Douglas/FO v Saleh/LaFleur over benching Zach Wilson(?)

[T0mShane]

Most recent Cimini pod has Cimini putting the brakes on Glazer’s reporting that Zach is on his way out. Very interesting and heretofore unrevealed nugget that Douglas was the one who resisted benching Zach Wilson after Pats Disaster II, and it’ll be Douglas making the call as to whether Zach stays or goes this offseason. Cimini surmises that Douglas and his scouts don’t want that Josh Rosen-like black mark on their resumés, but Saleh and LaFleur want him out. 
 

Interesting side by side with Rosenblatt’s note that, when they benched Zach Wilson in the third quarter of the Jags game, Zach took the field with the offensive huddle, the boos rained down, and then they pulled Zach and made him jog off the field to cheers. If anyone was at the game, was that the sequence of events? If so, harsh, but you would presume intentional. Shades of Rex Ryan trying to make Antonio Allen play corner to teach Idzik a lesson for not signing DRC. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/flight-deck-with-rich-cimini/id1466085257?i=1000591411127

[Matt39]

I don’t think there is any doubt there’s friction. The play to potentially land an Adam Peters (Saleh’s guy) could be on the table. (Purely speculative) Similar to the Gase Maccagnan situation. 

[CanadienJetsFan]

And it continues..Conspiracy theorists must conspire, lol!

Ps, Cimini is a dick.

He’s been waiting to stick it to this franchise for years… Again

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t think there is any doubt there’s friction. The play to potentially land an Adam Peters (Saleh’s guy) could be on the table. (Purely speculative) Similar to the Gase Maccagnan situation. 

You have to think there’s a 0.0 chance Douglas gets fired this year. 

[Larz]

Cimini is the least plugged in source, everyone in the building hates him. He’s just going with the hot take here. 

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, CanadienJetsFan said:

He’s been waiting to stick it to this franchise for years… Again

Which is not all that hard, though

[CanadienJetsFan]

1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Which is not all that hard, though

Touché 

[Beerfish]

Jets coaches and front office totally and utterly blew it and are now trying to fix some things if they can or if not are not going to just toss the guy in the dust bin.

Wilson was totally not ready to be an nfl qb off the hop and a smart team would have brought in a legit vet started and had wilson sit for a year minimum. and if they fans don't like it?  F'em

Also Douglas is not going to toss away a high asset quickly if some team actually made a swap offer of a trey lance or love he might listen but if Douglas has taught us one thing is that he is patient and will try and get max value from assets. 

He got a haul for Adams and did well in the Darnold trade, he told both Mims and Moore to sit down and shut up when they wanted trades.

Robert Saleh and MLF do not have enough cred banked to be shopping for their own groceries.

[Matt39]

8 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You have to think there’s a 0.0 chance Douglas gets fired this year. 

I think Woody is paying very close attention to how this season unfolds. Saleh didn’t build a carriage house to play Zach Wilson

[Larz]

So what’s the premise here. Saleh wanted to start Streveler?  Flacco ?

[BurntDice]

Just as an outsider looking in I had the vibe that they were really hand in hand with each other. Both sides have their input and they discuss everything. 
 

It’s possible that there is friction, but they seem very close and are willing to disagree but ultimately come to a meeting point. 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, BurntDice said:

Just as an outsider looking in I had the vibe that they were really hand in hand with each other. Both sides have their input and they discuss everything. 
 

It’s possible that there is friction, but they seem very close and are willing to disagree but ultimately come to a meeting point. 

Whose decision was it to rely on Becton? If there’s any truth to this then I think it’s obvious they may not be on the same page. We’re still holding onto the crappy punter too.

[K_O_Brien]

20 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

I don’t think there is any doubt there’s friction. The play to potentially land an Adam Peters (Saleh’s guy) could be on the table. (Purely speculative) Similar to the Gase Maccagnan situation. 

Why would Woody favor Saleh in a power struggle? Douglas is much better at his job than Saleh is at his.

[Matt39]

Just now, K_O_Brien said:

Why would Woody favor Saleh in a power struggle? Douglas is much better at his job than Saleh is at his.

Douglas has 13 wins in 3 seasons. 

[Trotter]

Saleh reports to JD

So the theory here is Saleh is going to Woody to can his boss and bring someone else in to replace?

Let me know how that works out 

[BurntDice]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Whose decision was it to rely on Becton? If there’s any truth to this then I think it’s obvious they may not be on the same page. We’re still holding onto the crappy punter too.

We have no idea on most of the behind the scenes stuff. JD was trying to bring in a vet tackle while Becton was healthy. A few guys came in. 

[Matt39]

1 minute ago, BurntDice said:

We have no idea on most of the behind the scenes stuff. JD was trying to bring in a vet tackle while Becton was healthy. A few guys came in. 

Also fair to speculate Douglas wanted Flacco to start to begin the season.

[carlito1171]

29 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Most recent Cimini pod has Cimini putting the brakes on Glazer’s reporting that Zach is on his way out. Very interesting and heretofore unrevealed nugget that Douglas was the one who resisted benching Zach Wilson after Pats Disaster II, and it’ll be Douglas making the call as to whether Zach stays or goes this offseason. Cimini surmises that Douglas and his scouts don’t want that Josh Rosen-like black mark on their resumés, but Saleh and LaFleur want him out. 
 

Interesting side by side with Rosenblatt’s note that, when they benched Zach Wilson in the third quarter of the Jags game, Zach took the field with the offensive huddle, the boos rained down, and then they pulled Zach and made him jog off the field to cheers. If anyone was at the game, was that the sequence of events? If so, harsh, but you would presume intentional. Shades of Rex Ryan trying to make Antonio Allen play corner to teach Idzik a lesson for not signing DRC. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/flight-deck-with-rich-cimini/id1466085257?i=1000591411127

FO and CS getting off the same page over a struggling player leading to both their firings….

Where have I seen this story before ?

 

[BurntDice]

1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

Also fair to speculate Douglas wanted Flacco to start to begin the season.

Eh this one I’m not really buying. There were multiple reports saying MW struggled in training camp. Saleh said this also 

[nj meadowlands]

31 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Interesting side by side with Rosenblatt’s note that, when they benched Zach Wilson in the third quarter of the Jags game, Zach took the field with the offensive huddle, the boos rained down, and then they pulled Zach and made him jog off the field to cheers. If anyone was at the game, was that the sequence of events? 

Yes, it was

[Sonny Werblin]

I'm pretty sure grown men can disagree on one thing and still work together.

[Joe W. Namath]

Saleh and Douglas have been in lockstep since day 1.  This is a well thought out plan agreed on by both of them.  And it would have worked flawlessly but White got hurt and they had to go back to Zach.

 

[K_O_Brien]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Douglas has 13 wins in 3 seasons. 

I appreciate that. But what has Saleh shown as a head coach, to suggest he should win any potential power struggle? 

[Matt39]

2 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said:

I appreciate that. But what has Saleh shown as a head coach, to suggest he should win any potential power struggle? 

Generally the team plays hard. The defense competes. Aside from the timeout debacle I think in games he’s decent. Overall I just don’t see the progress from a roster construction standpoint to trust Douglas to keep going. Wilson and Becton were absolutely brutal draft picks. A further dive into the day 2 and 3 picks isn’t pretty either. Zuniga over Highsmith? How? The punter is atrocious. Mims is a total bust. Too many bad picks that could have easily been avoided. 

[choon328]

32 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Most recent Cimini pod has Cimini putting the brakes on Glazer’s reporting that Zach is on his way out. Very interesting and heretofore unrevealed nugget that Douglas was the one who resisted benching Zach Wilson after Pats Disaster II, and it’ll be Douglas making the call as to whether Zach stays or goes this offseason. Cimini surmises that Douglas and his scouts don’t want that Josh Rosen-like black mark on their resumés, but Saleh and LaFleur want him out. 
 

Interesting side by side with Rosenblatt’s note that, when they benched Zach Wilson in the third quarter of the Jags game, Zach took the field with the offensive huddle, the boos rained down, and then they pulled Zach and made him jog off the field to cheers. If anyone was at the game, was that the sequence of events? If so, harsh, but you would presume intentional. Shades of Rex Ryan trying to make Antonio Allen play corner to teach Idzik a lesson for not signing DRC. 
 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/flight-deck-with-rich-cimini/id1466085257?i=1000591411127

Like I've been saying, the front office has been behind Zach Wilson playing the last 2 weeks when everyone knew he was the worst option. The front office may have sabotaged the season in order to not look like idiots. There are 32 GM positions. If a guy thinks his job is on the line he's going to do whatever it takes to save it regardless of the team winning. I don't know why that's hard to believe. 

[rldev]

25 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

You have to think there’s a 0.0 chance Douglas gets fired this year. 

Because there is 0 chance. No conspiracy needed.

[JTJet]

19 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Robert Saleh and MLF do not have enough cred banked to be shopping for their own groceries.

Bazinga. Right there. 

[nj meadowlands]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Generally the team plays hard. The defense competes. Aside from the timeout debacle I think in games he’s decent. Overall I just don’t see the progress from a roster r construction standpoint to trust Douglas to keep going. Wilson and Becton were absolutely brutal draft picks. 

You don't see roster construction progress, but cite Wilson and Becton without citing the following draft class?

[56mehl56]

Yeah when Zach was pulled he initially went out onto the field, I believe it was during a tv timeout. Then Streveler came running out and he exited . 

[BP]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmrpSHEpjWh/?igshid=NTdlMDg3MTY=

[Irish Jet]

If this is really the case then Douglas needs to be gone yesterday. Wow.

[BurntDice]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Generally the team plays hard. The defense competes. Aside from the timeout debacle I think in games he’s decent. Overall I just don’t see the progress from a roster construction standpoint to trust Douglas to keep going. Wilson and Becton were absolutely brutal draft picks. A further dive into the day 2 and 3 picks isn’t pretty either. Zuniga over Highsmith? How? The punter is atrocious. Mims is a total bust. Too many bad picks that could have easily been avoided. 

Look at the rest of the league. It’s impossible to hit on even 75% of picks. If you are around 55% then you are doing fantastic. 

[BP]

This isn’t because of Zach’s uncle being buddy buddy with woody, is it?

[rldev]

1 minute ago, choon328 said:

Like I've been saying, the front office has been behind Zach Wilson playing the last 2 weeks when everyone knew he was the worst option. The front office may have sabotaged the season in order to not look like idiots. There are 32 GM positions. If a guy thinks his job is on the line he's going to do whatever it takes to save it regardless of the team winning. I don't know why that's hard to believe. 

How exactly was the season sabotaged? Mike White was put in after New England, he got run over by a truck. Mike White is cleared to play, he is playing. What did you want them to do? Play Joe Flacco? I'm going to assume that's your answer. How did that go last time out? At least we had a chance to win the Detroit game.

[K_O_Brien]

Just now, Matt39 said:

Generally the team plays hard. The defense competes. Aside from the timeout debacle I think in games he’s decent. Overall I just don’t see the progress from a roster r construction standpoint to trust Douglas to keep going. Wilson and Becton were absolutely brutal draft picks. 

Is the defense good because of coaching, or is it a reflection of the talent on the roster? Increasingly, I think it's the latter. The Jets should have a top 5 defense. 

The offense is misfiring. Wilson and Becton should not have been picked when they were, but has Saleh managed to maximize their potential. Has Saleh maximised Mims and Moore? All these first and second round picks and Saleh doesn't know what to do with them. 

That's Saleh's problem, he doesn't seem to be able to work with 'difficult' players that need to be coached up.