SoFlaJets Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Warfish said: I'm not sure I agree. We've been down 7 or 11 or even 14, I wouldn't call that "way behind" in a way that means we dump the running game. If we wait to run till we have a lead, we may not be doing any running this season, lol. That's what I would call a BIG lead Fish, when the Jets can only score with Greg the Leg kicks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Coquito said: I suggest you re-watch Super Bowl XXV. I suggest you get your head out of your ass. that was over 30 years ago the game has changed. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 FULLY agree. But, lets say we lose. How many Jet fans will be calling for JD's head? JD isn't the coach. We should be calling for the Lafleur and Saleh's heads. YES! We are in week 4 and we are down to signing practice squad guys on LT. sh*t happens. But JD has put together 1/2 a decent line, solid RB's, solid TE's, and we actually have DEPTH at WR. This isn't on him. This is on the coaching staff not putting together successful game plans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: This fool of a head coach who is so cool and all the players really like him because he's like one of the boys man has never led in a game yet-20 games and counting and the Jets under the wooden Indian have played all 20 games from behind Saleh has won games so he must’ve led in games… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Rico Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, LockeJET said: I suggest you get your head out of your ass. that was over 30 years ago the game has changed. 3 downs, ten yards. 60 minutes. What's changed? Eggheads complicating simple sh*t? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 LaFleur will adjust and be fine. Dudbrich on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 hours ago, jgb said: Saleh has won games so he must’ve led in games… he has started every game from behind John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: he has started every game from behind John Ah gotcha so the Saleh Jets have never scored first? That’s dismal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: he has started every game from behind John They were ahead of the Bengals 7-0 at the end of the 1st quarter last year. They also scored first 7-0 against Tampa Bay last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Yea I couldn't believe it either and there were 2 games during Gase's last season to start THE STREAK OF INEPTITUDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Joejet said: They were ahead of the Bengals 7-0 at the end of the 1st quarter last year. they said it on the game broadcast on Sunday so I will check this out to see if they were wrong or you are wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: they said it on the game broadcast on Sunday so I will check this out to see if they were wrong or you are wrong I looked further and they also scored first against Tampa Bay last year 7-0. I edited my other post to add that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: they said it on the game broadcast on Sunday so I will check this out to see if they were wrong or you are wrong They also scored 1st in the Houston game and they were up 10-0 in the 2nd Miami game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 They said something about a 20 game streak of being behind now I went back and looked and Joe is right so then I thought maybe they meant in September but that streak stands at "only" 11 games. I Wonder if they meant they came out after halftime behind 20 in a row...back to the NFL History site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 It's not that either because they went into halftime up against The Bucs last year-it had to be a mistake that they reported during the game-if somebody has the video maybe they can tell us what they were talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: They said something about a 20 game streak of being behind now I went back and looked and Joe is right so then I thought maybe they meant in September but that streak stands at "only" 11 games. I Wonder if they meant they came out after halftime behind 20 in a row...back to the NFL History site... Nope, we were up 17-10 over Tampa at the half last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 minute ago, SoFlaJets said: It's not that either because they went into halftime up against The Bucs last year-it had to be a mistake that they reported during the game-if somebody has the video maybe they can tell us what they were talking about Beat me by a second on this post! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Did anybody else hear the announcers saying something about a 20 game streak that the Jets owned? I know I heard it and I know it wasn't a good streak to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said: Did anybody else hear the announcers saying something about a 20 game streak that the Jets owned? I know I heard it and I know it wasn't a good streak to have. Isn't it what you were saying? Saleh has never scored first in a game as HC. I haven’t looked into it myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Yes, an announcer said it during Sunday's broadcast and he was wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 the game dictates how much we can run. if you forget we avg 2 YPC in the 1st half vs the Bengals. it wasnt working. they finished with nice YPC but thats when they were playing for the pass. my guess is Pitt will load the box and force Zach to beat them in the air. i dont expect this heavy running attack. and if they try to force it when it isnt working or running on 3rd and 5 and coming up a yard short they should all be fired. including Zach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 well the streak wasnt scoring 1st. we scored 1st in the Bengals, Texans, Eagles, Dolphins and Bucs games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballLove Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 My favorite game plans are those that don't establish the run or the pass. Plays that come out one after the other like a well-oiled machine and the defense has no clue what the play will be. And us fans don't know for sure either. Pass??? Nope, end around for 20. Run on 3rd and 1? Nope. Pass down the seam for 30. Just a series of nice, successful runs and passes, passes and runs, coming at any time from any formation, and with the talent to make 90% of the runs and passes connect. A completely balanced offense. I get the whole "Establish the run early, control the ball, get Carter and Breece into a rhythm. Then, when the D moves safties up to stuff the run, toss the rock over their heads. BUT now your game plan has an identity. Something our offense is known for. You're going to open the game by establishing the run with our 2 superstars. But what you've done is give every DC all the inside info they need to shut us down. Identity = Predictability Where no identity = Un-Predictable Be unpredictable (but good at what we do) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 This idea that all the problems with the offense can be solved by handing off the ball was outdated 30 years ago It only makes sense if the qb is a legitimate threat to run himself like Lamar or Jalen or even Josh Allen The numbers of 7 blockers vs 8 or 9 defenders are just never going to square up The Jets have to throw because other teams stack the box. Teams are daring the Jets qbs to beat them through the air and that only seems to happen in garbage time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 OK I figured it out. The "20 games in a row" that the announcer was referring to was this: at some point in the previous 20 games in a row, the New York Jets at some point in every one of those games, was playing from behind. The last time they played a game where they led throughout, was December 20, 2020 against the Rams, when they actually played a full game ahead of the opposition. The idea that this might be the case occurred to me during one of my hourly every hour on the half hour trips to the outhouse on the back edge of the property. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 10:22 PM, LIJetsFan said: My understanding is that the guys on the OL would rather be attacking in the run game than defending in the passing game. Since they can't pass block anyway I'm for a return to ground and pound. Three and out. Lets Go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 hours ago, bitonti said: This idea that all the problems with the offense can be solved by handing off the ball was outdated 30 years ago It only makes sense if the qb is a legitimate threat to run himself like Lamar or Jalen or even Josh Allen The numbers of 7 blockers vs 8 or 9 defenders are just never going to square up The Jets have to throw because other teams stack the box. Teams are daring the Jets qbs to beat them through the air and that only seems to happen in garbage time No one seems to be in agreement here or is coming up with a viable solution. There has to be a middle ground approach that’s going to work and satisfies the masses. How about we just alternate the run and pass. One play run….next pass….next run…next pass. The Steelers will never see that coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 By the time the Jets were 20-6 down our running game had consisted of 9 carries for 15 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 7 hours ago, SoFlaJets said: Yes, an announcer said it during Sunday's broadcast and he was wrong The stat was that they trailed at some point in 22 straight games. Never went wire to wire with a lead in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 9:48 PM, LionelRichie said: Lol, now we’re begging for the ground and pound. When that was the philosophy everyone wanted to throw the ball to be ‘modern’. I agree with the OP but I am very mindful of those criticisms of Rex and Bowles and that they ran too much! Oh Boy….. Alas it is the Life of a Jets Fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 8 hours ago, doitny said: the game dictates how much we can run. if you forget we avg 2 YPC in the 1st half vs the Bengals. it wasnt working. they finished with nice YPC but thats when they were playing for the pass. my guess is Pitt will load the box and force Zach to beat them in the air. i dont expect this heavy running attack. and if they try to force it when it isnt working or running on 3rd and 5 and coming up a yard short they should all be fired. including Zach Where are you seeing this YPC from? I keep seeing people saying that we're not effective running the ball in the first half but that's just not accurate at all. I've broken this down by play. So it makes no sense unless the YPC include sacks and any of those end arounds that were stopped for a loss? Because it doenst add up otherwise. First and foremost, Hall has only 4 rushing attempts in the 1st quarter, which is mind blowing but a fact. And yes, he's only averaging 2.3 per w/ those 4, 1st quarter attempts but **** sake....lol...that's not a sample size. Meanwhile, Carter has 11 and he's averaging 4.5 ypc in the 1st quarter. In the 2nd quarter, Hall jumps up to a whopping, 5.4 ypc and Carter a 4.7. That's not ineffective running. It's in fact, quite effective. They're just not running the F'ing ball. They have 23 first half carries vs. 61 first half passes, with the corpse of Joe Flacco. It's ******* mind boggling stupid and it speaks directly to the false narrative that a. they're not running the ball well in the first half and b. the ypc has been accumulated because the D is on their heels defending the pass. It's 100% play calling, it has not been dictated by the score and it's ******* stupid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 51 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: By the time the Jets were 20-6 down our running game had consisted of 9 carries for 15 yards. Where are you guys finding these "stats"? On the very first drive, Carter carried it twice for 10 yards, Hall carried it once for 3 yards, and then on the very next drive, Carter had a 5 yard carry. I'm bad at the maths but that's more than 15. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, JiFapono said: Where are you seeing this YPC from? I keep seeing people saying that we're not effective running the ball in the first half but that's just not accurate at all. I've broken this down by play. So it makes no sense unless the YPC include sacks and any of those end arounds that were stopped for a loss? Because it doenst add up otherwise. First and foremost, Hall has only 4 rushing attempts in the 1st quarter, which is mind blowing but a fact. And yes, he's only averaging 2.3 per w/ those 4, 1st quarter attempts but **** sake....lol...that's not a sample size. Meanwhile, Carter has 11 and he's averaging 4.5 ypc in the 1st quarter. In the 2nd quarter, Hall jumps up to a whopping, 5.4 ypc and Carter a 4.7. That's not ineffective running. It's in fact, quite effective. Where are you getting these stats? 1st & 10 at NYJ 15 (14:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Br.Hall up the middle to NYJ 17 for 2 yards (Z.Carter; L.Wilson). 1st & 10 at NYJ 40 (13:13 - 2nd) Br.Hall right tackle to NYJ 39 for -1 yards (V.Bell). 1st & 10 at NYJ 38 (7:26 - 2nd) Mi.Carter left end to NYJ 36 for -2 yards (M.Hilton, D.Reader). 2nd & 10 at NYJ 25 (5:22 - 2nd) Br.Hall left guard to NYJ 27 for 2 yards (T.Hendrickson; C.Sample). 1st & 10 at NYJ 19 (3:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Br.Hall up the middle to NYJ 24 for 5 yards (B.Hill). CIN-D.Reader was injured during the play. https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437740 Unless I'm missing something those are our running stats in the 2nd quarter. In the first quarter in we had 6 carries for 16 yards. I am retarded so it's possible I'm missing something tbf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: Where are you getting these stats? 1st & 10 at NYJ 15 (14:56 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Br.Hall up the middle to NYJ 17 for 2 yards (Z.Carter; L.Wilson). 1st & 10 at NYJ 40 (13:13 - 2nd) Br.Hall right tackle to NYJ 39 for -1 yards (V.Bell). 1st & 10 at NYJ 38 (7:26 - 2nd) Mi.Carter left end to NYJ 36 for -2 yards (M.Hilton, D.Reader). 2nd & 10 at NYJ 25 (5:22 - 2nd) Br.Hall left guard to NYJ 27 for 2 yards (T.Hendrickson; C.Sample). 1st & 10 at NYJ 19 (3:00 - 2nd) (Shotgun) Br.Hall up the middle to NYJ 24 for 5 yards (B.Hill). CIN-D.Reader was injured during the play. https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437740 Unless I'm missing something those are our running stats in the 2nd quarter. In the first quarter in we had 6 carries for 16 yards. I am retarded so it's possible I'm missing something tbf. 1st quarter - Carter had 4 carries for 15 yards, Hall had 1 for 3. So sure, not a mind blowing ypc but for **** sake. 5 runs? You're going to have some short sort ones and no gains if you're committing to the run but 5 carries is not enough for anyone to get into any type of rhythm or establish any type of run threat/play action, etc. I guess it wasnt that much more than you originally quoted but still that # had to include loss on sacks and the end around because after this, Hall had 2 more carries for, one for 2 yards, the other for 5, on 1st down, and then threw the ball for the rest of the half. It's just a very unhealthy balance either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/26/2022 at 9:48 PM, LionelRichie said: Lol, now we’re begging for the ground and pound. When that was the philosophy everyone wanted to throw the ball to be ‘modern’. Yeah but Namath retired! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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