Popular Post Bobby816 Posted January 29 Popular Post Share Posted January 29 Was noticing yesterday that all 4 teams left in the playoffs had elite TEs. KC: Kelce SF: Kittle BAL: Andrews DET: LaPorta Bowers at 10 is starting to be my favorite pick. He in essence would knock 2 birds out with 1 stone. Getting an elite playmaker at a position they’re pretty much always a mismatch for defenses at. As well as a capable blocker. We all know the OL needs to addressed. But maybe go and do that in FA to where we can truly go BPA at 10. We know we really liked Mayer last year at TE and nearly drafted him. So we clearly think TE is valuable with us spending money on Conklin and Uzo 2 years ago and drafting Ruckert mid round a couple years ago. 8 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlito1171 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 If we find a way to address WR2 and OL in FA I wouldn't hate it at all...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Was noticing yesterday that all 4 teams left in the playoffs had elite TEs. KC: Kelce SF: Kittle BAL: Andrews DET: LaPorta Bowers at 10 is starting to be my favorite pick. He in essence would knock 2 birds out with 1 stone. Getting an elite playmaker at a position they’re pretty much always a mismatch for defenses at. As well as a capable blocker. We all know the OL needs to addressed. But maybe go and do that in FA to where we can truly go BPA at 10. We know we really liked Mayer last year at TE and nearly drafted him. So we clearly think TE is valuable with us spending money on Conklin and Uzo 2 years ago and drafting Ruckert mid round a couple years ago. Bowers at 10 100% the way to go. However, Bowers unlikely to be there at 10. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Am I wrong in saying it seems typically tight ends aren't elite without a QB who is about elite as well? I just remember Jimmy Graham being unstoppeable with Breeze and then falling off face of the map when he went to next team. Think it was Seagulls? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Barry McCockinner Posted January 29 Popular Post Share Posted January 29 Kelce: R3 Kittle: R5 Andrews: R3 LaPorta: R2 10 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Not a chance I’m touching a TE at 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 We would have to have an almost perfect free agency relating to the OL + the top 2 LTs off the board for this to even be a consideration. Now if that happens, then Brock away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Jets still have a bottom 3 OL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 42 minutes ago, GangGreened said: Not a chance I’m touching a TE at 10 Don't worry. Somebody else will probably take him before he gets that far. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 31 minutes ago, DJF71 said: Jets still have a bottom 3 OL. I think they might add some players before the season starts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 The issue with TES is you have to have a creative mind use them properly and you have to trust them. I'd be happy if we drafted Bowers but he would disappoint under hackett imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 51 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Kelce: R3 Kittle: R5 Andrews: R3 LaPorta: R2 This is true but would you really care in hindsight if the Jets took: Travis Kelce at #9 overall instead of Dee Milliner? George Kittle at #6 instead of Jamal Adams? LaPorta at #15 instead of Will McDonald? Ok fine, I'll give you Darnold over Mark Andrews. Speaking of which, who are the 7th round QB's this year you like, similar to Brock Purdy? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, AFJF said: Don't worry. Somebody else will probably take him before he gets that far. Let’s hope so 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJCAP2 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Bobby816 said: Was noticing yesterday that all 4 teams left in the playoffs had elite TEs. KC: Kelce SF: Kittle BAL: Andrews DET: LaPorta Bowers at 10 is starting to be my favorite pick. He in essence would knock 2 birds out with 1 stone. Getting an elite playmaker at a position they’re pretty much always a mismatch for defenses at. As well as a capable blocker. We all know the OL needs to addressed. But maybe go and do that in FA to where we can truly go BPA at 10. We know we really liked Mayer last year at TE and nearly drafted him. So we clearly think TE is valuable with us spending money on Conklin and Uzo 2 years ago and drafting Ruckert mid round a couple years ago. Did you not see the Chiefs and Lions dominate the trenches all playoffs? The Lions choked it away, but the point still stands. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 LOL You know what the Chiefs and Lions also have? Quarterbacks better than dogsh-t Zach Wilson 😂 And good to great pass protecting offensive lines 😂so the QB actually has time to wait for the lumbering TEs to get open. The problem with this idea is not that you don’t need a viable pass catching TE. The problem is investing a 10th overall pick and the opportunity cost associated with that: Kelce 3rd round Kittle 5th round LaPorta 2nd round Kincaid late 1st round Gronk 2nd round Aaron Hernandez 4th round Antonio Gates UDFA Recent TEs to go top-10: — Ebron (LOL) — Vernon Davis — Kyle Pitts — Hockenson (dealt for a pick swap, then Lions upgrade over him with LaPorta) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 22 minutes ago, JustInFudge said: This is true but would you really care in hindsight if the Jets took: Travis Kelce at #9 overall instead of Dee Milliner? George Kittle at #6 instead of Jamal Adams? LaPorta at #15 instead of Will McDonald? Ok fine, I'll give you Darnold over Mark Andrews. Speaking of which, who are the 7th round QB's this year you like, similar to Brock Purdy? I think the Jets are more likely to select a Dee Milliner, Jamal Adams, Kyle Brady or Anthony Becht than Travis Kelce. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 35 minutes ago, AFJF said: Don't worry. Somebody else will probably take him before he gets that far. Man I hope so. If the tackles are all gone, I’d trade back. There is plenty of WR and OT talent in this draft. To justify taking BB that high as a TE, he’d have to basically be a HOF type talent and start producing that way right away. Also, TE is notorious for being maybe the hardest transition from college to the pros. You’ve got AR8 in maybe his final season. The Jets don’t need Bowers. They need a scouting department and GM capable of identifying the difference-making talent that’s available every year in the later rounds like Mark Andrews (3rd round) and Kittle (5th round). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Man I hope so. If the tackles are all gone, I’d trade back. There is plenty of WR and OT talent in this draft. To justify taking BB that high as a TE, he’d have to basically be a HOF type talent and start producing that way right away. Also, TE is notorious for being maybe the hardest transition from college to the pros. You’ve got AR8 in maybe his final season. The Jets don’t need Bowers. They need a scouting department and GM capable of identifying the difference-making talent that’s available every year in the later rounds like Mark Andrews (3rd round) and Kittle (5th round). Except he can line up and win as a TE or a WR while giving you elite blocking to improve the OL. That's why he's unlikely to be there at 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said: Kelce: R3 Kittle: R5 Andrews: R3 LaPorta: R2 Yes, but why let facts get in the way of an impassioned argument / plea. The hype seems more ridiculous than it ever was for Pitts, who was a superior prospect. All that’s left is for Bowers to tell Woody that if he doesn’t take him at #10, it will be “the biggest mistake of his life”. Jet fans have already decided Bowers is the greatest TE in NFL history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 If we're talking Bowers vs Oregon State RT, im taking Bowers 10 times out of 10. We're overvaluing OL because we had Zach Wilson playing QB, when Siemien took over they started playing better. Get a couple veterans in FA (Mike Onwenu!!!) and we should be good with 2 core pices like Tippman and AVT. Don't reach for need get the blue chip prospect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guilhermezmc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Get the playmaker, the elite QB will make up for the tackle play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I want to believe in this. I really do. But Kyle Pitts was a sure thing three years ago. What happened? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 If they land 5 starting olinemen in free agency, sure take him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 10 minutes ago, nycdan said: I want to believe in this. I really do. But Kyle Pitts was a sure thing three years ago. What happened? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 50 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: Man I hope so. If the tackles are all gone, I’d trade back. There is plenty of WR and OT talent in this draft. To justify taking BB that high as a TE, he’d have to basically be a HOF type talent and start producing that way right away. Also, TE is notorious for being maybe the hardest transition from college to the pros. You’ve got AR8 in maybe his final season. The Jets don’t need Bowers. They need a scouting department and GM capable of identifying the difference-making talent that’s available every year in the later rounds like Mark Andrews (3rd round) and Kittle (5th round). The scouting department and GM capable of identifying the difference making talent that's available every year in the later rounds, like Mark Andrews thought that Hayden Hurst was worth #25 overall in the same draft. The scouting department and GM capable of identifying the difference making talent that's available every year in the later rounds, like George Kittle thought that Solomon Thomas was worth #3 overall and used #31 on Ruben Foster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
football guy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Here's the point that hasn't come up: Rodgers doesn't like throwing over the middle of the field, where TEs often do most of their work. The last time he played in an offense that heavily "featured" a TE was 2011-2013 with Jermichael Finley. After him, most of the TEs were an ancillary piece as a 4th or 5th option in the passing game. I love Brock Bowers and think he'd be a great long-term piece, but the Jets only chance at reaching the promised land over the next 2-3 years falls directly on Rodgers' shoulders. That means we need to protect him (which should be the case with all QBs) and fill the offense with YAC/vertical weapons that Rodgers seems to prefer. Investing the 10th pick in a guy who may be the 4th option in the passing game just doesn't feel wise to me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 No love for Ruckert and Conklin? We've drafted TE in the first round remember Kyle Brady ? If he falls to us as the BPA, then I guess.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 23 minutes ago, nycdan said: I want to believe in this. I really do. But Kyle Pitts was a sure thing three years ago. What happened? He put up 1,000 yards as a rookie TE which is essentially unheard of and then, for whatever reason, stopped trying. Let's see what he does with a new head coach if they can get him interested in playing football again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, LSJF said: No love for Ruckert and Conklin? We've drafted TE in the first round remember Kyle Brady ? If he falls to us as the BPA, then I guess.. I like Carter Warren. That doesn't mean I think the Jets should pass on Joe Alt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, football guy said: Here's the point that hasn't come up: Rodgers doesn't like throwing over the middle of the field, where TEs often do most of their work. The last time he played in an offense that heavily "featured" a TE was 2011-2013 with Jermichael Finley. After him, most of the TEs were an ancillary piece as a 4th or 5th option in the passing game. I love Brock Bowers and think he'd be a great long-term piece, but the Jets only chance at reaching the promised land over the next 2-3 years falls directly on Rodgers' shoulders. That means we need to protect him (which should be the case with all QBs) and fill the offense with YAC/vertical weapons that Rodgers seems to prefer. Investing the 10th pick in a guy who may be the 4th option in the passing game just doesn't feel wise to me. Not a problem, he can win from the slot and boundary as well. Wasn't exclusively a "middle of the field guy" in college and shouldn't be in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Has Rodgers ever favored throwing to the TE position? There are a couple decent TE seasons mixed in Rodgers career, but I just can’t recall anything spectacular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extmenace Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, football guy said: Here's the point that hasn't come up: Rodgers doesn't like throwing over the middle of the field, where TEs often do most of their work. The last time he played in an offense that heavily "featured" a TE was 2011-2013 with Jermichael Finley. After him, most of the TEs were an ancillary piece as a 4th or 5th option in the passing game. I love Brock Bowers and think he'd be a great long-term piece, but the Jets only chance at reaching the promised land over the next 2-3 years falls directly on Rodgers' shoulders. That means we need to protect him (which should be the case with all QBs) and fill the offense with YAC/vertical weapons that Rodgers seems to prefer. Investing the 10th pick in a guy who may be the 4th option in the passing game just doesn't feel wise to me. lol, I was just thinking this. Yea, you need a good qb to make a TE but you also need a good QB who likes throwing to the TE to make a good tight end work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 16 minutes ago, extmenace said: Has Rodgers ever favored throwing to the TE position? There are a couple decent TE seasons mixed in Rodgers career, but I just can’t recall anything spectacular. He loves throwing shorter passes to guys who can gain yards after the catch. Bowers is one of the best YAC guys in this class and can line up in the slot or outside if Rodgers prefers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeet Ulrich Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 51 minutes ago, nycdan said: I want to believe in this. I really do. But Kyle Pitts was a sure thing three years ago. What happened? They got rid of the problem in Atlanta a couple weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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