jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Bowles- 2015, 1st time head coach inherits 4-12 record, last place schedule with 100 mil in cap space, Mac at GM with Geno/Fitz at QB and they win 10 Games Gase- 2019, 1st time head coach inherits 4-12 record, last place schedule with 100 mil in cap space, Mac at GM with Darnold at QB. What is a realistic win total for his first year that would convince you we hired the right guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Gase/Mac will be on the hot seat if he's under .500. Both get canned if they win 5 or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, CTM said: Gase/Mac will be on the hot seat if he's under .500. Both get canned if they win 5 or 6. Woodys back next year isn’t he? Wonder if that comes into play if the season goes south again. I could see both being canned together next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, CTM said: Gase/Mac will be on the hot seat if he's under .500. Both get canned if they win 5 or 6. You think they both get canned in 1 year if they dont exceed 6 wins? Thats rough man hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: Woodys back next year isn’t he? Wonder if that comes into play if the season goes south again. I could see both being canned together next season. It's the most unlikely outcome tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, CTM said: It's the most unlikely outcome tbh. but how many wins is fair to expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, jetspenguin said: but how many wins is fair to expect? 9 You keep your GM and let him pick a coach, it's year 5. 100M in cap room = they build roster of choice. Pats falling off, Buffalo stinks. Miami stinks 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, jetspenguin said: but how many wins is fair to expect? 7 or 8 at minimum but we don't have enough information yet. 9 or 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 It’s not about wins for me in the short term. This coaching decision is all about developing Darnold. So long as we responsibly allocate our cap and draft (haha, Macc), I expect Darnold to pass for 4,500 yards, 30 TD’s and have a 2:1 TD to INT ratio next year. If that is accomplished, Gase will have been a good hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Woodys back next year isn’t he? Wonder if that comes into play if the season goes south again. I could see both being canned together next season. To suggest that Woody was not at least counseled in all of this is vapid thinking. I love my sister, but I do not put her in total charge of a billion dollar enterprise, unfettered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 I honestly dont think they get to 7 wins this year but expect them to look better both offensively and defensively which will appease a lot of fans because of the garbage we have grown accustomed to the last 7 years or so. Just the slightest sign of life and he will be given a little more rope by those that today want to hang him by his shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: but how many wins is fair to expect? 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 He has to go to the playoffs..Should be fired immediately afterward if he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 My expectations are the playoffs. Everything that happens from now until the season opener better be focused on that. Eight years is long enough, the QB is here and they specifically hired Gase, get it done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestige Worldwide Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If Gase was our coach last season, he definately would have closed the browns and packers game. He's a better coach then Bowles. So, make that 6-10. So i expect another 2 or 3 game improvement. Give me 8 or 9 wins, with a shot at the end, and I'll be happy going into 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: It’s not about wins for me in the short term. This coaching decision is all about developing Darnold. So long as we responsibly allocate our cap and draft (haha, Macc), I expect Darnold to pass for 4,500 yards, 30 TD’s and have a 2:1 TD to INT ratio next year. If that is accomplished, Gase will have been a good hire. Well this is why I included the cap space....Mac's choices will go a long way to determining how many wins we have. I think to some degree none of these nincompoops will prevent Sam's development but if it doesnt translate to wins then we are treading water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, KRL said: My expectations are the playoffs. Everything that happens from now until the season opener better be focused on that. Eight years is long enough, the QB is here and they specifically hired Gase, get it done Right, does anyone really expect this guy to pull that off? I don't. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Honestly I think playoffs are a fair expectation. His job is to coach Darnold into taking a leap and if Darnold takes a leap we could easily be a playoff team. How he's viewed after one year will be heavily intertwined with how Darnold performs though, regardless of record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, KRL said: My expectations are the playoffs. Everything that happens from now until the season opener better be focused on that. Eight years is long enough, the QB is here and they specifically hired Gase, get it done those training camp report should be pretty interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killa7 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Stark said: 7 or 8 at minimum but we don't have enough information yet. 9 or 10? exactly - not enough info. If we go in with same roster, and just new coach (I know this will not be, but that's all we got right now) could you really expect more than 6-7 wins? I mean really? Now if they go get Le'Veon, or AB (sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a lil) and maybe get a Bosa? yeah then expectations go up. Point is, this will hopefully be a new team next year, so you have to take that into account with the new HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Honestly I think playoffs are a fair expectation. His job is to coach Darnold into taking a leap and if Darnold takes a leap we could easily be a playoff team. How he's viewed after one year will be heavily intertwined with how Darnold performs though, regardless of record. if we get him a #1 wideout, a decent line I think we can win some games whether or not we sign Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: To suggest that Woody was not at least counseled in all of this is vapid thinking. I love my sister, but I do not put her in total charge of a billion dollar enterprise, unfettered. Most likely. The opportunity to hire a President of Football Operations presented itself when Woody took the ambassador position. Instead, he puts his brother in charge, a guy with even less business experience than Woody. The structure is this way for a reason. The Johnsons want control over the day to day. It’s just never going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Short Lesh, no honeymoon. I think the fans will be hostile from day one. At this point I can't see how this ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Legend Killa7 said: exactly - not enough info. If we go in with same roster, and just new coach (I know this will not be, but that's all we got right now) could you really expect more than 6-7 wins? I mean really? Now if they go get Le'Veon, or AB (sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a lil) and maybe get a Bosa? yeah then expectations go up. Point is, this will hopefully be a new team next year, so you have to take that into account with the new HC. Then why not keep Bowles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I think they can get to 8-8 or maybe squeak out 9-7, with the right FA and draft moves. (No guarantee of those, of course.) I think they're 1 OT, 1 G, 1 C, 1 WR, 1 DE and 1LB away from being a team that can be a threat week to week. I highly doubt they'll be able to address all of that this offseason though, so they'll still have exploitable holes. Even at 8-8 though, I believe they'll be much more exciting to watch. I really do think Gase will do his best to keep them competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, DMan77 said: I think they can get to 8-8 or maybe squeak out 9-7, with the right FA and draft moves. (No guarantee of those, of course.) I think they're 1 OT, 1 G, 1 C, 1 WR, 1 DE and 1LB away from being a team that can be a threat week to week. I highly doubt they'll be able to address all of that this offseason though, so they'll still have exploitable holes. Even at 8-8 though, I believe they'll be much more exciting to watch. I really do think Gase will do his best to keep them competitive. I'm sure he'll do "His" best. But there's literally NO reason to believe his best is good enough to keep them competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, jetspenguin said: Bowles- 2015, 1st time head coach inherits 4-12 record, last place schedule with 100 mil in cap space, Mac at GM with Geno/Fitz at QB and they win 10 Games Gase- 2019, 1st time head coach inherits 4-12 record, last place schedule with 100 mil in cap space, Mac at GM with Darnold at QB. What is a realistic win total for his first year that would convince you we hired the right guy? I don't care about year 1. I want a super Bowl before he is gone. Nothing more, nothing less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Then why not keep Bowles? dude, you just made me fart when I read that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killa7 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Then why not keep Bowles? I have always said that Bowles got screwed in 2017 and 2018. I'm not sure BB could have won with this team! But to me, Bowles blew it in 2015 and especially 2016! all he had to do was beat the Bills in 2015 - couldn't do it. In fact, they didn't even show up! that's on the coach. and 2016 was disgusting! They SHOULD have fired him then. going into rebuild mode at that point just was not fair to Bowles to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, DMan77 said: I think they can get to 8-8 or maybe squeak out 9-7, with the right FA and draft moves. (No guarantee of those, of course.) I think they're 1 OT, 1 G, 1 C, 1 WR, 1 DE and 1LB away from being a team that can be a threat week to week. I highly doubt they'll be able to address all of that this offseason though, so they'll still have exploitable holes. Even at 8-8 though, I believe they'll be much more exciting to watch. I really do think Gase will do his best to keep them competitive. unfortunately we might be 2 CB's away from getting to 8 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Most likely. The opportunity to hire a President of Football Operations presented itself when Woody took the ambassador position. Instead, he puts his brother in charge, a guy with even less business experience than Woody. The structure is this way for a reason. The Johnsons want control over the day to day. It’s just never going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Jets won 4 games this year and looking back they blew some games late. They could have conceivably won 7 games with better coaching. With 100 mill in cap space and a high draft pick, I'm looking for 8 or more wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Playoffs or everyone gets fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, CTM said: Gase/Mac will be on the hot seat if he's under .500. Both get canned if they win 5 or 6. I fully expect to be looking for a new GM and Head Coach next offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetspenguin Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, JiF said: I fully expect to be looking for a new GM and Head Coach next offseason. hahahahahahhaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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