Biggs Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 Jones is better than Carr or Garapollo and unlike Rodgers he doesn't look like he lives in a crypt during the day. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Daniel Jones has had one good year and that year saw him badly throw for 3,000 yards and only 15 tds. Yes, the rushing stats were there, but is that sustainable? Does he put himself at risk of injury? Dude was a turnover machine too. the upside is he’s 25 and still growing, but he doesn’t scream throw the bag at him yet. the giant fans on the fan dropping to their knees for this guy saw what he can be against the eagles and are pretending it didn’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSY14 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Noone is talking about the Jets considering Danny Dimes. A poor mans Lamar Jackson that will not break the bank, which is perfect match for Woody and JD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Apart from the thread on this forum about how we should consider Danny Dimes ...Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Jones has had one ok year. Some of y’all are talking about him like he’s an above average QB. He’s serviceable. Maybe. If we get to the Daniel Jones tier, just get a guy in that bucket for 1 year. 3/35 for Jones sounds wild. I cant imagine the Giants doing that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 3 hours ago, JETSY14 said: Noone is talking about the Jets considering Danny Dimes. A poor mans Lamar Jackson that will not break the bank, which is perfect match for Woody and JD If he's not going to break the bank then why wouldn't the Giants sign him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 9 hours ago, usanyj said: the giant fans on the fan dropping to their knees for this guy saw what he can be against the eagles and are pretending it didn’t happen. Probably because they see the situation that their co-tenants are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted February 5, 2023 Author Share Posted February 5, 2023 9 hours ago, usanyj said: Daniel Jones has had one good year and that year saw him badly throw for 3,000 yards and only 15 tds. Yes, the rushing stats were there, but is that sustainable? Does he put himself at risk of injury? Dude was a turnover machine too. the upside is he’s 25 and still growing, but he doesn’t scream throw the bag at him yet. the giant fans on the fan dropping to their knees for this guy saw what he can be against the eagles and are pretending it didn’t happen. in fairness to him, the giants have almost zero offensive talent. jones had a better season last year then any jet QB in what, 4 years? he's got a good arm, awesome mobility and has really cut down on his turnovers. he's 25 - proven he can play in NY. all i'm saying is he's probably the 3rd best option. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) I would not hate it (for the right $$$) ... but man .... falls into this Milktoast University category, joining the following list. Jimmy G. Ryan Tannehill Teddy Bridgewater Jacoby Brissett Case Keenum Mike White Guys that can play .. but are about as exciting as watching paint dry. Edited February 5, 2023 by Dunnie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 he had a ok to good YEAR. you want to give him a 30-40 mil dollar contract for 3-4 years off of one good season.? and if the Giants do let him go that should be a warning to us to not do it. they know him better. thing that scares me the most is if he came here he isnt going to have a RB get anywhere close to 1300 yds. i like Hall but coming off that injury we shouldnt expect that. maybe 800- 1000 yds. means Jones will have to throw it more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 I don’t see a scenario where he’s not back with the Giants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETSY14 Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 8 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Probably because they see the situation that their co-tenants are in. How they developed him and won to get in the second round of the playoffs. Alot more than we got out of a QB in 12 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 7:40 AM, GreenFish said: Jones has had one ok year. Some of y’all are talking about him like he’s an above average QB. He’s serviceable. Maybe. If we get to the Daniel Jones tier, just get a guy in that bucket for 1 year. 3/35 for Jones sounds wild. I cant imagine the Giants doing that. I can't imagine the Giants doing that either. Why? Because it is going to take more than that to sign him. Daniel Jones is going to far eclipse a 100 million dollar contract. This is the world we live in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 9:32 AM, Adoni Beast said: I don’t see a scenario where he’s not back with the Giants. I am thinking the same thing, but hoping they let him test free agency. That would be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Maxman said: I am thinking the same thing, but hoping they let him test free agency. That would be a mistake. I also think that Jones and his agent must realize that his production is maximized by the coach. It's not a coincidence he did this well under Daboll compared to the rest of his career. Kudos for Jones for doing it but I'm sure their Plan A is a long term deal with the Giants Plan B play on the franchise tag with the Giants for an even bigger monster deal 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5th year option would have cost them about $22 million. Franchise tag instead is gonna cost them around $32 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 57 minutes ago, Maxman said: I can't imagine the Giants doing that either. Why? Because it is going to take more than that to sign him. Daniel Jones is going to far eclipse a 100 million dollar contract. This is the world we live in. You might be right. It’s just unbelievable to me. How much better is Daniel Jones than Baker Mayfield? It’s a toss-up. But nobody is talking about signing Baker for anything meaningful. This is why no way do I touch Jones. 100M for Jones is a huge risk. Give me Tannehill or Baker for 1 year in this case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, GreenFish said: You might be right. It’s just unbelievable to me. How much better is Daniel Jones than Baker Mayfield? It’s a toss-up. But nobody is talking about signing Baker for anything meaningful. This is why no way do I touch Jones. 100M for Jones is a huge risk. Give me Tannehill or Baker for 1 year in this case. Baker is hot garbage. He was probably close to being out of the league when the Rams signed him as an emergency QB. He had 2 good games for them but one was against the disinterested and crappy Broncos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Baker is hot garbage. He was probably close to being out of the league when the Rams signed him as an emergency QB. He had 2 good games for them but one was against the disinterested and crappy Broncos. I know. But by what measure Daniel Jones materially better than Baker? Look at their careers. DJ is in the Baker category. So if Baker is garbage, how in the world is DJ for 100m a good idea? Baker likely gets a 1 year deal at $10M. That seems appropriate. Edit: I’m not advocating we get Baker. I want Carr or Rodgers. Just that after that, things drop big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 If Danny Dimes somehow hits the open market absolutely I’d take him. He was great last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 So here we go. Let’s compare a player we universally agree is not good versus Daniel Jones Career stats over a 17 game season Comp%, Total Yards, Total TD, Total Turnovers (I’m adding rushing) Baker: 61.4%, 4,002 yards, 26 TDs, 24 TOs Danny Dimes: 64.0%, 4,191 yards, 23 TDs, 24 TOs One is garbage and the other is a franchise QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, GreenFish said: So here we go. Let’s compare a player we universally agree is not good versus Daniel Jones Career stats over a 17 game season Comp%, Total Yards, Total TD, Total Turnovers (I’m adding rushing) Baker: 61.4%, 4,002 yards, 26 TDs, 24 TOs Danny Dimes: 64.0%, 4,191 yards, 23 TDs, 24 TOs One is garbage and the other is a franchise QB. https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/seasontype/2 So you are comparing Jones best season to Bakers worse season. Look I might be on island on this one. So, I’ll just bow out. No way would I sign him to anything more than a 1 year deal. But we will see what the Giants do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 If we get Carr or Jimmy G, the Jets' PR team is going to have to "sauce it up and top it with mozzzz" in order to sell it to the fanbase. @JiFields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Sign me up! With some talent around him for the first time in his career this dude will ball out. He’s a more accurate Josh Allen 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 58 minutes ago, GreenFish said: So you are comparing Jones best season to Bakers worse season. Look I might be on island on this one. So, I’ll just bow out. No way would I sign him to anything more than a 1 year deal. But we will see what the Giants do. Look at bakers ol/weapons in those years compared to what Jones has had. The #1 wr on the giants would prob be our 4th or 5th. Their TE would be #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Look at bakers ol/weapons in those years compared to what Jones has had. The #1 wr on the giants would prob be our 4th or 5th. Their TE would be #3 Too much of a risk for me. Time will tell. Just went through some Giants boards and they seem to think he is worth a multi year deal at $35-40M per year. He’s at best an ok QB. But the Jets are not getting him. So this debate doesn’t really matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/2/2023 at 5:26 PM, Flea Flicking Frank said: its amazing to me how a year ago at this time Jones was total sh*t and the Giants needed a QB, now they get a really good coach and we want to steal the QB from the Giants, who was complete sh*t a year ago. Only in Jetland Jones was never as bad as some made out. He’s been one of the better parts of an absolutely abysmal team. Has had a bottom 5 offensive line every year he’s been in the league. I’m not clamouring for him but we could do much worse. He’d be night and day from what we’ve had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, GreenFish said: Too much of a risk for me. Time will tell. Just went through some Giants boards and they seem to think he is worth a multi year deal at $35-40M per year. He’s at best an ok QB. But the Jets are not getting him. So this debate doesn’t really matter. Currently sure he’s just ok, but he was always a developmental type of qb. Also just being ok is a massive upgrade for us. He’s a good runner, strong arm, accurate. Has some fumble issues. It seemed to take a bit to click for him which took even longer with having no supporting cast. He’s a 65 comp % guy who can rush for 500+ yards a year and doesn’t throw a bunch of picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetluv58 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/3/2023 at 1:38 PM, Flea Flicking Frank said: Exactly, this is exactly what I was saying. There is nothing special about Jones, he was pretty putrid the past few years until very good coaches got a hold of him. If anyone thinks Jones did what he did with the Giants, with this Jets team this past year they are fooling themsleves. I don't see much of a difference between white and Jones at all White’s injury-prone tendencies maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flea Flicking Frank Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 21 hours ago, Jetluv58 said: White’s injury-prone tendencies maybe. sure, but if Daniel Jones took free rushing 350 lb tackles coming at him mulitple times per game like White did, he very well may have broken several ribs as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 21 hours ago, Irish Jet said: Jones was never as bad as some made out. He’s been one of the better parts of an absolutely abysmal team. Has had a bottom 5 offensive line every year he’s been in the league. I’m not clamouring for him but we could do much worse. He’d be night and day from what we’ve had. I have never been one to say Jones was terrible, I think he was more of a circumstance of crappy situation. BUT, prior to this year any thought of him being signed to a 35-40m per year long term deal would have been laughable. There was a question on whether or not he would even start this year, and it was a big thought that he would not even have his 5th year option . Prior to this year, he was not night and day better than mike white, not even close. This year, with really good coaching, yes. But we don't have really good coaching, so we would much more likely get previous Daniel Jones, not this years Jones. Coaching matters a ton, Jones is another in a long list of proof we have on this topic that Jets fans want to blatantly ignore and act like its all about hitting the QB lottery Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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