Cimini: Locker room is grumbling about Wilson, team is close to imploding

[Dunnie]

21 minutes ago, Jetluv58 said:

I feel like Rodgers will come back and get hurt quickly. 

cmon ... no one want that ... guy is recovering from a devastating injury right now.

[Augustiniak]

26 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

It's baffling that they haven't used Ruckert more.  And I completely agree they should use Izzy (especially over the washed Dalvin Cook) though maybe he's hurt?

I think jet coaches have a history of over reliance on vets when they fear for their job.  We’re in that situation again.  Also you have to assume that saleh figures that the young guys follow the lead of the older ones so if the vets revolt first then saleh’s job is gone. 

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Dunnie said:

cmon ... no one want that ... guy is recovering from a devastating injury right now.

Nobody wants that but it is a possibility and you also have to assume that the jets brass from woody on down now also assume it is a possibility.  This will factor into what they do in the draft. 

[Dunnie]

If you were presented with just the Headline that appears here ... and were told you would be executed if you could not guess who wrote it .... 75% of the guys here would be walking around the next day, 25% would have guessed Connor Hughes.

Edited September 27, 2023 by Dunnie

[bitonti]

22 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

The fact is that Rodgers started every game in 7 out of the last 8 seasons, last missing games in 2017.  Pause everyone, let that sink in before blaming this move on JD

Getting Rodgers was not the issue, nobody could have expected what actually happened.

Some People did expect it and those people were made fun of for being Debbie downers 

Some mentally ill poster even made a parody account @Fidelio Bitonti

I like that guy actually. Makes a lot of decent predictions

 

[Matt39]

I mean of course. You don’t think the other players know the Jets turned down calls from Ryan and Wentz to protect Richie Rich?

[dbatesman]

30 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Getting Rodgers was not the issue, nobody could have expected what actually happened.

Truly, nobody

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

2 minutes ago, bitonti said:

Some People did expect it and those people were made fun of for being Debbie downers 

Some mentally ill poster even made a parody account @Fidelio Bitonti

I like that guy actually. Makes a lot of decent predictions

 

You expected Rodgers to get hurt on the 4th offensive play of the season even though he hasn't missed a game since 2017? 

I know you called out the injury risks along with @FidelioJet, @Beerfish and @dbatesman  (among others) but what happened here could not have been predicted.  Unless you believe in a Jets curse.

Injury risks are prevalent in the NFL.  That's why you need competent backups.  

What other 30-40 year old QBs have had achilles ruptures in the last 10 years?  

Ultimately you were far far closer to being right than others, I'll give you that.

LOL on Fidelio Bitonti.  He is a lot smarter than people give him credit for.  

[Adoni Beast]

11 hours ago, Barton said:

Literally nobody on the roster wants Zach to be the starting QB. Nobody. 

By the play that I’ve witnesses, I’m not even sure that Zach Wilson wants to be …

[bonkertons]

Cimini is a hack.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

11 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Truly, nobody

Fair :).  But as you mentioned in a past interaction, you wouldn't have wanted Rodgers before any of his 35+ year old seasons.  A couple translated to MVPs and NFC Championship games.

JD went for HR and then witnessed some really really bad luck we are often accustomed to.  If Rodgers was the plan, a capable backup should have been part of it.  It wasn't.

Regardless, maybe there was a much better & younger option out there than Rodgers.  I was personally fine with Carr and there were others who wanted to give Minshew a chance.  

In retrospect, you were right because Rodgers ruptured his achilles.

[Augustiniak]

2 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Fair :).  But as you mentioned in a past interaction, you wouldn't have wanted Rodgers before any of his 35+ year old seasons.  A couple translated to MVPs and NFC Championship games.

JD went for HR and then witnessed some really really bad luck we are often accustomed to.  If Rodgers was the plan, a capable backup should have been part of it.  It wasn't.

Regardless, maybe there was a much better & younger option out there than Rodgers.  I was personally fine with Carr and there were others who wanted to give Minshew a chance.  

In retrospect, you were right because Rodgers ruptured his achilles.

Carr is hurt now too i think.  

 

[Dunnie]

Dick Cimini spotted

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

 The guy with whom I was arguing about Rodgers’ injury “concerns” wanted to sign Jacoby Brissett instead. Would I participate in foul back-alley hair-pulling sex with Ron Rivera in exchange for the rights to Jacoby Brissett right now? Yes. But would I take a healthy Brissett over a healthy Rodgers? No. Because I am all about championships

And that's the thing:  Quite a few of us were calling for BOTH.  Once Rodgers handed back the $35M we should have been looking to add a Brissett-quality backup, of which there were several available at the time.

[dbatesman]

13 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

But as you mentioned in a past interaction, you wouldn't have wanted Rodgers before any of his 35+ year old seasons.

This is not true, but I'll let it go because you said I was right

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

And that's the thing:  Quite a few of us were calling for BOTH.  Once Rodgers handed back the $35M we should have been looking to add a Brissett-quality backup, of which there were several available at the time.

It’s a fair request.  With hindsight often being 20/20, the jets were all in on rodgers, they didn’t want to bring in anyone else who could come in and do an adequate job, and i wonder if everyone was thinking, ok, we go for it the Aaron and if he gets hurt, we have a mulligan and reset for 2024.  But how often things don’t go according to plan.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

7 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This is not true, but I'll let it go because you said I was right

I'll find the quote..  

[Jetsplayer21]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

The fact is that Rodgers started every game in 7 out of the last 8 seasons, last missing games in 2017.  Pause everyone, let that sink in before blaming this move on JD

Getting Rodgers was not the issue, nobody could have expected what actually happened.

The problem was not getting a real backup and relying on the guy who was supposed to sit for a year or 2.  Illogical, irrational, stupid, jetsy.  This is JD’s primary responsibility, even if it means pushing back on the morons im the building who wanted this …

We all have had jobs (by my count 15-25% of us still do … if we had such a poor contingency plan for what we do then we’d probably be fired.  I know I would.  

Zach never should have been the lead backup.  Many of us stated this over and over again.  Injuries do happen to all different ages and especially to the Jets.

And yet here we are ….

Back up. When you had a qb last yr get murdered due to your weak OL line protection you didn’t fix, a competent qb2 is ideal. Ideal for a team expecting to go the distance. Especially for a qb about to turn 40. There was an enough $$ for a premier backup rb, should have been used on qb2 instead. It’s not about how much $ tied to 1 position. Simply fact JD cannot admit how bad Zach is. No way was he going to bury him at qb3 so he could be far from playing. He wanted him right up there, in case something happened to Aaron. Why they wanted rodgers lot more than Carr, because with Rodgers it would still be about Zach. Zach taking over, Zach learning from the best, etc. Again refusing to admit how bad of a qb he is. We all like fairy tales, but Zach was realistically never going to be the qb of future. All knew he was not a capable qb2. They didn’t even attempt to sign keep Mike white. They didn’t want to bring in decent backup now because JD did not want Saleh to have the option to bench zach for better option. 

[#27TheDominator]

45 minutes ago, Dunnie said:

If you were presented with just the Headline that appears here ... and were told you would be executed if you could not guess who wrote it .... 75% of the guys here would be walking around the next day, 25% would have guessed Connor Hughes.

25% of the board could not figure out that Cimini wrote a quote that starts "Cimini: "?  Sounds about right.

[Bugg]

9 hours ago, Maxman said:

You don't think Belichick would pick up Zach if he was waved? What an ultimate F U that would be. I am not saying he could turn him around, but you know he would try. That would be one last project for Billy Boy.

If you put him on the PS, nobody is picking him up to pay that contract. It's a sunk cost. There's nothing to be gained keeping this guy anywhere else.

Always thought Bitonti's contention that Wilson is a Woody Johnson production from beginning to end was f__in' nuts. Today anyway that doesn't seem so crazy. Kid was a total reach. Could've taken Sewell or Parsons and bumbled along with Darnold or signed some other FA. That this kid was still here is a joke. Teams cut bait on nonhackers all the time. Looks like jets failing to do so is an ownership decision, not a football one. Rodgers is 39; there was a good chance even in the best of circumstance he would miss some time.Because not bringing in a  real backup or not keeping Mike White is dereliction.

This whole "mentoring" thing has been an ownership invention. Are the Johnsons running this football team to win games? 

[jamesr]

Other than the brash / foolhardy statement of "Zach is our unquestioned starter" ... what is wrong with Boyle at QB? He's been here all camp, knows the playbook, and could start Sunday.

We have three weeks till our bye week. With Zach starting we'll be 1-5, 2-4 at absolute best (and that assumes we somehow beat Denver by just running the ball and playing D / ST). At a bare minimum, Boyle will give us the same outcome - and there's potential for us to actually look a bit more competent, score some points. Locker room harmony improves, etc etc. And if we still stink it up then Saleh / coaches can say with honesty "this isn't just about the QB".

Rhetorical question, I know, but we have Boyle as a backup for these scenarios. Put him out there, maybe good things happen.

[ChuckkieB]

I'm sorry, but Cimini is such a fraud. Any one of us on this board could have come up with his obvious common sense take on what's going on. It's all completely fabricated and passed off as "insider" reporting. GTFOOH!

 

  

[Adoni Beast]

47 minutes ago, bonkertons said:

Cimini is a hack.

Sure is...but he's spot on here.

[Larz]

This will be Salehs Waterloo, Little Bighorn 

 

[Ben Had]

This should help...

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colin-kaepernick-writes-jets-asking-join-team-risk-free-contingency-plan-calls-himself-elite-qb

[Adoni Beast]

3 minutes ago, Ben Had said:

This should help...

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/colin-kaepernick-writes-jets-asking-join-team-risk-free-contingency-plan-calls-himself-elite-qb

Well with an owner that has the political background that ours does, this was low hanging fruit for the Kaep Camp to jump on.

 

[Augustiniak]

6 minutes ago, Larz said:

This will be Salehs Waterloo, Little Bighorn 

 

I agree but it’s not saleh’s choice to keep wilson here.  He’s just stuck with him.  But yeah, i do think that this season is trending to be his last, and they’re going to be pretty much forced to draft another qb while telling rodgers it’s still his team as long as he can play.  But even rodgers has to realize that he’s going to be another injury away from the jets wanting to move on from him if only b/c of his unreliability.  

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

42 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

This is not true, but I'll let it go because you said I was right

On September 12th I wrote the following, to which you replied at the very bottom.  You can click in to see the full convo.

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On 9/12/2023 at 6:33 PM, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I guess I don't know why ...  would you say the same for a 35-38 year old? Because Rodgers started every game during those years.. winning 2 MVPs and making multiple NFC Championship games.

Not all 39 year olds are the same ..  Is that age simply your cut-off threshold?  Does something magically happen once you reach 39?  I mean Carl Lawson ruptured his Achilles at 26 or 27.  Other young guys have too.

 

 

[SoFlaJets]

If they start Wilson  and you guys all know clueless Saleh will, Tim Boyle will not be brought in until the game is already lost-just like they always do and when they are all sitting back in coverage and Boyle is throwing interceptions that EVERY other QB in the league and in history would throw the Zach truthers will be saying See? I told you Boyle sucks- Saleh sets this team up for failure-Wilson should be released

[More Cowbell]

10 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

When the 2024 league year starts.  So before Rodgers can play again.

Oh, you mean when Breece and Sauce, and GW are demanding to be traded? 

[Augustiniak]

10 minutes ago, SoFlaJets said:

If they start Wilson  and you guys all know clueless Saleh will, Tim Boyle will not be brought in until the game is already lost-just like they always do and when they are all sitting back in coverage and Boyle is throwing interceptions that EVERY other QB in the league and in history would throw the Zach truthers will be saying See? I told you Boyle sucks- Saleh sets this team up for failure-Wilson should be released

Also unclear if saleh will trot wilson out there to prove a point, that it’s the FO that kept him, saleh benched him last year, they didn’t keep the semi competent backup in white, and now woody and douglas don’t be surprised at the result.  The problem is that saleh is on the verge of losing whatever player support he has, they’re probably going to have to change coaches at season’s end, rodgers will be cheerleading from the sidelines and critical of everyone when he’s played 4 downs and may not play another.  Have to wonder if rodgers already realizes that he too may lose some of the control he thought he had, with the jets now keeping that 1st rounder which could well be top 10 or top 5 and qbs once again in the conversation with potential changes within the org.  

[dbatesman]

20 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

On September 12th I wrote the following, to which you replied at the very bottom.  You can click in to see the full convo.

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On 9/12/2023 at 6:33 PM, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

I guess I don't know why ...  would you say the same for a 35-38 year old? Because Rodgers started every game during those years.. winning 2 MVPs and making multiple NFC Championship games.

Not all 39 year olds are the same ..  Is that age simply your cut-off threshold?  Does something magically happen once you reach 39?  I mean Carl Lawson ruptured his Achilles at 26 or 27.  Other young guys have too.

 

 

I wasn’t saying I wouldn’t take Rodgers on the team at age 37. I was saying I would have had similar reservations about trading a first round pick plus other stuff for a 37-year-old QB as I did about doing so for a 39-year-old QB.

[Matt39]

49 minutes ago, Bugg said:

If you put him on the PS, nobody is picking him up to pay that contract. It's a sunk cost. There's nothing to be gained keeping this guy anywhere else.

Always thought Bitonti's contention that Wilson is a Woody Johnson production from beginning to end was f__in' nuts. Today anyway that doesn't seem so crazy. Kid was a total reach. Could've taken Sewell or Parsons and bumbled along with Darnold or signed some other FA. That this kid was still here is a joke. Teams cut bait on nonhackers all the time. Looks like jets failing to do so is an ownership decision, not a football one. Rodgers is 39; there was a good chance even in the best of circumstance he would miss some time.Because not bringing in a  real backup or not keeping Mike White is dereliction.

This whole "mentoring" thing has been an ownership invention. Are the Johnsons running this football team to win games? 

The 49ers knew Lance was DOA from the jump. They ran a real competition for the BACKUP job this summer and he lost. They moved him. They invested way more than the Jets did with Wilson too. Wilson is on the team because of Woody. I don’t see how anyone  with a straight face can deny this. 
 

also, the Simien signing is clearly a joke

 

[Augustiniak]

5 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The 49ers knew Lance was DOA from the jump. They ran a real competition for the BACKUP job this summer and he lost. They moved him. They invested way more than the Jets did with Wilson too. Wilson is on the team because of Woody. I don’t see how anyone  with a straight face can deny this. 
 

also, the Simien signing is clearly a joke

 

49ers got lucky with purdy, it allowed them to move on w/o consequence.  Teams like the 49ers keep drafting qbs b/c they know the more you draft, the better the odds you find someone who can play.  The jets need to take a qb each draft.  

[gastineau_intestinal_tract]

3 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

The 49ers knew Lance was DOA from the jump. They ran a real competition for the BACKUP job this summer and he lost. They moved him. They invested way more than the Jets did with Wilson too. Wilson is on the team because of Woody. I don’t see how anyone  with a straight face can deny this. 
 

also, the Simien signing is clearly a joke

 

yeah,..it doesn't make sense.  wentz looks like the best and most logical choice the jets have. the guy makes things exciting as well.  the fan base would rally for the guy as well as you know he can move the chains.

somebody posted the jets don't want to bring in a qb better than wilson...which is lol, but the way the whole "head scratching" mike white situation went down it can't be ruled out.