Barry McCockinner Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Sanchez at #2 ? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-what-is-pff-war-and-why-it-shows-russell-wilson-is-the-mvp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jetstream23 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 This might mean the WAR is pretty much useless. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Hernandez Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Well can we finally stop pretending PFF matters now? I'm surprised Kyle Wilson didn't make it with how much they loved him 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GaryM Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 That says it all...how Sanchez can be ahead of Mangold on that list renders it meaningless. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 How is Clyde Gates not on this list? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 No D'Brick. Sanchez ahead of Mangold. Sanchez ahead of Jamal. lol Do they do this for coaches? 1. Weeb Ewbank 2. Bruce Coslett 3. Rex Ryan 4. Rich Kotite 5. Herm Edwards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I figured Baker would be top 5 by PFF default Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 Football-reference.com's "Approximate Value" metric would be a better though still very imperfect tool here. Their rankings would look something like this, when taking into account total time spent with the team: Darrelle Revis: Total CarAV during decade - 48; AV per season - 12.0 Muhammad Wilkerson: 71; 10.1 David Harris: 65; 6.5 Calvin Pace: 49; 8.2 Nick Mangold: 54; 7.7 Sheldon Richardson: 38; 9.5 D'Brickashaw Ferguson: 41; 6.8 Jamal Adams: 29; 9.7 Bart Scott: 28. 9.3 Sione Pouha: 28; 9.3 Leonard Williams: 38; 8.4 Antonio Cromartie: 39; 7.8 Demario Davis: 38; 7.6 Damon Harrison: 25; 8.3 Mark Sanchez: 30; 7.5 Ryan Fitzpatrick: 18; 9.0 Steve McLendon: 28; 7.0 Brandon Moore: 21; 7.0 Brandon Marshall: 17; 8.5 Jordan Jenkins: 25; 6.3 Mike DeVito: 19; 6.3 Kelvin Beachum: 19; 6.3 Sam Darnold: 13; 6.5 LaDainian Tomlinson: 13; 6.5 Bryan Thomas: 17; 5.7 Robby Anderson: 22; 5.5 Brian Winters: 30; 4.3 Bilal Powell: 30; 3.3 Eric Decker: 17; 5.7 Jeremy Kerley: 21; 3.5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20andOut Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Terrible List 1- 2011 was Revis' last good year with Jets so he barely squeeks in under the wire 2- Not a big Sanchez fan but he deserves more credit than he gets for his 4 road playoff wins in his first two years. (yes I know defense and running game were major factors) 3,4 Rooting for Sam but am getting to the point that I have had enough of Jamal, but both need to show more before being on any list. 5. Huge Mangold fan, would bump him up not just on his on field performance but as guy who was a team leader and tried to set a tone as far as being all in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 This would be my "team of the decade": QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick RB: LaDainian Tomlinson RB: Bilal Powell WR: Brandon Marshall WR: Robby Anderson WR: Jeremy Kerley TE: Dustin Keller LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG: Brian Winters C : Nick Mangold RG: Brandon Moore RT: Damien Woody DE: Muhammad Wilkerson NT: Sione Pouha DT: Leonard Williams DE: Sheldon Richardson OLB: Calvin Pace ILB: David Harris ILB: Bart Scott OLB: Jordan Jenkins CB: Darrelle Revis CB: Antonio Cromartie CB: Brian Poole FS: Jim Leonhard SS: Jamal Adams Yuck. What an awful decade. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 The team has been pitiful. No one deserves to be on the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 hours ago, 20andOut said: 2- Not a big Sanchez fan but he deserves more credit than he gets for his 4 road playoff wins in his first two years. (yes I know defense and running game were major factors) Show me a team with 4 playoff wins in two seasons that didn’t have a good defense and running game thanks. SAR I 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, Butterfield said: The team has been pitiful. No one deserves to be on the list. 2009: Jets go 9-7 win 2 playoff games. 2010: Jets go 11-5 win 2 playoff games. 2011: Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D. There is a stretch in that span where the Jets go 18-4 the best such run in team history. Far from pitiful. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Crusher Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, SAR I said: 2009: Jets go 9-7 win 2 playoff games. 2010: Jets go 11-5 win 2 playoff games. 2011: Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D. There is a stretch in that span where the Jets go 18-4 the best such run in team history. Far from pitiful. SAR I You stopped your list 2011. It's 2020, Kinda pitiful at least. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: This would be my "team of the decade": QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick RB: LaDainian Tomlinson RB: Bilal Powell WR: Brandon Marshall WR: Robby Anderson WR: Jeremy Kerley TE: Dustin Keller LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG: Brian Winters C : Nick Mangold RG: Brandon Moore RT: Damien Woody DE: Muhammad Wilkerson NT: Sione Pouha DT: Leonard Williams DE: Sheldon Richardson OLB: Calvin Pace ILB: David Harris ILB: Bart Scott OLB: Jordan Jenkins CB: Darrelle Revis CB: Antonio Cromartie CB: Brian Poole FS: Jim Leonhard SS: Jamal Adams Yuck. What an awful decade. Ooooh I was getting ready to buttfumble you to oblivion for forgetting Cotch, but I guess it depends on your parameters for team of the decade. Still, no Maybin or Clowney...and you of all people have Jamal on your list? Who’re you trying to fool!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, SAR I said: 2009: Jets go 9-7 win 2 playoff games. 2010: Jets go 11-5 win 2 playoff games. 2011: Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D. There is a stretch in that span where the Jets go 18-4 the best such run in team history. Far from pitiful. SAR I Problem is it’s an all decade team. As good as that stretch was, the decade team and it started with that the Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D which led to 10 years without playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, SAR I said: 2009: Jets go 9-7 win 2 playoff games. 2010: Jets go 11-5 win 2 playoff games. 2011: Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D. There is a stretch in that span where the Jets go 18-4 the best such run in team history. Far from pitiful. SAR I When does a decade start? How long does it last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Sanchez being high on a "wins above replacement" list is utterly laughable. He's a replacement level QB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Ooooh I was getting ready to buttfumble you to oblivion for forgetting Cotch, but I guess it depends on your parameters for team of the decade. Still, no Maybin or Clowney...and you of all people have Jamal on your list? Who’re you trying to fool!?! Cotchery’s last year with the team was 2010, and that was a rough year for him. Can’t put him on the team of the decade despite how much I liked him. I considered putting Eric Smith over Adams to troll people. But I can’t stand that tripping-over-his-feet loser and couldn’t bring myself to do it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Sanchez being high on a "wins above replacement" list is utterly laughable. He's a replacement level QB.Fitzpatrick was replacement level in 2015. Sanchez was consistently far below replacement level even in his best years. Football Outsiders confirms that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 The decade is 2010-19, people. The 2009 team isn’t part of it. This is like when SAR I claims we swept the Bills last season. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 hours ago, The Crusher said: You stopped your list 2011. It's 2020, Kinda pitiful at least. The decade was awful. But that Sanchez run from October '09 through November '11 was the best stretch in team history. Better than Namath ever did with the AFL team. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Problem is it’s an all decade team. As good as that stretch was, the decade team and it started with that the Jets sitting at 8-5 with 3 to go before Victor Cruz shreds Ryan’s D which led to 10 years without playoffs As well as being the only QB to win a playoff game for us, Mark Sanchez played the most games at QB in that decade for us, thus the reason to stand up and make sure he is shown a modicum of respect. SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Cotchery’s last year with the team was 2010, and that was a rough year for him. Can’t put him on the team of the decade despite how much I liked him. I considered putting Eric Smith over Adams to troll people. But I can’t stand that tripping-over-his-feet loser and couldn’t bring myself to do it. There are a few athletes that whenever they’re involved in a play, I just feel like it’s an auto L. Hilton Armstrong (UConn center back in the day), Kyle Wilson, Eric Smith are probably my top 3 for this category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Butterfield said: When does a decade start? How long does it last? Not sure. Here's the 'great' career of Joe Namath, though. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: The decade is 2010-19, people. The 2009 team isn’t part of it. This is like when SAR I claims we swept the Bills last season. A quarter of the season was played in 2010. It's what happens when you have a nice, long playoff run. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 A quarter of the season was played in 2010. It's what happens when you have a nice, long playoff run. SAR IThat’s not how this works. The 2009 postseason is part of the 2000-09 decade, even if the playoffs were in 2010.But sure, move those goalposts any way you want if it means that much to you. It’s what you do best! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, SAR I said: Not sure. Here's the 'great' career of Joe Namath, though. SAR I What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, SAR I said: The decade was awful. But that Sanchez run from October '09 through November '11 was the best stretch in team history. Better than Namath ever did with the AFL team. SAR I Agreed. Some of the best games I got to watch with my boys when they were little. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Fitzpatrick was replacement level in 2015. Sanchez was consistently far below replacement level even in his best years. Football Outsiders confirms that. Maybe your definition of "replacement level" is different than mine, but to me it's backup caliber, i.e. you can pick up a guy off the street to play at that level. I think FItzpatrick was above replacement level in 2015 -- he was top 10 in QBR. Although it's probably fair that Sanchez was below that level, at least in 2009 and 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 18 hours ago, jetstream23 said: This might mean the WAR is pretty much useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Maybe your definition of "replacement level" is different than mine, but to me it's backup caliber, i.e. you can pick up a guy off the street to play at that level. I think FItzpatrick was above replacement level in 2015 -- he was top 10 in QBR. Although it's probably fair that Sanchez was below that level, at least in 2009 and 2012. Per FO, in 2015 Fitzpatrick was +3.5 % DVOA (# 14 ranked QB) meaning he was slightly above replacement level: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2015 Sanchez was consistently in the negative in DVOA, always well below replacement level except in 2010. Even that season, he was -4.3 % (# 24 ranked QB): https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/nfl/qb/2010 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: That’s not how this works. The 2009 postseason is part of the 2000-09 decade, even if the playoffs were in 2010. But sure, move those goalposts any way you want if it means that much to you. It’s what you do best! So games actually played in 2010 weren’t played in 2010? SAR I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted May 31, 2020 Share Posted May 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: This would be my "team of the decade": QB: Ryan Fitzpatrick RB: LaDainian Tomlinson RB: Bilal Powell WR: Brandon Marshall WR: Robby Anderson WR: Jeremy Kerley TE: Dustin Keller LT: D'Brickashaw Ferguson LG: Brian Winters C : Nick Mangold RG: Brandon Moore RT: Damien Woody DE: Muhammad Wilkerson NT: Sione Pouha DT: Leonard Williams DE: Sheldon Richardson OLB: Calvin Pace ILB: David Harris ILB: Bart Scott OLB: Jordan Jenkins CB: Darrelle Revis CB: Antonio Cromartie CB: Brian Poole FS: Jim Leonhard SS: Jamal Adams Yuck. What an awful decade. You did a good job with both lists 80. This one was really good, and the approximate value thing was interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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