Flacco and Mike White on the Covid-19 List

[Matt39]

3 minutes ago, ZachEY said:

What’s a mall?

I guess you could call it seasonal, but I think it’s closer to an indoor/outdoor thing.  Summer in Florida is a lot more indoor, so that’s when you saw higher rates.  Now, lower.

I completely agree the restaurant stuff is silly, but as someone who goes to restaurants in NYC and Northern NJ with some regularity, I can tell you that in my experience that’s no longer actually a thing.  Can’t tell you the last time I’ve walked in with a mask.

Policy on all of this will fade.  Maybe not as quickly as you like, but it’s already happening.  As for the TV… turn it off.  It’s no worse then news channels covering a niche book they never read that is taught in some universities and telling people it’s in elementary school curriculum nonstop until they didn’t which was coincidentally the day after an election.  Or, just watch House Hunters International like the rest of us.

Sorry, outdoor mall lol. 

As far as the TV- I have ! It's just part of the football convo all the time too now. I dont see the rationale in testing vaccinated players. 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

24 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Nothing in life is 100%.  

so we are going for 100% now? I wish people would really understand the statistics and the risk with Covid rather than listening to the fear porn constantly being pushed.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

31 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Not to start a Florida vs the world debate but I believe we have the lowest numbers and hardly any masking. Indicates to me it’s a seasonal thing.

Viruses have ebbs and flows, its how they work, covid is a virus, the sooner people realize that the better off everyone will be.

[slimjasi]

29 minutes ago, Butterfield said:

Seasonality is part of it.  And, of course, it makes sense to mask more often as the numbers rise.  

 

[playtowinthegame]

3 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

so we are going for 100% now? I wish people would really understand the statistics and the risk with Covid rather than listening to the fear porn constantly being pushed.

Vaccines keep most out the hospitals, which are getting maxed out at the moment in Upstate NY. Me personally I was vaccinated with two doses of Pfizer and was past my 6 months period in late October. I caught Covid in early November, and over my bad cold symptoms in 5 days. I'm scheduled to get my booster soon. Gettin vaccinated is smart not only for yourself, but for the community you live in. Nothing fear porn about that. 

[Flea Flicking Frank]

2 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Vaccines keep most out the hospitals, which are getting maxed out at the moment in Upstate NY. Me personally I was vaccinated with two doses of Pfizer and was past my 6 months period in late October. I caught Covid in early November, and over my bad cold symptoms in 5 days. I'm scheduled to get my booster soon. Gettin vaccinated is smart not only for yourself, but for the community you live in. Nothing fear porn about that. 

You know what keeps people out of hospitals against covid at a higher statistical rate than the vaccine? Not being obese and not smoking.  Yet not once has anyone who loves to spread fear pointed that out. Why is that?

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Vaccines keep most out the hospitals, which are getting maxed out at the moment in Upstate NY. Me personally I was vaccinated with two doses of Pfizer and was past my 6 months period in late October. I caught Covid in early November, and over my bad cold symptoms in 5 days. I'm scheduled to get my booster soon. Gettin vaccinated is smart not only for yourself, but for the community you live in. Nothing fear porn about that. 

Isn't the vax rate in NYS really high? 

[playtowinthegame]

1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

You know what keeps people out of hospitals against covid at a higher statistical rate than the vaccine? Not being obese and not smoking.  Yet not once has anyone who loves to spread fear pointed that out. Why is that?

Bottom line hospitals serve communities and when they're not able to serve them because they're maxed out it's a problem. Quickest solution is getting the vaccine. Not getting one at this point is pretty selfish.

[Lupz27]

15 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Pretty much yeah, and 99.9% of the medical community agrees.  

Apparently @Lupz27 doesnt.  Lets see 99.9%of the medical community or Lupz27 who for some lame reason thinks the message is a reason to downvote the messenger. 

 

Well considering MY Dr. who performed surgery on told me the vaccine is useless I guess I have the .01% of the medical field working on me ??‍♂️.

And **** off don’t at me with this political bullsh*t!  I take it as a personal attack.

[playtowinthegame]

5 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Isn't the vax rate in NYS really high? 

Erie County is getting bad, and it's mostly the unvaccinated driving the hospital surge. 

Here is a link if you want to look up any County in NY

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view&list_select_state=New York&list_select_county=36029&list_select_map_data_parent=Risk&map-metrics-cv-comm-transmission=community_transmission_level&list_select_map_data_metro=all

[Jet Nut]

32 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Cleared to play =/= Named the starter

= Conspiracy

[Jet Nut]

4 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Well considering MY Dr. who performed surgery on told me the vaccine is useless I guess I have the .01% of the medical field working on me ??‍♂️.

And **** off don’t at me with this political bullsh*t!  I take it as a personal attack.

Pretty much yeah.  

[ZachEY]

5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

Well considering MY Dr. who performed surgery on told me the vaccine is useless

[Barry McCockinner]

6 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Erie County is getting bad, and it's mostly the unvaccinated driving the hospital surge. 

Here is a link if you want to look up any County in NY

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#county-view&list_select_state=New York&list_select_county=36029&list_select_map_data_parent=Risk&map-metrics-cv-comm-transmission=community_transmission_level&list_select_map_data_metro=all

So I just looked it up and it's less than 60% of the hospitalizations that are the unvaccinated. That means over 40% of them are vaccinated. The majority are unvaccinated, true. My point is that based on this small example the vaccination doesn't seem to be so effective at keeping people out of the hospital. Not making any conclusions based on it, just pointing at this specific example.

 

[jago]

You know what keeps people out of hospitals against covid at a higher statistical rate than the vaccine? Not being obese and not smoking.  Yet not once has anyone who loves to spread fear pointed that out. Why is that?

this has been the case from the beginning of this debacle.

[RSJ]

You know what keeps people out of hospitals against covid at a higher statistical rate than the vaccine? Not being obese and not smoking.  Yet not once has anyone who loves to spread fear pointed that out. Why is that?

Weight seems to be overwhelmingly an issue with covid. Since the beginning though people have been scared to talk about that fact.


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[Flea Flicking Frank]

27 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

Bottom line hospitals serve communities and when they're not able to serve them because they're maxed out it's a problem. Quickest solution is getting the vaccine. Not getting one at this point is pretty selfish.

There have been multiple studies that have shown that the viral load for those infected with the virus who are vaccinated is identical to the viral load to those infected with the virus who are not vaccinated. The vaccine very clearly does not stop infections, and it likely does not even lessen your chance of getting infected based on every statistics and study I have seen. What the vaccine very clearly does, for a very limited time, is reduce your chance of getting severe enough symptoms to be hospitalized or die. So if that is the case, by your argument, people who are obese and people who smoke are also pretty sellfish.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

3 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

Weight seems to be overwhelmingly an issue with covid. Since the beginning though people have been scared to talk about that fact.


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Not sure if scared is the reason TBH, but it is so clearly statistically the highest risk outside of very old age, and diabetes, which in many cases is also weight related.

[Butterfield]

51 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

so we are going for 100% now? I wish people would really understand the statistics and the risk with Covid rather than listening to the fear porn constantly being pushed.

What are you talking about?  

[RSJ]

There have been multiple studies that have shown that the viral load for those infected with the virus who are vaccinated is identical to the viral load to those infected with the virus who are not vaccinated. The vaccine very clearly does not stop infections, and it likely does not even lessen your chance of getting infected based on every statistics and study I have seen. What the vaccine very clearly does, for a very limited time, is reduce your chance of getting severe enough symptoms to be hospitalized or die. So if that is the case, by your argument, people who are obese and people who smoke are also pretty sellfish.

It is true that the vaccine kept hospitalization down which is very good obviously. What has not been clear is how long that lasts. I dont think they knew the answer of that beyond just an educated or scientific guess. They couldnt have known because it wasnt even researched that long.

Also smoking was initially thought to be a major contributor but it turns out its pretty negligible.


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[Butterfield]

47 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

 

No need to get defensive.  

[Butterfield]

38 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Isn't the vax rate in NYS really high? 

Depends on your definition of “really high”

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 hour ago, Jet Nut said:

Google how many and the number is 775 K.  Sue me for almost 800 K

I did go braindead and throw the M in instead of K but hell thats a hell of a lot of dead people for a made up problem.  Which was the point.

 

I don't think anyone in the world is saying its a made up problem, for certain cohorts, the problem is real. The issue is that nobody wants to talk about those cohorts. The other issue is the so called science is muting and labeling any legit dr's and scientists with an opposing view as misinformation. That by definition is not science. The literal idea of science is forming a hypothesis, and then testing it thoroughly with opposing points of view. What people are actually saying is follow the dogma. Covid is real, the vaccine absolutely is necessary for certain cohorts. But the fear propoganda and response to covid does not in any way justify the data, neither does the actual data about the vaccine.

 

Theres a saying that is really important, truths don't mind to be questioned, lies hate to be challenged.

[playtowinthegame]

7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

So I just looked it up and it's less than 60% of the hospitalizations that are the unvaccinated. That means over 40% of them are vaccinated. The majority are unvaccinated, true. My point is that based on this small example the vaccination doesn't seem to be so effective at keeping people out of the hospital. Not making any conclusions based on it, just pointing at this specific example.

 

The unvaccinated are the major drivers of the surge, and guess who's mostly in the ICU's. The unvaccinated. 

Among those patients, 35 (66%) of 53 patients admitted to the ICU were not fully vaccinated; and, 22 (63%) of 35 patients with an airway assist were not fully vaccinated. Vaccines work to reduce the risk of serious illness and hospitalization. The New York State Department of Health (NYSDOH) publishes statewide data for COVID-19 cases over time by vaccination status, and daily hospital admissions over time by vaccination status.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

3 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

It is true that the vaccine kept hospitalization down which is very good obviously. What has not been clear is how long that lasts. I dont think they knew the answer of that beyond just an educated or scientific guess. They couldnt have known because it wasnt even researched that long.

Also smoking was initially thought to be a major contributor but it turns out its pretty negligible.


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while smoking may be negligible, and I have seen opposing studies on that too, obesity is not debate-able and is the single highest risk factor outside of being over 70. I'd have a lot more respect for the powers that be if they talked about these things.

[DonCorleone]

16 hours ago, T0mShane said:

What you unwashed Jets fans don’t understand is that we have a “plan,” you see, and that “plan” is beyond your comprehension

We's just too stupid to gets it.

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 minute ago, playtowinthegame said:

The unvaccinated are the major drivers of the surge, and guess who's mostly in the ICU's. The unvaccinated. 

Among those patients, 35 (66%) of 53 patients admitted to the ICU were not fully vaccinated; and, 22 (63%) of 35 patients with an airway assist were not fully vaccinated. Vaccines work to reduce the risk of serious illness and hospitalization. The New York State Department of Health (NYSDOH) publishes statewide data for COVID-19 cases over time by vaccination status, and daily hospital admissions over time by vaccination status.

Unvaccinated obese people are the major drivers of the surge. In fact, being obese and vaccinated is at a higher risk of being hospitalized than being not obese and not vaccinated.

If Vaccines are good, salads are great. And I am vaccinated.

[ZachEY]

23 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

So I just looked it up and it's less than 60% of the hospitalizations that are the unvaccinated. That means over 40% of them are vaccinated. The majority are unvaccinated, true. My point is that based on this small example the vaccination doesn't seem to be so effective at keeping people out of the hospital. Not making any conclusions based on it, just pointing at this specific example.

 

Again, base rate fallacy.

[Butterfield]

1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

while smoking may be negligible, and I have seen opposing studies on that too, obesity is not debate-able and is the single highest risk factor outside of being over 70. I'd have a lot more respect for the powers that be if they talked about these things.

Juat because you aren’t seeing it, doesn’t mean people aren’t talking about those things.

[Butterfield]

1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Unvaccinated obese people are the major drivers of the surge. In fact, being obese and vaccinated is at a higher risk of being hospitalized than being not obese and not vaccinated.

If Vaccines are good, salads are great. And I am vaccinated.

Its a good thing no one in America is obese.  

[Flea Flicking Frank]

Just now, Butterfield said:

Juat because you aren’t seeing it, doesn’t mean people aren’t talking about those things.

ok, fine, but tell me the next time CNN or MSNBC or any other major media outlet talks about it, because this is where the majority of people are formulating their opinions .

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 minute ago, Butterfield said:

Its a good thing no one in America is obese.  

salads are not the enemy

[Butterfield]

Just now, Flea Flicking Frank said:

ok, fine, but tell me the next time CNN or MSNBC or any other major media outlet talks about it, because this is where the majority of people are formulating their opinions .

Why would you watch cable tv for your news and information?  

[Jet Nut]

29 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

So I just looked it up and it's less than 60% of the hospitalizations that are the unvaccinated. That means over 40% of them are vaccinated. The majority are unvaccinated, true. My point is that based on this small example the vaccination doesn't seem to be so effective at keeping people out of the hospital. Not making any conclusions based on it, just pointing at this specific example.

 

Think your numbers are wrong

[playtowinthegame]

18 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

There have been multiple studies that have shown that the viral load for those infected with the virus who are vaccinated is identical to the viral load to those infected with the virus who are not vaccinated. The vaccine very clearly does not stop infections, and it likely does not even lessen your chance of getting infected based on every statistics and study I have seen. What the vaccine very clearly does, for a very limited time, is reduce your chance of getting severe enough symptoms to be hospitalized or die. So if that is the case, by your argument, people who are obese and people who smoke are also pretty sellfish.

So you expect some of these obese people and smokers to just wave a wand and magically lose weight and quit their smoking in the next 5 to 6 weeks? Sounds like a great plan Einstein. 

Also your dead wrong about who's spreading the virus mostly. Vaccinated people spread the virus less overall because they are significantly less likely to get infected in the first place. In early September, the CDC found that six unvaccinated people were testing COVID-positive for every one vaccinated person. But there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic beyond that. Some recent research shows that even once they’ve been infected, the vaccinated are less likely to spread the coronavirus than the unvaccinated. “We’re back in this category of Yeah, it can happen, but it seems to be a very rare event,” Ross Kedl, an immunology professor at the University of Colorado School of Medicine, told me.