after a great rookie year...be a little fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I know fans like the "sexy" names but those types of guys havent really won in past years When are people going to realize winning requires a team, not a single player. Also, all these top pick guys in the last 6 years have all played postseason football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Williams and adams were awesome picks. Passing on them would have been ****in stupid Excuse me? A S and DT? Are you ******* kidding me? Over a QB? What world do you live in, sir? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Jets literally hurt their future with trying to get to 5 wins. It sucks, it happened, it's done. You don't compound that by not trying to get a qb by any means necessary. we've tried it your way a million times. It doesn't work. Let's try getting a qb, preferably one that doesn't suffer massive accuracy issues and can comprehend plays and defenses and time zones and stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, Beerfish said: The reasons we should not trade up for a QB and lose all that draft capital... Christian Hackenburg Devin Smith Jace Amaro Geno Smith Stephen Hill Vlad Ducasse I mean with a murderers Row of 2nd rounders like these why would we ever want to expend draft capital to trad up for a QB? I enjoyed this post way too much and forced others to listen to me read it to them as they stared without care. But I still loved it, Beerfish, I still loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, JiF said: Excuse me? A S and DT? Are you ******* kidding me? Over a QB? What world do you live in, sir? Calm down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScarletKnight89 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 If you draft a guy who becomes your franchise QB it can not hurt you in the long run. It can only help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jets723 said: A world where id love to slit your throat Uh that got dark real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jets723 said: A world where id love to slit your throat A little angry there, little fella? Relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Just now, Jets Voice of Reason said: Uh that got dark real quick. forgot to take Midol today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Calm down Relax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: Jets literally hurt their future with trying to get to 5 wins. It sucks, it happened, it's done. You don't compound that by not trying to get a qb by any means necessary. we've tried it your way a million times. It doesn't work. Let's try getting a qb, preferably one that doesn't suffer massive accuracy issues and can comprehend plays and defenses and time zones and stuff like that. We traded up for mark Sanchez. How did that work out ? It’s fun to draft a “ maybe he can be “ franchise qb. These days you can trade or sign for a quality “proven” qb. Keenum, Smith Collins, ect. Rather than give up valuable picks for a qb “who may be good.” Instead we should be like Philly. Do what is not as fun but more responsible, build line through draft. Olineman coming out are much less likely to be a bust then qbs. Instead of wasting hackenberg pick, we could have had a solid young Olineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jets723 Posted March 14, 2018 Author Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Jetsplayer21 said: We traded up for mark Sanchez. How did that work out ? It’s fun to draft a “ maybe he can be “ franchise qb. These days you can trade or sign for a quality qb. Keenum, Smith Collins, ect. Rather than give up valuable picks for a qb “who may be good.” Instead we should be like Philly. Do what is not as fun but more responsible, build line through draft. Olineman coming out are much less likely to be a bust then qbs. Instead of wasting hackenberg pick, we could have had a solid young Olineman. Excellent Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Wow, that guy needs to chill. jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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