Mike F’n White starting Sunday

[Irish Jet]

13 hours ago, ZachEY said:

Serious question for anyone that watches college ball... What makes Mike White different than Mac Jones besides not playing for Alabama?

Interestingly when you hear the draft reports for White they describe him as the opposite of what he's been. 

They highlight the big arm and big play potential but said he lacks poise and makes poor decisions. It's actually pretty encouraging as it speaks to him putting in the work and improving that part of his game. 

[ZachEY]

2 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Interestingly when you hear the draft reports for White they describe him as the opposite of what he's been. 

They highlight the big arm and big play potential but said he lacks poise and makes poor decisions. It's actually pretty encouraging as it speaks to him putting in the work and improving that part of his game. 

That’s surprising.  Haven’t seen the “big arm and big play potential.”  Honestly, based on the small sample size, if we start seeing that, Zach’s never getting his job back.

[JohnnyLV]

16 hours ago, flgreen said:

IMO that nonsensical trade was made because after seeing White in camp the CS had little faith in him.

This Bills game is the Super Bowl for White.  

The teams he's faced so far had 0 film on him.  At the same time LaFleur moved up stairs, and changed, not the system, but the type of plays he was calling.  No more bunch WR sets, dramatic reduction in 2 TE sets, and cut way back on play action.  Cinci just wasn't prepared.  Even the Colts didn't have much time to prepare with the Thursday game.  To his credit White stepped up, and made some nice plays, and put up great numbers.

Sunday will be a diferent story.  Bills have a good D, and have had time to look at the "new look" Jets O, and White's tendencies.  

If White can pull this off, and get a W, I'll be 100% on the bandwagon.  Until then, I'll  wait and see. 

Logical and true post. History would suggest that the one game was an outlier and that he may never reach that level of performance again but there have been a couple rare cases like with Warner and Brady where lightly regarded players came in had instant success and never looked back. White looks good in their which is the interesting part. Will be interesting to see it unfold.

[JohnnyLV]

His scouting report reads like the opposite of what we have seen so far. If he can make plays down the field and has a bigger arm that we think could get really interesting.

 

Entering the 2018 NFL Draft with only UDFA sensation Cooper Rush behind starting Quarterback Dak Prescott, the Dallas Cowboys used the 171st overall pick on Western Kentucky’s Mike White. Addressing their QB depth chart in this draft was always going to be a possibility for the Cowboys, and doing so in the fifth round shows how much they like White – who threw for over 11,000 yards and 74 touchdowns in college.

A transfer from South Florida, White spent the last two seasons as the Hilltopper’s starter. After studying his tape from a pass-happy Western Kentucky offense, here is Mike White’s full scouting report.

Quarterback Mike White: Strengths

 

Mike White is a physically impressive quarterback, not afraid to drive the ball downfield. White believes he can make any throw on the field, managing the pocket to deliver passes quickly. Doing so from a variety of arm angles, it is easy to see why NFL teams are high on the potential for Mike White.

White plays with his feet and eyes together, not getting stuck on reads as he consistently beats defenders with his velocity. A dangerous quarterback outside of the pocket, White keeps his head up at all times when scrambling, and is comfortable delivering on the run.

 

Taking the top off of a defense is where White excels, dropping deep passes into the bucket with minimal exertion to push these throws. Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph being the only exceptions, White has more collegiate passing attempts than every other QB drafted ahead of him, overcoming changes to the Western Kentucky offense to win 17 games in two seasons.

A quarterback with all of the tools to succeed, White will benefit from developing in one scheme, without the pressure of starting right away.

 

 

Quarterback Mike White: Weaknesses

The seventh quarterback drafted this year, White has plenty of setbacks to his game. All of them will be manageable with the right coaching, with the most glaring being his tendency to throw late into tight windows.

Anticipating throws does not come naturally for White, who is much more of a “see it, throw it” passer. When his arm strength suits him well in this role, it is a pretty sight to see, but there are other times where beating defenses with arm strength simply does not work for White.

Mike White will likely never be much more of a precise passer than he is now, rarely giving his receivers an ideal pass to run after the catch with. Leaving throws on the field, White lacks the touch to consistently get the ball on the boundary.

Getting the ball out of his hands when locked onto his target is not a problem for White, though he will hold onto the ball against pressure – taking unneeded hits instead of safely throwing the ball away.

Quarterback Mike White: Summary

 

Second-year Cowboys Quarterback Cooper Rush may have the edge on the primary backup spot to Prescott in 2018, thanks to familiarity in Dallas, but Mike White is well on his way with the arm talent to standout all summer long.

At worst, the Cowboys will not experience a drop off in developing their new WRs when White is throwing them the ball. Gifted with a big arm and showing flashes of next-level touch, Mike White is the perfect rookie quarterback for Scott Linehan and Kellen Moore to begin working with.

[Dunnie]

Things could definitely get interesting ... good to read these reports ... cause my fear was noodle arm 2.

Life could.be worse than having two very good QBs.

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[Vudu]

White PAWR!

[Dunnie]

White PAWR!

Platform for Advanced Wireless?

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[Bleedin Green]

Definitely some very interesting info in that report, and there is an eye-opening combo of what others have pointed out as being vastly different than what we've seen, other pieces also kind of paint an interesting picture of what we've seen so far.  A few of those that just jumped out to me:

3 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Mike White is a physically impressive quarterback, not afraid to drive the ball downfield. White believes he can make any throw on the field, managing the pocket to deliver passes quickly. Doing so from a variety of arm angles, it is easy to see why NFL teams are high on the potential for Mike White.

White plays with his feet and eyes together, not getting stuck on reads as he consistently beats defenders with his velocity. A dangerous quarterback outside of the pocket, White keeps his head up at all times when scrambling, and is comfortable delivering on the run.

While it makes mention of the curious parts of the big arm and driving downfield, the bold also gives a lot of context to what we've seen.  Managing the pocket / quick passes has been a significant difference for the OL between Mike and Zach, obviously making their jobs much easier.  Of course, the Jets could definitely use a better OL, but making best use that you can of what little you have can be significant.  That also goes along with another key difference noted, that White has shown a willingness to quickly move through his reads.

On the other end, outside of the perhaps trick-play 2 point conversion, nothing we've seen would make me think anything about his danger outside of the pocket / scrambling ability, so that's interesting to hear.  It will be interesting to see if that ever comes back around, or if that's more a matter of difference between college vs NFL speed.

3 hours ago, johnnysd said:

A quarterback with all of the tools to succeed, White will benefit from developing in one scheme, without the pressure of starting right away.

This made me chuckle a bit because while obviously hitting the nail on the end of "without the pressure of starting right away", he has at no point come anywhere close to having the benefit of developing in one scheme.  He's now on his 3rd offense in his 4th year and as much as that's been used as an excuse for the failure of other QB's in the past, it seems he's had no problems adapting.  At the bare minimum, that's likely earned him a long-term career as at least a backup in the league, as it improves his overall appeal to teams.

3 hours ago, johnnysd said:

The seventh quarterback drafted this year, White has plenty of setbacks to his game. All of them will be manageable with the right coaching, with the most glaring being his tendency to throw late into tight windows.

Anticipating throws does not come naturally for White, who is much more of a “see it, throw it” passer. When his arm strength suits him well in this role, it is a pretty sight to see, but there are other times where beating defenses with arm strength simply does not work for White.

This is an interesting note to see, and got me thinking about what we've seen so far.  The "weak arm" theories had never really been completely true given that, even despite the lack of downfield throws, he showed numerous instances of firing passes into small holes in the zones.  With that said, while his ball placement was very good, including hitting WRs in stride or right on the #s on plays like curls/hitches, it is an interesting question of how much of that has been anticipation.  I have to admit nothing immediately springs to mind of White firing off passes before a WR even makes his break, so may be worth keeping an eye on, as those are the kind of circumstances where people talking about certain throws being impossible to defend.

 

3 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Mike White will likely never be much more of a precise passer than he is now, rarely giving his receivers an ideal pass to run after the catch with. Leaving throws on the field, White lacks the touch to consistently get the ball on the boundary.

To my point above, I think it's fair to say that, at least in this offense and what we've seen recently, the bold is no longer the case for White, as that's pretty much been one of his biggest strengths so far.  With that said, there haven't been a whole lot of boundary throws, so curious to see if anything more comes of that.

 

In the end, if nothing else he seems to have focused on some of the areas of need that were flagged for him coming out, so now it's a question of what comes of some more unknown areas still, and of course most importantly whether he can do this with any degree of consistency.  At bare minimum, when you see the kind of lengthy backup careers Jets failures like Clemens and Geno got themselves, chances are high he's managed to make himself a longer career in the league these past few weeks.

[Lith]

18 hours ago, ZachEY said:

They should let Mike White start the rest of the season and use Zach Wilson when they need to throw the ball really far and hopefully get a pass interference.

I was thnking maybe Zach could be our designated Hail Mary guy, especially since we lost Morgan after his pre-season heroics.

So, when does your name change to MikEY.

[ZachEY]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

I was thnking maybe Zach could be our designated Hail Mary guy, especially since we lost Morgan after his pre-season heroics.

So, when does your name change to MikEY.

Do you really think of the two name options for this QB, "MikEY" would be the one I'd go with?

[HawkeyeJet]

6 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Do you really think of the two name options for this QB, "MikEY" would be the one I'd go with?

[ZachEY]

On 10/31/2021 at 2:58 PM, ZachEY said:

On 10/31/2021 at 2:31 PM, Maxman said:

Yeah this isn't the place for hate speech.

Enjoy the rest of the day off 

On a related note, if we win this game, can I change my name to WhitEY?

@The Crusher

[Lith]

9 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

Do you really think of the two name options for this QB, "MikEY" would be the one I'd go with?

Good point.  Clearly, I did not put enough thought into my post.

[JohnnyLV]

49 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Definitely some very interesting info in that report, and there is an eye-opening combo of what others have pointed out as being vastly different than what we've seen, other pieces also kind of pain an interesting picture of what we've seen so far.  A few of those that just jumped out to me:

While it makes mention of the curious parts of the big arm and driving downfield, the bold also gives a lot of context to what we've seen.  Managing the pocket / quick passes has been a significant difference for the OL between Mike and Zach, obviously making their jobs much easier.  Of course, the Jets could definitely use a better OL, but making best use that you can of what little you have can be significant.  That also goes along with another key difference noted, that White has shown a willingness to quickly move through his reads.

On the other end, outside of the perhaps trick-play 2 point conversion, nothing we've seen would make me think anything about his danger outside of the pocket / scrambling ability, so that's interesting to hear.  It will be interesting to see if that ever comes back around, or if that's more a matter of difference between college vs NFL speed.

This made me chuckle a bit because while obviously hitting the nail on the end of "without the pressure of starting right away", he has at no point come anywhere close to having the benefit of developing in one scheme.  He's now on his 3rd offense in his 4th year and as much as that's been used as an excuse for the failure of other QB's in the past, it seems he's had no problems adapting.  At the bare minimum, that's likely earned him a long-term career as at least a backup in the league, as it improves his overall appeal to teams.

This is an interesting note to see, and got me thinking about what we've seen so far.  The "weak arm" theories had never really been completely true given that, even despite the lack of downfield throws, he showed numerous instances of firing passes into small holes in the zones.  With that said, while his ball placement was very good, including hitting WRs in stride or right on the #s on plays like curls/hitches, it is an interesting question of how much of that has been anticipation.  I have to admit nothing immediately springs to mind of White firing off passes before a WR even makes his break, so may be worth keeping an eye on, as those are the kind of circumstances where people talking about certain throws being impossible to defend.

 

To my point above, I think it's fair to say that, at least in this offense and what we've seen recently, the bold is no longer the case for White, as that's pretty much been one of his biggest strengths so far.  With that said, there haven't been a whole lot of boundary throws, so curious to see if anything more comes of that.

 

In the end, if nothing else he seems to have focused on some of the areas of need that were flagged for him coming out, so now it's a question of what comes of some more unknown areas still, and of course most importantly whether he can do this with any degree of consistency.  At bare minimum, when you see the kind of lengthy backup careers Jets failures like Clemens and Geno got themselves, chances are high he's managed to make himself a longer career in the league these past few weeks.

Yes its really intriguing because he seems to be good now at the things he got dinged for. If he performs really well against the Bills the Jets and media hype will be off the charts

[flgreen]

1 hour ago, johnnysd said:

His scouting report reads like the opposite of what we have seen so far. If he can make plays down the field and has a bigger arm that we think could get really interesting.

 

Entering the 2018 NFL Draft with only UDFA sensation Cooper Rush behind starting Quarterback Dak Prescott, the Dallas Cowboys used the 171st overall pick on Western Kentucky’s Mike White. Addressing their QB depth chart in this draft was always going to be a possibility for the Cowboys, and doing so in the fifth round shows how much they like White – who threw for over 11,000 yards and 74 touchdowns in college.

A transfer from South Florida, White spent the last two seasons as the Hilltopper’s starter. After studying his tape from a pass-happy Western Kentucky offense, here is Mike White’s full scouting report.

Quarterback Mike White: Strengths

 

Mike White is a physically impressive quarterback, not afraid to drive the ball downfield. White believes he can make any throw on the field, managing the pocket to deliver passes quickly. Doing so from a variety of arm angles, it is easy to see why NFL teams are high on the potential for Mike White.

White plays with his feet and eyes together, not getting stuck on reads as he consistently beats defenders with his velocity. A dangerous quarterback outside of the pocket, White keeps his head up at all times when scrambling, and is comfortable delivering on the run.

 

Taking the top off of a defense is where White excels, dropping deep passes into the bucket with minimal exertion to push these throws. Baker Mayfield and Mason Rudolph being the only exceptions, White has more collegiate passing attempts than every other QB drafted ahead of him, overcoming changes to the Western Kentucky offense to win 17 games in two seasons.

A quarterback with all of the tools to succeed, White will benefit from developing in one scheme, without the pressure of starting right away.

 

 

Quarterback Mike White: Weaknesses

The seventh quarterback drafted this year, White has plenty of setbacks to his game. All of them will be manageable with the right coaching, with the most glaring being his tendency to throw late into tight windows.

Anticipating throws does not come naturally for White, who is much more of a “see it, throw it” passer. When his arm strength suits him well in this role, it is a pretty sight to see, but there are other times where beating defenses with arm strength simply does not work for White.

Mike White will likely never be much more of a precise passer than he is now, rarely giving his receivers an ideal pass to run after the catch with. Leaving throws on the field, White lacks the touch to consistently get the ball on the boundary.

Getting the ball out of his hands when locked onto his target is not a problem for White, though he will hold onto the ball against pressure – taking unneeded hits instead of safely throwing the ball away.

Quarterback Mike White: Summary

 

Second-year Cowboys Quarterback Cooper Rush may have the edge on the primary backup spot to Prescott in 2018, thanks to familiarity in Dallas, but Mike White is well on his way with the arm talent to standout all summer long.

At worst, the Cowboys will not experience a drop off in developing their new WRs when White is throwing them the ball. Gifted with a big arm and showing flashes of next-level touch, Mike White is the perfect rookie quarterback for Scott Linehan and Kellen Moore to begin working with.

Yeah, a few weeks ago I posted a similar report on White's arm strength saying he could make all the NFL throws.  They were a bit more harsh on other elements of White's game.  Saying although he had a strong arm, like Sam, as he went up field a ways the throws lost accuracy, but had a lot of pop on intermediate throws.

White also ran a 5.1 40.  DT territory, and isn't very effective outside the pocket.  This report seems to say he's OK outside the pocket.  At 5.1 IMO that's a reach.

I've been a Wilson fan since before last Thanksgiving, and still think he's goiung to be an elite QB in the NFL, but if White can maintain his preformance on the underneath throws, and streach the field a bit with strong throws in the 15-20 range the Jets will have a sensational QB room.

If White's going to do it, this is the game to showcase it. White beats the Bills with a strong preformance the Jets will be in great shape.     JMO

 

 

[Skeet Ulrich]

Everyone going gaga over White, the Bills coming in off a bad loss to Jacksonville. 

 

Take the Bills, lay the 13. Bills rout with White looking abysmal. It's the Jet way.

 

[sec101row23]

Considering the Jets “best” WR wasn’t playing is a factor that’s been largely overlooked.  

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, Lith said:

I was thnking maybe Zach could be our designated Hail Mary guy, especially since we lost Morgan after his pre-season heroics.

So, when does your name change to MikEY.

 

1 hour ago, ZachEY said:

Do you really think of the two name options for this QB, "MikEY" would be the one I'd go with?

Do we really want to be guaranteeing the failure that historically comes with the dreaded EY curse?

[JTJet]

On 11/10/2021 at 11:42 AM, heymangold said:

We’ll see how he plays against a real defense 

Apparently not well. 

[Rhg1084]

Brit back Zach!

[Peace Frog]

So safe to say a 2nd round tender? 

[Uncle Nicco]

I don’t want to hear this guys name ever again. 

[Skeet Ulrich]

On 11/12/2021 at 11:18 AM, Skeet Ulrich said:

Everyone going gaga over White, the Bills coming in off a bad loss to Jacksonville. 

 

Take the Bills, lay the 13. Bills rout with White looking abysmal. It's the Jet way.

 

Hope you made some money, this was an absolute no-brainer.

[Ecuadorian Jet]

We all knew that White was going to be a disaster today when he came out with that statement about being a 1st round pick.