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Can anyone share what he does well. Any good YouTube video breakdowns of why the team around him was at fault? Trying to learn a little more then just that he’s got one hell of an arm. 

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can't really vote unless I know what my choices are. I think this covers most of the 2-QB combinations assuming it comes down to a 2 QB choice:

Allen vs Darnold: Darnold

Allen vs Rosen: Rosen

Allen vs Mayfield: the most likely scenario for Mac. Toughest decision of all 6.  I lean toward Mayfield.  I can't get over the how Allen struggles on short/midrange passes.  

Mayfield vs Darnold: Darnold

Mayfield vs Rosen: Rosen

Rosen vs Darnold:  least likely scenario but baby if this is the choice it would be incredible.  I lean towards Darnold but couldn't begin to defend myself if I tried.

3-way combinations are much easier:

Darnold, Mayfield, or Allen: Darnold

Darnold, Mayfield or Rosen: Darnold

Darnold, Allen or Rosen: Darnold

Rosen, Allen, or Mayfield: Rosen (this is the most likely 3-way QB choice scenario)

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For all the people killing Allen because of his completion percentage Jay cutler had a similar completion percentage playing with nobodies at vanderbilt

 

a part of completion percentage is the receiver actually catching the ball

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2 minutes ago, MDL_JET said:

Can anyone share what he does well. Any good YouTube video breakdowns of why the team around him was at fault? Trying to learn a little more then just that he’s got one hell of an arm. 

Played in a pro style offensem, not just a great arm but also mobile and ideal size, played very well at the senior bowl

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5 minutes ago, morny said:

I think he will take a lot of development, and there is legit question marks over him as a pro. I'd much prefer we took Mayfield (or Darnold or Rosen, but I'm assuming they'r both gone in this example). 

That said, if we take him at 3, even though I think he's a (big) reach - I'll be all in on supporting him, and I'll be looking forward to him coming in and seeing how he does. For 2 reasons

(1) I don't think it does him any good to be constantly against him from the start, regardless of what people think of the pick. An excited, welcoming atmosphere would go a long way to aiding his development. 

(2) I'm too tired to be negative, I just want to be excited and look forward to the potential of our new QB. I'm a strong believer in enjoying being a supporter, and therefore I want to try and enjoy the moments where we have things to legitimately look forward to. 

If he shows anything people will not be against him.  Even if his early play has errors as long as he shows something great people will give him a chance.  Hackenburg was buried because he showed nothing from day one.

The other big factor is that the jets showed with how they handle petty and hack they have no clue in the world how to develop a qb.  Todd bowles will be like john fox and jeff fisher in how they handle the QB.

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If Darnold and Rosen are gone then yes I’d like Allen.  As of now Mayfield is 4th on the list but I want to watch a lot more of everyone’s games. The only guys I sunk a lot of time into during the season were Darnold and Rosen.

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

If he shows anything people will not be against him.  Even if his early play has errors as long as he shows something great people will give him a chance.  Hackenburg was buried because he showed nothing from day one.

The other big factor is that the jets showed with how they handle petty and hack they have no clue in the world how to develop a qb.  Todd bowles will be like john fox and jeff fisher in how they handle the QB.

Yeah, I agree about the development thing, that's a big concern. I'm hoping that Bates is really the savant he is being built into and can take Allen (if it's him) and make him something great. 

Fwiw he just doesn't seem a great fit for what we're trying to do, a West Coast offence with dink and dunking. From the stuff I've seen and read of him, he seems more like an old school big armed guy, and is iffy on the short range stuff. This is why Mayfield would make more sense. 

The way everyone was talking at the combine, we loved Mayfield and properly fell for him. I hope it isn't a case that we liked him at the combine, loved his interview but then are letting doubts about his size etc... creep in and then talking ourselves into a 'prototype'. 

 

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Is there a private workout being scheduled with Allen by the Jets?  If so, that could be the event where he either places himself ahead or behind Mayfield as the Jets's 3rd choice.

Also, how do those private workouts go?  Can the team request specific throws, utilize their own WRs, setup certain scenarios to test his decision-making and short/intermediate accuracy?

Wouldn't it be fun to design a workout to test Josh Allen (or any of these guys) with an emphasis on perceived weaknesses?

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5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If he shows anything people will not be against him.  Even if his early play has errors as long as he shows something great people will give him a chance.  Hackenburg was buried because he showed nothing from day one.

The other big factor is that the jets showed with how they handle petty and hack they have no clue in the world how to develop a qb.  Todd bowles will be like john fox and jeff fisher in how they handle the QB.

A bigger concern than coaching is we have nothing at WR and TE  currently 

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

For all the people killing Allen because of his completion percentage Jay cutler had a similar completion percentage playing with nobodies at vanderbilt

 

a part of completion percentage is the receiver actually catching the ball

Brian Billick on his mistake selecting Kyle Boller:

For these three, the qualifiers were very specific. With Palmer, people were worried about his leadership ability. He did not seem to have a lot of the personal charisma that you normally associate with a quarterback. Although he was a bright and intelligent young man, you came out of the interview not real fired up about him as a leader. Such was not the case with the next two. Leftwich and Boller had energy and leadership ability in spades. The concerns with Leftwich were his previous injuries and lack of mobility in the pocket. For Boller it was his accuracy.

With Boller, we decided that the lack of quality receivers at Cal was a significant part of the reason for his lack of accuracy.

Eventually, we were able to secure the New England Patriots' first-round pick, the 19th overall, which we used to take Boller. Within a couple of years, we learned that Boller's inaccuracy was not solely a result of the poor receivers at Cal, but also Kyle's occasional nervousness in the pocket, which forced his fundamentals to falter at critical times, and has left him a sub-60 percent completion guy thus far in his career.

 

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Just now, Jetscode1 said:

I'm all in for Josh Allen.

F the haters.  They won’t be happy unless we draft a drunken midget qb like Mayfield or sign a Fitzcraptrick clone like AJ McCarron

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1 minute ago, Dcat said:

Brian Billick on his mistake selecting Kyle Boller:

For these three, the qualifiers were very specific. With Palmer, people were worried about his leadership ability. He did not seem to have a lot of the personal charisma that you normally associate with a quarterback. Although he was a bright and intelligent young man, you came out of the interview not real fired up about him as a leader. Such was not the case with the next two. Leftwich and Boller had energy and leadership ability in spades. The concerns with Leftwich were his previous injuries and lack of mobility in the pocket. For Boller it was his accuracy.

With Boller, we decided that the lack of quality receivers at Cal was a significant part of the reason for his lack of accuracy.

Eventually, we were able to secure the New England Patriots' first-round pick, the 19th overall, which we used to take Boller. Within a couple of years, we learned that Boller's inaccuracy was not solely a result of the poor receivers at Cal, but also Kyle's occasional nervousness in the pocket, which forced his fundamentals to falter at critical times, and has left him a sub-60 percent completion guy thus far in his career.

 

Can you forward this to Mac ASAP? Thanks. 

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13 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

For all the people killing Allen because of his completion percentage Jay cutler had a similar completion percentage playing with nobodies at vanderbilt

 

a part of completion percentage is the receiver actually catching the ball

Matthew Stafford had under 60% too for 2 out of 3 years. His senior season was 61.5%. 

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2 minutes ago, Dcat said:

Brian Billick on his mistake selecting Kyle Boller:

For these three, the qualifiers were very specific. With Palmer, people were worried about his leadership ability. He did not seem to have a lot of the personal charisma that you normally associate with a quarterback. Although he was a bright and intelligent young man, you came out of the interview not real fired up about him as a leader. Such was not the case with the next two. Leftwich and Boller had energy and leadership ability in spades. The concerns with Leftwich were his previous injuries and lack of mobility in the pocket. For Boller it was his accuracy.

With Boller, we decided that the lack of quality receivers at Cal was a significant part of the reason for his lack of accuracy.

Eventually, we were able to secure the New England Patriots' first-round pick, the 19th overall, which we used to take Boller. Within a couple of years, we learned that Boller's inaccuracy was not solely a result of the poor receivers at Cal, but also Kyle's occasional nervousness in the pocket, which forced his fundamentals to falter at critical times, and has left him a sub-60 percent completion guy thus far in his career.

 

Hey list me the big 12 qbs from the last 15+ years who were actually good in the nfl

 

I’ll hang up and listen

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5 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

If he shows anything people will not be against him.  Even if his early play has errors as long as he shows something great people will give him a chance.  Hackenburg was buried because he showed nothing from day one.

The other big factor is that the jets showed with how they handle petty and hack they have no clue in the world how to develop a qb.  Todd bowles will be like john fox and jeff fisher in how they handle the QB.

That's the scariest part of all this.  The Jets need the most developed / pro ready QB available at #3.  If they need to teach and develop a QB prospect (even a physically gifted one like Allen) then my confidence in this working out longterm drops like a rock.  In terms of pure readiness (guys who required the least development) I think it's Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, then Allen.  

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