Will this season start and finish?

[Arsis]

4 hours ago, Jetster said:

Ok Dr. Fauchi

Deaths of 60 & under are barely calculable. Are their outliers? Of course as with anything health related. It’s ok for people to work in a grocery store but others can’t work? Now it’s just about Class. Essential might as well mean lowly in this country. Sorry, you can’t have a discussion about the season without discussing differences of opinion. Move to another forum. 

Death aside which apparently hundreds of thousands of dead people above 60 is cool. How old are most coaches again?

 

There are reports of long term respiratory and brain damage from the symptom less younger croud.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brains-idUSKBN24837S

https://gizmodo.com/doctors-find-brain-damage-in-children-with-mystery-synd-1844247002

https://www.healthimaging.com/topics/diagnostic-imaging/covid-19-brain-damage-3-stage-framework

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/19/coronavirus-what-acute-respiratory-distress-syndrome-ards/5066412002/

https://www.nrk.no/vestland/pasient-ville-se-ferdig-tv-serie-for-han-ble-lagt-i-respirator-1.15069528

Last one is in Norwegian in case you were worried about political bias.

 

[CotcheryifyouCan]

God I hope so

[T0mShane]

Goodell: “It’ll work because the players know what’s at stake”

 

The players: 

[putz]

On 7/9/2020 at 9:26 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

The Premier league in soccer has been going on for weeks as are other soccer leagues. Plenty of close contact in soccer. The NBA/NHL/MLB will hopefully  learn from european soccer and the NFL will learn from all of them. 

Covid #s in Europe are practically nil. USA, not so much. One MLS team has already shut down their season a week into their reopening.

[putz]

On 7/9/2020 at 9:26 AM, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

 

[Philc1]

15 hours ago, putz said:

Covid #s in Europe are practically nil. USA, not so much. One MLS team has already shut down their season a week into their reopening.

USA has 4% of the world’s population and 33% of the world’s cases

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

USA has 4% of the world’s population and 33% of the world’s cases

People getting checks for not working are the only people saying, “we need a cure before we can open the country”. 
Money is going to run out! Many, many people can’t pay taxes they owe, coffers are barren. Public Employees + unemployed getting benefits will bankrupt each & every town, city, state. The country is already trillions in debt. 
This is bigger than anyone is telling you. The economic ramifications of closing down the country will devastate the economy for YEARS to come, YEARS. Unless you people are pulling money off the trees in front of your houses, wait until your town, city & state start raising your taxes to make up the deficits. Public entities instead of furloughing workers are paying them for NOT WORKING. 
while the private sector let’s people go, we will all be paying these Public salaries & pensions no matter what happens. 
Many Cities & Towns will need to file bankruptsy to revise outrageous pensions. The Northeast, Illinois, and California will be the worst hit & you’ll see a huge defection of those populations move from these areas. 

[Hael]

I never understood the economic argument.  It’s frankly irrelevant.  If the virus is spreading exponentially (and it currently is in most states), then one way or the other things shutdown whether it’s preemptive or not.

when a significant percentage of people are dying or sick, people simply refuse to go to work.  It’s like that in parts of Brazil at the moment, where you have ghost towns full of residents who don’t leave their houses despite being told to work by their local government.  

Hospitals are at capacity in a few places.  They can likely go to 200% capacity if pushed (likely a few more weeks).  After that, they’re overwhelmed and you’ll see a new local lockdown order.  It’s all very predictable, and details don’t really matter (it’s only after the exponential dies off where things are harder to model)

[Matt39]

3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

USA has 4% of the world’s population and 33% of the world’s cases

Also consider there's 350 million people in this country, one of the most diverse country's in the world, and it's filled with people who cant wait their turn to board an airplane or use their turn signal. The US is by far the most unique place on the planet and a pandemic like this...there was no chance for full admission, social distancing, or mask wearing...too many different people here. Liberal, conservative, state vs. state...it doesnt matter. It has hit everywhere.

[playtowinthegame]

Yah ain't partied until yah partied in Cotton Valley, Louisiana. I like them French fried potaters.

[Philc1]

4 hours ago, Jetster said:

People getting checks for not working are the only people saying, “we need a cure before we can open the country”. 
Money is going to run out! Many, many people can’t pay taxes they owe, coffers are barren. Public Employees + unemployed getting benefits will bankrupt each & every town, city, state. The country is already trillions in debt. 
This is bigger than anyone is telling you. The economic ramifications of closing down the country will devastate the economy for YEARS to come, YEARS. Unless you people are pulling money off the trees in front of your houses, wait until your town, city & state start raising your taxes to make up the deficits. Public entities instead of furloughing workers are paying them for NOT WORKING. 
while the private sector let’s people go, we will all be paying these Public salaries & pensions no matter what happens. 
Many Cities & Towns will need to file bankruptsy to revise outrageous pensions. The Northeast, Illinois, and California will be the worst hit & you’ll see a huge defection of those populations move from these areas. 

sorry skippy but I still work for a living and have continued to do so spare me the ignorant generalizations 

 

The USA has BOTCHED this and it’s getting worse 

 

[Philc1]

2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

Also consider there's 350 million people in this country, one of the most diverse country's in the world, and it's filled with people who cant wait their turn to board an airplane or use their turn signal. The US is by far the most unique place on the planet and a pandemic like this...there was no chance for full admission, social distancing, or mask wearing...too many different people here. Liberal, conservative, state vs. state...it doesnt matter. It has hit everywhere.

please explain to how diversity leads to the exponential growth in coronavirus outbreaks in the US versus other countries?

 

 

also, other countries in Europe and Asia that already have this contained aren’t diverse?  Other countries don’t have people traveling?  That’s asinine.  New Zealand currently has zero cases nationwide and is a pretty diverse country 

[Jetster]

12 hours ago, Philc1 said:

sorry skippy but I still work for a living and have continued to do so spare me the ignorant generalizations 

 

The USA has BOTCHED this and it’s getting worse 

 

This is the last I'll say on this. I'm an ecomomics major & if we keep healthy people from working the head in the sand people like yourself will get a dose of what it's like to be broke. On Long Island alone they've lost billions in business & 375,000 jobs so far. You act as though you can turn an economy back on like starting a car engine. The revenue lost over the last 6 months is so large that it could take 7 years to rebalance budgets. 

This is an economic tsunami where your just seeing the 1st ripples coming ashore. The biggest wave will be on the backend of this when we run out of money for unemployment benefits & the Fed prints more money we don't have. When that happens the entire country will be 50/70% poorer. People thought the last recession/depression housing crisis was bad? Hold onto your hats.

[T0mShane]

17 minutes ago, Jetster said:

This is the last I'll say on this. I'm an ecomomics major & if we keep healthy people from working the head in the sand people like yourself will get a dose of what it's like to be broke. On Long Island alone they've lost billions in business & 375,000 jobs so far. You act as though you can turn an economy back on like starting a car engine. The revenue lost over the last 6 months is so large that it could take 7 years to rebalance budgets. 

This is an economic tsunami where your just seeing the 1st ripples coming ashore. The biggest wave will be on the backend of this when we run out of money for unemployment benefits & the Fed prints more money we don't have. When that happens the entire country will be 50/70% poorer. People thought the last recession/depression housing crisis was bad? Hold onto your hats.

Man, sounds awful. We should storm the statehouse and yell at them about this. 

[T0mShane]

12 hours ago, Philc1 said:

please explain to how diversity leads to the exponential growth in coronavirus outbreaks in the US versus other countries?

 

 

also, other countries in Europe and Asia that already have this contained aren’t diverse?  Other countries don’t have people traveling?  That’s asinine.  New Zealand currently has zero cases nationwide and is a pretty diverse country 

I think he was referring to polarization. Americans are no longer unified toward any single purpose as a national ideal. 

[Jetster]

33 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Man, sounds awful. We should storm the statehouse and yell at them about this. 

It is awful & it's actually not very funny. People already suffering from economic hardship will suffer terribly, crime is going to skyrocket in poor neighborhoods, elderly with just enough to get by will lose it in the drops of the markets, housing markets will crash but your mortgage won't be adjusted, this isn't funny at all. You cannot shut down an economy as large as the US. Filings for bankruptcy are up like never before, which means contractors, ect. will not get their money, and at that point it's like dominos. The only reason your not hearing about this is because it's election year. Both sides don't want to tell the truth about this shutdown & the ramifications. There will be a lot of adjustments in Public Pensions or the entire economy will collapse. People have been warning about this for years & politicians have held their hands over their ears. NEA may be the 1st to breakdown, people are now looking for alternatives to the Public school system that has done nothing to provide education to underpriveledged neighborhoods. A lot of Societal issues will come to the forefront over the next 3 years. 

[T0mShane]

24 minutes ago, Jetster said:

It is awful & it's actually not very funny. People already suffering from economic hardship will suffer terribly, crime is going to skyrocket in poor neighborhoods, elderly with just enough to get by will lose it in the drops of the markets, housing markets will crash but your mortgage won't be adjusted, this isn't funny at all. You cannot shut down an economy as large as the US. Filings for bankruptcy are up like never before, which means contractors, ect. will not get their money, and at that point it's like dominos. The only reason your not hearing about this is because it's election year. Both sides don't want to tell the truth about this shutdown & the ramifications. There will be a lot of adjustments in Public Pensions or the entire economy will collapse. People have been warning about this for years & politicians have held their hands over their ears. NEA may be the 1st to breakdown, people are now looking for alternatives to the Public school system that has done nothing to provide education to underpriveledged neighborhoods. A lot of Societal issues will come to the forefront over the next 3 years. 

What would President Jetster have done about this back in, say, February?

[BROOKLYN JET]

@Jetster I appreciate you sharing your economic insights, probably the best content I ever read here. It's shame what has been happening and the repercussions are going to be devastating.

[Dunnie]

It is awful & it's actually not very funny. People already suffering from economic hardship will suffer terribly, crime is going to skyrocket in poor neighborhoods, elderly with just enough to get by will lose it in the drops of the markets, housing markets will crash but your mortgage won't be adjusted, this isn't funny at all. You cannot shut down an economy as large as the US. Filings for bankruptcy are up like never before, which means contractors, ect. will not get their money, and at that point it's like dominos. The only reason your not hearing about this is because it's election year. Both sides don't want to tell the truth about this shutdown & the ramifications. There will be a lot of adjustments in Public Pensions or the entire economy will collapse. People have been warning about this for years & politicians have held their hands over their ears. NEA may be the 1st to breakdown, people are now looking for alternatives to the Public school system that has done nothing to provide education to underpriveledged neighborhoods. A lot of Societal issues will come to the forefront over the next 3 years. 

The one missing quotient here is the unstoppable greed and impatience of the young affluents.

 

Their money will be invested without thought or consideration with the idea of powering the engine regardless of the realities impacting the companies in their portfolios.

 

There is a LOT of capital available in this pool that will get injected time after time if stick prices faulter repeatedly.

 

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[Jetster]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

The one missing quotient here is the unstoppable greed and impatience of the young affluents.

 

Their money will be invested without thought or consideration with the idea of powering the engine regardless of the realities impacting the companies in their portfolios.

 

There is a LOT of capital available in this pool that will get injected time after time if stick prices faulter repeatedly.

 

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Their basically day trading right now. Pretty chancy, but it’s inflation when the fed starts printing money that will bite everyone in the ass. Stock Market won’t be enough to fund these huge Public Pension Funds. How long can a small town fund a school with outragius salaries & pensions like those on Long Island? These towns are seeing huge up to 70% declines in tax revenue. This is simple micro economics no different than over drafting your checking account. People who went into 100% cash, (Many in Congress with insider info of the virus & it’s implications) will be fine. It’s too late to bail now, that’s why markets stableized. 

[Melly-Mel]

I really hope it happens man.  

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

What would President Jetster have done about this back in, say, February?

I would have put the highest priority on seniors & people with underlying conditions. 
I would have had schools reopen for the summe with only teachers fit & healthy with testing protocols. 
I would have taken away the $600 per week federal unemployment subsidy. I would not have given the $2400 stimulus to people with over 1,000,000 in assets or to any retired seniors already collecting SS. I would be putting a task force together NOW to make people who took PPP checks to prove the money was being used for what it was meant for & if they didn’t comply within a specified time they needed to pay it back or the IRS would put liens on them immediately! Funny how in 3 weeks all of these businesses filed in days, well then, they should get only days to open their payroll books. A lot more too, but I don’t have time. 

[Matt39]

16 hours ago, Philc1 said:

please explain to how diversity leads to the exponential growth in coronavirus outbreaks in the US versus other countries?

 

 

also, other countries in Europe and Asia that already have this contained aren’t diverse?  Other countries don’t have people traveling?  That’s asinine.  New Zealand currently has zero cases nationwide and is a pretty diverse country 

New Zealand? More people live in Maine. And I mean diversity of pthought. Alabama and Illinois may as well be two different countries.

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

New Zealand? More people live in Maine. And I mean diversity of pthought. Alabama and Illinois may as well be two different countries.

Well, New Zealand does have 3 times the population of Maine but your Point is right on. 
there were probably more murders in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend than Covid deaths in most states. 

[Jackie Treehorn]

Start and finish is my answer, but don’t try to involve fans at the stadium. No protocols in the world will make that a sound idea. 

[Biggs]

5 hours ago, Jetster said:

It is awful & it's actually not very funny. People already suffering from economic hardship will suffer terribly, crime is going to skyrocket in poor neighborhoods, elderly with just enough to get by will lose it in the drops of the markets, housing markets will crash but your mortgage won't be adjusted, this isn't funny at all. You cannot shut down an economy as large as the US. Filings for bankruptcy are up like never before, which means contractors, ect. will not get their money, and at that point it's like dominos. The only reason your not hearing about this is because it's election year. Both sides don't want to tell the truth about this shutdown & the ramifications. There will be a lot of adjustments in Public Pensions or the entire economy will collapse. People have been warning about this for years & politicians have held their hands over their ears. NEA may be the 1st to breakdown, people are now looking for alternatives to the Public school system that has done nothing to provide education to underpriveledged neighborhoods. A lot of Societal issues will come to the forefront over the next 3 years. 

Meanwhile inflation is nowhere in site.  Money can be taken out of the system when inflation becomes an issue.  Hard to see inflation happening if people can't afford to buy stuff.  Hard to see 10 and 30 year bonds telegraphing inflation right now.  We could be in a long term deflationary spiral right now.  You're speculating. 

The Federal government can bail out the states and they can bail out mortgages and businesses.  As you point out they don't have to balance budgets and they can print money.   What is an outrageous salary for a teacher who is going into a classroom where 20 plus students threatens their life and their families life?  

The Global Pandemic is real.  The virus is mutating, we're learning how to treat it better ever day and at some point we may even have a vaccine.  Rumor mongering and stock manipulation aside, I'm confident we will have something in a year or two while we get better at treating people who get sick.  

People have to access their risk.  People who are in low risk groups have to wear a mask and practice social distancing.  This thing can't magically be ignored because there are economic consequences.  There are economic consequences too pretending everything should go back to normal.  There is a new normal.  Panic and fear mongering won't change it anymore than ignoring it.  Calmly dealing with the reality and formulating strategies based on science, while recognizing that the science is fluid is the only way we will get back to having an economy that is aligned with productivity.  Until it is the Federal Government will have to step in.  As long as most of the world is willing to continue to buy our treasuries we can create a lot of debt without creating hyper inflation.  At some point when the science dictates it we will have an economy based on productivity and we can tax, spend less and take money off the table.  Until that happens the Federal Government is going to have to backstop the economy.  It's called a social safety net.  It's what first world democracies have put in place for decades including the USA.  We fought WW2 on debt.

[Philc1]

15 hours ago, Jetster said:

This is the last I'll say on this. I'm an ecomomics major & if we keep healthy people from working the head in the sand people like yourself will get a dose of what it's like to be broke. On Long Island alone they've lost billions in business & 375,000 jobs so far. You act as though you can turn an economy back on like starting a car engine. The revenue lost over the last 6 months is so large that it could take 7 years to rebalance budgets. 

This is an economic tsunami where your just seeing the 1st ripples coming ashore. The biggest wave will be on the backend of this when we run out of money for unemployment benefits & the Fed prints more money we don't have. When that happens the entire country will be 50/70% poorer. People thought the last recession/depression housing crisis was bad? Hold onto your hats.

So how many people need to die in order to keep the economy great?  3 million?

yeah I’m sure once the vaccine is invented and administered and we are past this all those unemployed people will want to stay unemployed and not pay rent or food

[Jetster]

16 hours ago, Biggs said:

Meanwhile inflation is nowhere in site.  Money can be taken out of the system when inflation becomes an issue.  Hard to see inflation happening if people can't afford to buy stuff.  Hard to see 10 and 30 year bonds telegraphing inflation right now.  We could be in a long term deflationary spiral right now.  You're speculating. 

The Federal government can bail out the states and they can bail out mortgages and businesses.  As you point out they don't have to balance budgets and they can print money.   What is an outrageous salary for a teacher who is going into a classroom where 20 plus students threatens their life and their families life?  

The Global Pandemic is real.  The virus is mutating, we're learning how to treat it better ever day and at some point we may even have a vaccine.  Rumor mongering and stock manipulation aside, I'm confident we will have something in a year or two while we get better at treating people who get sick.  

People have to access their risk.  People who are in low risk groups have to wear a mask and practice social distancing.  This thing can't magically be ignored because there are economic consequences.  There are economic consequences too pretending everything should go back to normal.  There is a new normal.  Panic and fear mongering won't change it anymore than ignoring it.  Calmly dealing with the reality and formulating strategies based on science, while recognizing that the science is fluid is the only way we will get back to having an economy that is aligned with productivity.  Until it is the Federal Government will have to step in.  As long as most of the world is willing to continue to buy our treasuries we can create a lot of debt without creating hyper inflation.  At some point when the science dictates it we will have an economy based on productivity and we can tax, spend less and take money off the table.  Until that happens the Federal Government is going to have to backstop the economy.  It's called a social safety net.  It's what first world democracies have put in place for decades including the USA.  We fought WW2 on debt.

You bought the BS lock stock & barrel. Immunologists in Europe are already reporting no transmitting between children. The only reason schools aren't opening is because the NEA says so. That is why our founding fathers warned about Public Unions. You never let the wolves tend to the chicken coop. What are you going to do when parents start suing to get their tax dollars for education BACK? You'll see what happens when schools don't open. It's right around the corner. 

[T0mShane]

Bang the drum slowly, friends

 

[Daddy Wang Doodle]

Just getting this in before the lock

 

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

Bang the drum slowly, friends

 

I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on whether the NFL has to pull the plug on 2020?  I predict an annnouncement of a postponement of the start of the season will come in August and if there is any releief from the pandemic, maybe a winter-to-spring shortened season.  Maybe. 

 

[ZachEY]

On 7/12/2020 at 7:33 AM, Jetster said:

This is the last I'll say on this.

[Matt39]

18 minutes ago, Dcat said:

I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on whether the NFL has to pull the plug on 2020?  I predict an annnouncement of a postponement of the start of the season will come in August and if there is any releief from the pandemic, maybe a winter-to-spring shortened season.  Maybe. 

 

Unless the players collectively strike, there's going to be a season. There was a soccer game with fans in the stands in Kentucky last night. They're moving forward.

[Dcat]

13 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Unless the players collectively strike, there's going to be a season. There was a soccer game with fans in the stands in Kentucky last night. They're moving forward.

I know.  But the phrase "moving forward" is dubious at best right now.  But I'll leave that for the club discussion room. 

This also presumes that the health situation around the country improves, not gets worse.  If things don't start improving, they will not start this season with any fans in attendance and probably postpone as long as they can.

[Biggs]

2 hours ago, Jetster said:

You bought the BS lock stock & barrel. Immunologists in Europe are already reporting no transmitting between children. The only reason schools aren't opening is because the NEA says so. That is why our founding fathers warned about Public Unions. You never let the wolves tend to the chicken coop. What are you going to do when parents start suing to get their tax dollars for education BACK? You'll see what happens when schools don't open. It's right around the corner. 

You do realize we aren't sending kids to school to reenact a version of Lord of the Flies.   There will be teachers and coaches and administrators in schools along with parents on occasion.  You bought the BS that kids will be running the schools and teaching the classes.  

I suspect you became an economist because you were taught by actual professors.  It's clear you don't know sh*t about this  virus which is mutating and changing as is the science on almost a daily basis.  What are you going to do when your kids teachers get sick and a couple of your kids classmates die from some rare complication?