Jet Nut Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: Jeremiah, yesterday, asked specifically where’s the earliest he’d personally draft Bowers: “15th to the Colts.” That’s because he’s been saying he’d like to see him go to the Colts, that he’d fit in and it would be fun. Little different slant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetkwondo Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Larz said: Catcher/outfielder Point guard/small forward Notre Dame offered a scholarship as a linebacker Kick returner Triple option QB RB TE Y/ slot WR 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KINGDIRK Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, jetsons said: Keller Played @ 240+ ... Bowers Played more like low 230's ... he gained the weight for the combine. Have Bowers drop 15 pounds - let him play slot WR, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Jeff Legwold has him at 3 3. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia, 6-3⅛, 243 (DNR) Bowers was the first back-to-back Mackey Award winner and fits every part of an NFL passing game. He has elite hands, body control and separation in his routes. Bowers scored 26 TDs and averaged 14.5 yards per catch over his three collegiate seasons at Georgia. He lined up all over the formation in the Bulldogs' high-powered attack and also averaged 10.2 yards per carry on 19 career rushing attempts. average prospect rank for “Mr. 10 yards” Pauline 3 Brugler 6 Brooks 7 Jeremiah 7 BR 2 Legwold 3 Avg rank is 4.6. Top 5 player basically. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Just now, Larz said: Jeff Legwold has him at 3 3. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia, 6-3⅛, 243 (DNR) Bowers was the first back-to-back Mackey Award winner and fits every part of an NFL passing game. He has elite hands, body control and separation in his routes. Bowers scored 26 TDs and averaged 14.5 yards per catch over his three collegiate seasons at Georgia. He lined up all over the formation in the Bulldogs' high-powered attack and also averaged 10.2 yards per carry on 19 career rushing attempts. average prospect rank for “Mr. 10 yards” Pauline 3 Brugler 6 Brooks 7 Jeremiah 7 BR 2 Legwold 3 Avg rank is 4.6. Top 5 player basically. And he got screwed over as a freshman to not win the Mackey award. I’m guessing they just didn’t give it to him bc he was a freshman. McBride won that year with 1100yds and 1 TD Bowers at 850yds and 13 TDs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I do find it funny that the guys who don’t want Bowers pretty much criticize the position more so than anything. That’s kind of what I’m gathering. Yet did we not draft Q 3rd overall when DTs don’t make too much of an impact bc he was BPA? I wasn’t on this board then to know peoples thoughts on that pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Bobby816 said: I do find it funny that the guys who don’t want Bowers pretty much criticize the position more so than anything. That’s kind of what I’m gathering. Yet did we not draft Q 3rd overall when DTs don’t make too much of an impact bc he was BPA? I wasn’t on this board then to know peoples thoughts on that pick. I can't speak for anyone else, but ehhh, it looks like, if we're going by MPH (bottom right, above), which I've been told is what all the kids are raving about these days, Bowers is only slightly faster than Quinnen Williams and 60 lbs lighter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 22 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I can't speak for anyone else, but ehhh, it looks like, if we're going by MPH (bottom right, above), which I've been told is what all the kids are raving about these days, Bowers is only slightly faster than Quinnen Williams and 60 lbs lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 16 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I can't speak for anyone else, but ehhh, it looks like, if we're going by MPH (bottom right, above), which I've been told is what all the kids are raving about these days, Bowers is only slightly faster than Quinnen Williams and 60 lbs lighter. And Garrett is roughly 1.5 mph slower in his 40 and he ran a 4.38 if you are basing on that bogus image. also it was 16.94 mph according to https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Quinnen&l=Williams&i=27927 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, Claymation said: And Garrett is roughly 1.5 mph slower in his 40 and he ran a 4.38 if you are basing on that bogus image. also it was 16.94 mph according to https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Quinnen&l=Williams&i=27927 LMAO dudes are photoshopping now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 15 minutes ago, Claymation said: And Garrett is roughly 1.5 mph slower in his 40 and he ran a 4.38 if you are basing on that bogus image. also it was 16.94 mph according to https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Quinnen&l=Williams&i=27927 Yes, I have doctored the image! https://ras.football/2020/01/15/quinnen-williams-ras/ Either way, it would've been nice to compare it to Brock's. But this was all I found: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I didn’t say you doctored it, but you took it as fact. A person who runs 4.83 40 isn’t hitting 20 mph. Common sense could tell you that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 hours ago, Jet Nut said: That’s because he’s been saying he’d like to see him go to the Colts, that he’d fit in and it would be fun. Little different slant He was asked specifically the earliest he could see Bowers going. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I know he won’t be in play at 5 but there’s something about Brock Bowers that screams Jim Harbaugh-guy. Maybe if they trade down I can see LAC taking Bowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Bobby816 said: Yet did we not draft Q 3rd overall when DTs don’t make too much of an impact bc he was BPA? Aaron Donald won defensive player of the year in consecutive seasons prior to Quinnen being drafted. Who are these people that were saying DTs don’t make an impact? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 24 minutes ago, Claymation said: I didn’t say you doctored it, but you took it as fact. A person who runs 4.83 40 isn’t hitting 20 mph. Common sense could tell you that. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I see the draft going… 1. Williams 2. Daniels 3. Maye 4. McCarthy (trade up) 5. Harrison Jr 6. Nabers 7. Alt 8. Turner 9. Odunze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 8 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f 11 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/daniel-jones/32004a4f-4e16-5462-39a4-3b4fa743c66f He ran 17 MPH at the combine https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Daniel&l=Jones&i=27288 you are embarrassing yourself now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Larz said: Jeff Legwold has him at 3 3. Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia, 6-3⅛, 243 (DNR) Bowers was the first back-to-back Mackey Award winner and fits every part of an NFL passing game. He has elite hands, body control and separation in his routes. Bowers scored 26 TDs and averaged 14.5 yards per catch over his three collegiate seasons at Georgia. He lined up all over the formation in the Bulldogs' high-powered attack and also averaged 10.2 yards per carry on 19 career rushing attempts. average prospect rank for “Mr. 10 yards” Pauline 3 Brugler 6 Brooks 7 Jeremiah 7 BR 2 Legwold 3 Avg rank is 4.6. Top 5 player basically. Vegas o/u on Bowers’ draft position: 12.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Vegas o/u on Bowers’ draft position: 12.5 Really? If so then how does that reconcile with him being the heavy fav for the jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: Really? If so then how does that reconcile with him being the heavy fav for the jets The under? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Really? If so then how does that reconcile with him being the heavy fav for the jets Pre-draft narratives and mock draft bros not wanting to get burned by dropping a consensus top ten ranked prospect out of the top ten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 9 minutes ago, Claymation said: He ran 17 MPH at the combine https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Daniel&l=Jones&i=27288 you are embarrassing yourself now Here‘s a good article by the RAS guy explaining why MPH doesn’t directly correlate to 40 time, and why dudes who run a 4.6 can still crack 20 MPH. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/2/24/14720660/nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-fastest-times-history-miles-per-hour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Claymation said: He ran 17 MPH at the combine https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Daniel&l=Jones&i=27288 you are embarrassing yourself now I don't follow, are you saying that Daniel Jones' combine 40 time is wrong or that he did not hit 21 mph against the Eagles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: Really? If so then how does that reconcile with him being the heavy fav for the jets The way props work he’s less than 50% to go to the Jets. Presumably if you math it all out they think the Jets are one of the very few landing spots for him ahead of pick 13. That and the way they set the O/U for him the over pays more than the under so they’re leaning under at least a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 13 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Here‘s a good article by the RAS guy explaining why MPH doesn’t directly correlate to 40 time, and why dudes who run a 4.6 can still crack 20 MPH. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/2/24/14720660/nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-fastest-times-history-miles-per-hour So assuming that is correct, Daniel Jones is faster than Lamar Jackson and Garrett Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 1 hour ago, Claymation said: I didn’t say you doctored it, but you took it as fact. A person who runs 4.83 40 isn’t hitting 20 mph. Common sense could tell you that. This is far from common sense. Long-striders, and/or athletes who don’t specifically train to run in spandex out of a sprinters stance may take longer than 40 yards to hit top speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 4 minutes ago, Claymation said: So assuming that is correct, Daniel Jones is faster than Lamar Jackson and Garrett Wilson? Define faster. Hitting a higher top speed doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll beat someone in a race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 27 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Here‘s a good article by the RAS guy explaining why MPH doesn’t directly correlate to 40 time, and why dudes who run a 4.6 can still crack 20 MPH. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2017/2/24/14720660/nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-fastest-times-history-miles-per-hour Keon Coleman ran like 4.6 in the 40 but then they show the drills and his running them faster than anyone else, in a straight line and catching everything with his hands. Then we have 40meisters like mecole hardman who has the worst football sense of a wr i have seen and kadarius toney who drops everything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Based on this formula Mph=3600/(seconds x 44) (There are 3600 seconds in an hour, and 44 intervals of 40 yards in a mile) Daniel Jones reached 21.23 mph, that means he could run a 40 yard dash in 3.85 seconds. or 1 second faster than his combine time. I can’t be the only person on this forum who after watching years of Daniel Jones, realize that him running a 3.85 40 is quite laughable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 16 minutes ago, Claymation said: So assuming that is correct, Daniel Jones is faster than Lamar Jackson and Garrett Wilson? I think he’s saying that fast guys are fast, but everyone reaches peak speed after the first twenty yards. The second twenty is known as the flying twenty. Lamar, Chris Johnson, and Garrett are fast through every stage of the 40. Most guys are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 19 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Keon Coleman ran like 4.6 in the 40 but then they show the drills and his running them faster than anyone else, in a straight line and catching everything with his hands. Then we have 40meisters like mecole hardman who has the worst football sense of a wr i have seen and kadarius toney who drops everything. I believe @jvill 51 cited something earlier like this with the Rams and Puka in this thread. Nacua had a slow 40 but also finished that same drill faster than anyone else @ the combine in his year, just like Keon. Looks promising for Keon. Either way, we have none of this information for Brock, which, at least for me, is the larger point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymation Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 19 minutes ago, Greenseed4 said: Define faster. Hitting a higher top speed doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll beat someone in a race. so you think Daniel Jones is faster than Lamar as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 5 minutes ago, Claymation said: Based on this formula Mph=3600/(seconds x 44) (There are 3600 seconds in an hour, and 44 intervals of 40 yards in a mile) Daniel Jones reached 21.23 mph, that means he could run a 40 yard dash in 3.85 seconds. or 1 second faster than his combine time. I can’t be the only person on this forum who after watching years of Daniel Jones, realize that him running a 3.85 40 is quite laughable. Yeah, but you know that at the combine they start at 0 mph, right? And then they record the time from 0 yards to 40 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 34 minutes ago, Claymation said: so you think Daniel Jones is faster than Lamar as well? I don’t want to get too involved in this but how did Lamar Jackson get roped into this discussion of inabilities to interpret flying 20 times? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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