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We’re all aghast at how bad this team has looked. Rightfully so.

That said, we still have a shot at going .500 of the first quarter of the season. Considering all the new things in place, that would be a successful start. 

I fully expected struggles out the gate. Preseason and camp is too truncated to be meaningful + all these new players + injuries. I say it each year, the teams that start hot are usually ones not installing new schemes and/or key players.

I think this team can come around and will. Personally, I’m grading each quarter of the season. Wins? Eh, probably few. Growth and signs of development? Yes, please.

Does this count as one of those self-indulgent stream of consciousness threads?

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I just want Zach to not suck.

I think this Sunday could get pretty ugly. The crowd will be rocking, they’ll he aware of how the Pats confused him. Unless the adjustments are made and Zach improves it will be more of the same. I’ll be happy with anything better than bad this week.

As for the rest of the team - I don’t really care too much about the record, the season is already done in that respect. I want the young guys to show out, there was some promise from them last week and hopefully they start showing some cohesion as a group.

My expectations are a lot lower than they were preseason.

Denver to win 33-7

Jets record on the season: 4-13

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I'm a little disappointed, but not apoplectic like some people here seem to be about where our team is at. JD deserves criticism for how he's built this team so far, but i'm not ready to say he's not going to be able to turn this around. For me, next year's offseason is also critical in figuring out if we're building the right way. My expectations for this year is that we'd at best be a 7-8 win team. Looks at this moment we are playing like a 2-4 win team, but hopefully if the coaching staff does their job we'll be better in the 2nd half of the year.

But yeah, inexcusable to not have a real vet QB on the team and just gifting Zach the starting job. Why did GVR get handed the starting job? Why was Plan A riding with GVR, Alex Lewis, and Cam Clark for the other guard spot? In a TE heavy offense, why did we go with Kroft and Griffin? Why did he whiff so hard on the 2020 draft? He deserves plenty of heat for that.

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34 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

We’re all aghast at how bad this team has looked. Rightfully so.

That said, we still have a shot at going .500 of the first quarter of the season. Considering all the new things in place, that would be a successful start. 

I fully expected struggles out the gate. Preseason and camp is too truncated to be meaningful + all these new players + injuries. I say it each year, the teams that start hot are usually ones not installing new schemes and/or key players.

I think this team can come around and will. Personally, I’m grading each quarter of the season. Wins? Eh, probably few. Growth and signs of development? Yes, please.

Does this count as one of those self-indulgent stream of consciousness threads?

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I actually think the team looked pretty good overall on Sunday - the QB was just bad to the point of making the game non-competitive. 

I have actually been impressed with this defense and special teams. The offensive line was awful in the first game but solid in the second. 

Wilson was ok in the first game and hideously awful in the second. 

Having said all of that, I expect Denver to smash us on Sunday

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44 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

We’re all aghast at how bad this team has looked. Rightfully so.

That said, we still have a shot at going .500 of the first quarter of the season. Considering all the new things in place, that would be a successful start. 

I fully expected struggles out the gate. Preseason and camp is too truncated to be meaningful + all these new players + injuries. I say it each year, the teams that start hot are usually ones not installing new schemes and/or key players.

I think this team can come around and will. Personally, I’m grading each quarter of the season. Wins? Eh, probably few. Growth and signs of development? Yes, please.

Does this count as one of those self-indulgent stream of consciousness threads?

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right.  and the thing is that even though both games were losses it really won't take a wholesale improvement in the team to turn them into wins.  game one was pretty much on the offensive line.  game two was pretty much only on wilson and lafleur.  the areas that have real issues are getting smaller.

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Reading this thread is like reading from a battered woman their husband really isnt that bad

"grading by quarters" We have to be the only fan base that does this 

"looked pretty good overall sunday" WE LOST 25-6 AT HOME

Cmon guys

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I cannot believe I am saying this but I am far more optimistic for this season and the rebuild than I was at the beginning of the year.  Seriously. 

I thought that our light fast young defense was going to have serious issues.  I doubted that we would be able to stymie power running attacks unless we went heavy and then they are dictating the action . . . and we are off our game.  I expected backs to blast right up the middle for scores.  So far, I have seen only one and we had lots of chances to stop him.  Plus the defense was gassed due to playing - and playing well - the entire first quarter.

I honestly thought that installing the matchup zone with so many young players was doomed to horrid results in the short term.  I expected lots of blown coverage - so far, I have seen one. 

I honestly think that Saleh and Ulbright can look us in the face.  Truly.  I never expected it so early in the season and playing so many late draft picks.  He is making a silk purse out of a sows ear and it is highly encouraging. 

I thought it highly unlikely that Zach would be far better than his scouting report.  So far, he is as advertised.  An inexperienced gunslinger with a ton of arm talent who is not ready.  So far, I see exactly what I expected.  So I am not less optimistic there either.

Now that I have watched AVT have a decent game, I am calming down a bit about him.  As I have said, he had best work out - he was very expensive.  Well, he is working out.  Remember, when the season began - I had not seen him play.  The breakdowns last week on his part were mental and physical.  On one play, he got Zach creamed.  Not this week.  I saw no mistakes and his run blocking was solid.  

Then there is the undeniable tap dancing whilst the western outlaw shoots at your feet.  The repeated injuries - three starters lasted less than one quarter last week - led to a tossed salad defense thrown together on the fly.  I got news for you fellas.  That defense played well enough to win in both weeks.  With triple trash Phillips at the MIKE.  From where I stand, the new coach has stood on his head.  The play of the young corners Hall, Echols, Carter and Guidry is undeniable.  They play with discipline too.  Few stupid interference penalties.

I try to be fair and all is not roses. 

I grow depressed watching the Jets field four starters on the offensive line who are unlikely to start for us next year.   They constitute wasted snaps which should have been given to a young draft pick.   Fant and McGovern are under contract but can be cheaply bought out and we will.  Moses will leave and GVR is a backup.  

Even if we still had Becton, Lewis, Clark and McDermott we would still be playing two guys - McGovern and Moses/Fant who are almost certainly goners.  We needed some more young talent and now we are caught short.  

I worry that the Jets will refuse to sit Zach when he reaches the point I saw with Sanchez and Smith.  When I knew we had to get them out of the game or damage them.  The scouting report said they were not ready.  Said the same about Sam too.  Zach really does need to sit.  One poster said that last week was Zach's "hot stove" game.  That he touched a red hot stove (threw it into coverage) and will not do it again (play boring).  I sure hope so. 

Nevertheless, on the whole I am more optimistic than I was at the beginning of the year.  The defense is showing signs it is ready to compete right now and a 5th round pick (Carter) and a 6th round pick (Echols) are holding their own as starters - pinch me).  The safeties change like models on the runway yet they hold their own.  Some guys who were here are already gone - Redwine - and new dudes off the cut pile are headed into the game.   Yet it is winning defense.  We are putting up a fight and this bodes well for our coach.  This is what  he said he would deliver.  So far, GREAT!

I expected a work in progress and I would like to see some more point scored (wouldn't we all).  Do I think we will beat Denver in Mile High?  No.  21-10 sounds about right.  If you had asked me before game one, I would have guessed 35-14.  I had little faith in our defense.  That has changed.  If the offense plays better - read Zach - we could win 14-13.  The defense is competing.    

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5 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Reading this thread is like reading from a battered woman their husband really isnt that bad

"grading by quarters" We have to be the only fan base that does this 

"looked pretty good overall sunday" WE LOST 25-6 AT HOME

Cmon guys

4 INTS 

1 sack let up until the last 2 drives where the team was just throwing long developing deep routes. 

More yards, TOP, First Downs than the other team. The issue was the QB, the defense held out as long as they could. Will the team be able to put it all together for 4 quarters? I don't know but as a whole the parts have performed just not all at the same time. 

Denver will probably throttle us though, that defense is legit. 

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7 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Reading this thread is like reading from a battered woman their husband really isnt that bad

"grading by quarters" We have to be the only fan base that does this 

"looked pretty good overall sunday" WE LOST 25-6 AT HOME

Cmon guys

I literally created this thread as a soft-troll satire of your foolish Kevin thread.

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16 minutes ago, kevinc855 said:

Reading this thread is like reading from a battered woman their husband really isnt that bad

"grading by quarters" We have to be the only fan base that does this 

"looked pretty good overall sunday" WE LOST 25-6 AT HOME

Cmon guys

I think it makes more sense for someone taking it four games at a time compared to freaking out after literally one quarter or even 1 game. 

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1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

I actually think the team looked pretty good overall on Sunday - the QB was just bad to the point of making the game non-competitive. 

I have actually been impressed with this defense and special teams. The offensive line was awful in the first game but solid in the second. 

Wilson was ok in the first game and hideously awful in the second. 

Having said all of that, I expect Denver to smash us on Sunday

Agree with all of this.

We outgained the Pats in yards per play on Sunday. For pretty much the entire first half we were very evenly matched -- I might even argue we were outplaying them.

Zach just threw the game away.

Unlike last year where we were just non-competitive in every game -- this team has some fight. I was worried after the Panthers game we hadn't improved at all. Weirdly watching us run the ball on them, pass protect pretty well and play solid defense I walked out a little more optimistic.

I think we beat the Falcons. If we can steal one of the next two we still have a shot at a respectable season.

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I still believe we are starting the year 0-4

That being said, the only thing that really matters to me is how this team looks in December and January.

Is the OL protecting Wilson better

Is Wilson getting better.

Is our WR corp Davis, Mims, Moore and Crowder

Is our defense playing like a unit

This was going to be a season of Saleh getting his program in place so I was not expecting alot considering all the damage Gase did to this franchise. 

Talk to me in January 10th after the Bills game

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