Film Room: Sam Darnold's outside of the pocket nastiness.

[Jet_Engine1]

3 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

He’s never called you dud/dudette? It’s one of his signature moves when he’s upset at someone...

Copy. LOL

[The Crusher]

23 minutes ago, CTM said:

Well, ok maybe but i didnt have a multimillion dollar contract and times were tough 

I respect that.

Plus you are 100% right. Sam’s best qualities are his athleticism and love for the game. He still needs to become automatic like Peyton in his prime.

But kid showed up with a bevy of stuff you can’t teach. We should all just be face pounding popcorn and bacon watching whatever happens next. Great time to be a Jet fan. Seems we are out of QB purgatory. We got a shot with this kid.  K-I-D kid. 

[HelenOfTroy]

16 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Thanks for always taking the time Auntie! 

I read all your posts, and I respect and trust your judgement.  I have certain posters on my board that I trust and learned from over the years, you are one for me on this board.

plus, you love to stir things up, like my brilliant nephews. ???

[CTM]

35 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

Joe Willy’s phone just alerted him again when you wrote “blown”.

You better knock it off with that s**t, dude/dudette...

Joe's willy is preoccupied. The men's international beach volleyball championship is live in HI today, cant miss TV

[HelenOfTroy]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

This "ball washer" sh*t is f*cking stupid. People are excited about having a young QB with actual top level talent (as opposed to every other terribly flawed QB prospect this team has had since....forever) and are rooting for him to succeed, and have no interest in tearing a 2nd year QB down with constant criticism, and they're "ball washers"? Give me a break. I was ready to just walk away from this crap fest of a team, Darnold is the ONLY THING that makes this team interesting or relevant. 

 

So, does the second year, 21 year old player need to improve? Yeah. No sh*t, Sherlocks. Solid analysis. But the same douchbags who are hyper critical about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE on the Jets while then dismissing the sh*t squad and garbage staff the kid played with while criticizing every aspect they can find on him to pick at are just kind of pathetic, sad, SOJ fans. 

My, my....got the vapors reading that! ?

[14 in Green]

20 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

My, my....got the vapors reading that! ?

We all know what gets you hot and sweaty, girlfriend ... ?

[HelenOfTroy]

19 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

We all know what gets you hot and sweaty, girlfriend ... ?

Yes, knocking over other women sprinting in front of the line when Nordstrom’s holds one of it’s semi-annual shoe sales.

The rest, forget it.

[DJF71]

8 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Just imagine getting this guy a pro caliber offensive line. 

 

Just imagine getting him a pro caliber offensive minded HC.

[NYs Stepchild]

2 hours ago, BettyBoop said:

That is my favorite 15:13 of the 2018 season.  Thanks for posting.  On the other hand, it looks like Beachum, Carpenter and even Harrison got beat on many of those plays.  Fix that!

Carpenter is gone. 

Don't forget that the line is a unit. 5 men to block 4. They work as a unit.

Some guys need to be doubled. Some need to be chipped by a TE or a back. Whatever it takes to keep the line's integrity.

It's also important to run screens, play action, and to run the ball effectively to keep the defense honest.

One of the most important, unnoticed things is the score. Having a lead makes pass blocking much easier.  

[DoubleDown]

Darnold is a special talent. If you can't see it, I'm not sure what you are watching. He's 21 years old and already showing the types of improvisation instincts seen from greats such as Rodgers, Favre, and Roethlisberger.

Invest heavily in the offensive line. Bring in an elite #1 WR. Watch the wins pile up for the next 10-15 years. It's really that simple.

 

[GREENBEAN]

7:20.. " And the Center falls down... Jesus."   lol 

That's a great quote and really sums up the whole very well. 

I'm happy we resigned Harrison, but it is obvious we need to upgrade that position as well as others on the OL. Center just may be the most important of all. Anyone watching this vid who still pounds the table for a D line in the 1st rd without a trade back is really missing the point. We NEED to upgrade this unit above all else. 

Long was atrocious and so was Winters. They seem confused but just flat out get beat much of the time.  We did a great thing by bringing Pollack in which is a strong place to start, but we just need better players. Winters may be able to be coached up but Harrison should be depth. Quality depth but still depth. 

I really liked how this isolated vid showed how Darnold has more than talent. He has the instincts needed to elevate a quality Qb to that next level.  The only thing I really fear is Darnold becoming shell shocked if he has another season or two running for his life. That can really ruin a Qb and remove the ability for him to stay in the pocket even when there is no reason to run away from it. Damn this kid is good though. 

[Villain The Foe]

13 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Carpenter is gone. 

Don't forget that the line is a unit. 5 men to block 4. They work as a unit.

Some guys need to be doubled. Some need to be chipped by a TE or a back. Whatever it takes to keep the line's integrity.

It's also important to run screens, play action, and to run the ball effectively to keep the defense honest.

One of the most important, unnoticed things is the score. Having a lead makes pass blocking much easier.  

Exactly. This has been my main position. 

The ultimate purpose is to score points. Points trumps any other stat that you can produce on a football field.

Right now the Jets are too inconsistent as a scoring offense, and its due to inconsistencies up front. 

The main problem I believe folks have when valuing Olineman is that this is pretty much the only position group that do not produce stats, and because of that fans typically have nothing to point to in respects to the importance of those players the way we can with Dlinemen with sacks, qb hits and TFL's.

However, Olinemen directly contribute to the success of the offense overall. Folks talk about how the QB touches the ball on every play, but guess what, that isnt true. Somtimes you can do a direct snap to the RB for example, but do you know who ACTUALLY touches the ball on every play? The Center. 

Look how terrible our Center play was and how he literally destroyed offensive drives. Look at how many times plays couldnt get off the ground because the offensive line were totally manhandled. 

We cant score points on a consistent basis, and if we cant do that then we're not going to win. These days you need two or even three pass rushers, but with great oline play and pop passes, even pass rushers have been rendered irrelevant by certain offenses. 

The offensive line is paramount, and it has been treated 2nd rate, and we havent won as an organization since disregarding the Oline. That's an absolute fact. 

[Smashmouth]

The key to what makes Darnold so good is that he keeps his eyes down field at all times, that's how he is able to see players come open or know they will come open based on what direction the defenders are going. The other QB's we have had here all stunk and always took their eyes off the field and that can never work. It's one of the keys to being a great QB, not to mention the throws Darnold makes at times are amazing even from a bad mechanical position he still somehow makes an accurate throw.

The other cool thing about some of those awkward throws is that he and his receivers seemed to always be on the same page and the receivers didn't give up on the play when Darnold got flushed out of the pocket. With a QB of Darnolds caliber his receivers must always keep their head in the game when a play breaks down 

[Smashmouth]

37 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. This has been my main position. 

The ultimate purpose is to score points. Points trumps any other stat that you can produce on a football field.

Right now the Jets are too inconsistent as a scoring offense, and its due to inconsistencies up front. 

The main problem I believe folks have when valuing Olineman is that this is pretty much the only position group that do not produce stats, and because of that fans typically have nothing to point to in respects to the importance of those players the way we can with Dlinemen with sacks, qb hits and TFL's.

However, Olinemen directly contribute to the success of the offense overall. Folks talk about how the QB touches the ball on every play, but guess what, that isnt true. Somtimes you can do a direct snap to the RB for example, but do you know who ACTUALLY touches the ball on every play? The Center. 

Look how terrible our Center play was and how he literally destroyed offensive drives. Look at how many times plays couldnt get off the ground because the offensive line were totally manhandled. 

We cant score points on a consistent basis, and if we cant do that then we're not going to win. These days you need two or even three pass rushers, but with great oline play and pop passes, even pass rushers have been rendered irrelevant by certain offenses. 

The offensive line is paramount, and it has been treated 2nd rate, and we havent won as an organization since disregarding the Oline. That's an absolute fact. 

With Bell and Crowder all the inconsistencies start to slowly go away. This line may not be top 10 but it can get close with one more solid addition. 

[Smashmouth]

21 hours ago, CTM said:

Darnold is a lot of fun to watch and would excel on the sandlot, but to be a top pro QB hes got to get better at efficiently running an offense on schedule and in the pocket. This other stuff is gravy.

The top QB's of the past 20 years(Brees, Manning, Brady)  do that with deadly consistancy.

They do but they have also all been in the same offense their entire careers. People forget how much that part of the game means to a QB. System is Important. I have had no faith in any of the systems run by this team the past 16 years. The other thing those QB;s have had is great Number 1 targets in the passing game. 

With that being said Darnold now has Bell and Crowder and an emerging Herndon. Add a real Number 1 to the mix we currently have and watch out

[Villain The Foe]

6 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

With Bell and Crowder all the inconsistencies start to slowly go away. This line may not be top 10 but it can get close with one more solid addition. 

Not really, Crowder has one of the highest fumble rates as a receiver and Bell benefited from rarely ever seeing 8 in the box given the receiving threats on the outside and on the seam for the Steelers. 

Bell is going from playing with arguably the best WR in the game and a #2 WR that would be #1 on alot of other teams, to teaming up with Robby Anderson, who is a solid player, but is a bit one dimensional in comparison to guys like AB. 

Also, the Steelers Oline was better than ours. Bells legendary patience was accompanied by the online maintaining blocks and not being constantly shedded. 

Our oline is being overrated by putting more responsibilities on other players like Darnold and Bell in order to compensate. 

Maybe we should simply get better offensive linemen. As I said, it doesnt matter how good Bell or Darnold is if we continue to get the performance at Center that we've experienced since Mangold left the team. 

We need stability at the online position in order to maximize our skillset position player's

 

[Bowles Movement]

18 hours ago, CTM said:

Lol, one things for certain, I didn't have a bunch of middle aged men blowing me and blaming other departments when I didnt win employee of the year.

So how old were they?????

[BUM-KNEE]

Watching McGuire drop passes makes me get a twitch in my neck.....

[HelenOfTroy]

3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

Exactly. This has been my main position. 

The ultimate purpose is to score points. Points trumps any other stat that you can produce on a football field.

Right now the Jets are too inconsistent as a scoring offense, and its due to inconsistencies up front. 

The main problem I believe folks have when valuing Olineman is that this is pretty much the only position group that do not produce stats, and because of that fans typically have nothing to point to in respects to the importance of those players the way we can with Dlinemen with sacks, qb hits and TFL's.

However, Olinemen directly contribute to the success of the offense overall. Folks talk about how the QB touches the ball on every play, but guess what, that isnt true. Somtimes you can do a direct snap to the RB for example, but do you know who ACTUALLY touches the ball on every play? The Center. 

Look how terrible our Center play was and how he literally destroyed offensive drives. Look at how many times plays couldnt get off the ground because the offensive line were totally manhandled. 

We cant score points on a consistent basis, and if we cant do that then we're not going to win. These days you need two or even three pass rushers, but with great oline play and pop passes, even pass rushers have been rendered irrelevant by certain offenses. 

The offensive line is paramount, and it has been treated 2nd rate, and we havent won as an organization since disregarding the Oline. That's an absolute fact. 

Yes!!!

I realize that all I can provide as a fan is my own college football knowledge and experiences following my team, what positions we value and have a strong tradition in, we value offensive line players and the importance of the “Big Uglies” , four of our 12 Pro Football Hall Of Famers out of USC are Offensive Linemen - should be five if there was any justice, to include Tony Boselli - early injury or not.  

One of the more knowledgeable guys on my board recently shut up an opposing fan arguing about which program was “OLine U”, when he rattled off a long, long list of quality linemen that were highly successful in the NFL out of USC. 

We have not had USC quality on the line for some time.  We always discuss how we wish  Sam had a decent line when he was with us...imagine what he could have done with a competent line, coaching, weapons in his final year.....sigh.

In sum, always taught, discussed the importance of quality offensive lines to the success of the team.  I was shocked to come here and read how little regard the Jets gave the offense as a whole, the line in particular.  I remember the Mangold and D’Brick selections by the Jets and thought that importance in the line continued....ugh.

[The Crusher]

20 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

This "ball washer" sh*t is f*cking stupid. People are excited about having a young QB with actual top level talent (as opposed to every other terribly flawed QB prospect this team has had since....forever) and are rooting for him to succeed, and have no interest in tearing a 2nd year QB down with constant criticism, and they're "ball washers"? Give me a break. I was ready to just walk away from this crap fest of a team, Darnold is the ONLY THING that makes this team interesting or relevant. 

 

So, does the second year, 21 year old player need to improve? Yeah. No sh*t, Sherlocks. Solid analysis. But the same douchbags who are hyper critical about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE on the Jets while then dismissing the sh*t squad and garbage staff the kid played with while criticizing every aspect they can find on him to pick at are just kind of pathetic, sad, SOJ fans. 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

9 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

 

That joke was already used yesterday. Try to keep up, big fella.....

 

?

[The Crusher]

42 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

That joke was already used yesterday. Try to keep up, big fella.....

 

?

I know, saw it later. Afraid to take it down because I would just end up eating it myself. 

[bitonti]

Jets fans: Sam Darnold is SO Nasty outside of the pocket

also Jets fans: Lets trade down and get a center, so that Sam can be nasty outside of the pocket

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

On 4/20/2019 at 10:38 AM, The Crusher said:

He is also younger than the average chick you date, so...

Also redhead. Also sucks. And if you think football as metaphor for Chan's midlife crisis is a hoot wait until we do mine.

[Jet_Engine1]

9 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans: Sam Darnold is SO Nasty outside of the pocket

also Jets fans: Lets trade down and get a center, so that Sam can be nasty from a clean pocket

Fixed.

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Jets fans: Sam Darnold is SO Nasty outside of the pocket

also Jets fans: Lets trade down and get a center, so that Sam can be nasty outside of the pocket

The kid who parks my car at the casino valeted Sean McVay once and has some interesting ideas about double center formations. He's probably a felon but ppl don't seem to care about that anymore.

[bitonti]

7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Fixed.

but that's not what he does. He gets nasty outside the pocket. that one play from Buffalo they've shown 300,000 times this offseason proves it

7 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

The kid who parks my car at the casino valeted Sean McVay once and has some interesting ideas about double center formations. He's probably a felon but ppl don't seem to care about that anymore.

better draft two centers, just to be sure 

Because when it comes to a Qb that's nasty outside of the pocket, you can't have enough centers 

[Jet_Engine1]

7 minutes ago, bitonti said:

but that's not what he does. He gets nasty outside the pocket. that one play from Buffalo they've shown 300,000 times this offseason proves it

better draft two centers, just to be sure 

Because when it comes to a Qb that's nasty outside of the pocket, you can't have enough centers 

Is this bad satire or stupidity? Hard to tell.....

 

Or are you suggesting Jonatthon Harrison is an adequate starting center? I really don't know what you're trying to say.

 

PS Happy Easter!

[The Crusher]

58 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Also redhead. Also sucks. And if you think football as metaphor for Chan's midlife crisis is a hoot wait until we do mine.

He’s already started mouthing off about trading in his luxury hybrid sedan for a sports car. Red sports car. 

[Miss Lonelyhearts]

4 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

He’s already started mouthing off about trading in his luxury hybrid sedan for a sports car. Red sports car. 

Hybrid. You're gonna tee me up a tranny joke on ******* easter? Have a little class.

[The Crusher]

17 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Hybrid. You're gonna tee me up a tranny joke on ******* easter? Have a little class.

I was hoping you would keep it between us. Happy Easter! 

[kdels62]

Me: Oh this is the play against the Packers where he bails early

Youtube guy: Darnold never bails early 

Darnold: *bails out of pocket early*

youtube guy: NEVER BAILS EARLY

[The Crusher]

1 hour ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Fixed.

Ok, that’s a good get. 

[NYJ1]

Outside of improving the OL (probably the most important thing that Mac always neglects) I really like what Mac has done to give Sammy a confidence boost. The defense should be much better especially now that they dumped Lee and replaced him with probably the best ILB in the game today. This defense will keep Darnold in fighting chance to win games. I love Crowder and how much damage he'll do out of the slot. Sammy will have FUN gaining chemistry with him. LeBron Bell? Do I even need to describe how much he'll add to this offense?

Don't get me wrong, I still don't believe the Jets are good enough to take the division from the patsies, but they ARE much improved.

[Villain The Foe]

37 minutes ago, NYJ1 said:

Outside of improving the OL (probably the most important thing that Mac always neglects) I really like what Mac has done to give Sammy a confidence boost. The defense should be much better especially now that they dumped Lee and replaced him with probably the best ILB in the game today. This defense will keep Darnold in fighting chance to win games. I love Crowder and how much damage he'll do out of the slot. Sammy will have FUN gaining chemistry with him. LeBron Bell? Do I even need to describe how much he'll add to this offense?

Don't get me wrong, I still don't believe the Jets are good enough to take the division from the patsies, but they ARE much improved.

C.J. Mosley is a clear upgrade from Darron Lee, but Mosley is not the best ILB in the game today. Putting him in the top 5 I'd be cool with, but there are 3 ILB's that are clearly better than Mosley.

Luke Kuechly is the best and most complete ILB in the game, and the only other player that could compete for that title is Bobby Wagner. Those two guys are like 1a and 1b. A guy who rounds off the top 3 is Deion Jones. Mosley is not on the level of those guys. Bobby Wagner and Luke Kuechly hail from the planet "Jordan", being the two most complete ILB's in the NFL today and Deion Jones is the most freakish pass coverage ILB in the game today. 

With that said, I got to give credit where credit is due. The Jets most definitely have the best ILB in the AFCE given that Mosley is better than Dont'a Hightower who's been in decline. 

Mosley is definitely an upgrade talent wise, his contract was financial theft though. Something that you must deal with when you're a bad team overall and you need to convince talent to play for you. You're going to have to overpay. 

 

"Lebron Bell" lmao!