Did Reddick's camp just provide a road map for his return?

[FidelioJet]

9 minutes ago, Supersonic said:

Why doesn't Reddick just follow through with the original negotiation?  It's not about screwing the Jets either.

They owe him nothing more than what he bargained for.  Reddick:  You play, you perform, you get rewarded with an extension.  That's the deal.  

No, the Jets don't owe him anything, but he makes the team better.  And I'm tired of losing.

[FidelioJet]

12 minutes ago, bicketybam said:

Rodgers for injured. Wilson was just plain horrendous as well as oft injured (the dehydration!) If anything it was Zach who wasted last year. 

Your Zach pom poms were still bouncing around into year 3. You fool no one!

Of course I rooted for him last year.  I wanted to see the team win.

You weren't pulling for him?  That would be strange for a fan.  But I guess some people would rather be right than see the team win.  I mean good for you, to each his own.

[JKlecko]

2 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

The suggestion isn't out of line if the two sides had anywhere close to the same goals. Reddick wants a long term contract worth a lot of money. The Jets are in no way looking for that outcome--otherwise they could have kept Huff for less money. 

Reddick is hurting his future options but Douglas made a huge mistake with the trade. The defense is not designed to hand out big contracts at that position. It's exactly why Huff left. Bringing in another player with exactly the same mindset didn't make any sense. This is so Jetsy.

 

I wouldn't say that the defense is not designed to hand out big contracts at the Edge position. There's no more important position on the D side of the ball. I guarantee you that Bosa isn't playing on a cheap contract.  If JJ were to develop into a Bosa-level player, I think they'd keep him and pay him.

I agree that Reddick is hurting his future option.  I'm uncertain as to whether Douglas made a huge mistake with the trade.  If things went down the way Douglas said they did, then the trade itself wasn't a mistake, but perhaps not getting a signed agreement was.  He took Reddick at his word, and Reddick either lied or changed his mind, which amounts to the same thing.  The Jets hold all the leverage, and while it hurts them, it hurts Reddick the most.

You are mistaken about Huff.  Huff didn't leave because he wasn't getting offered big money.  He left because he wanted the opportunity to be a 3-down defensive player and not just a pass rush specialist.  Yes, ultimately, he'd get more money for playing 3 downs if he was effective against the run as well, but the Jets made it clear that they saw him as only a part-time pass rush specialist.  That's why he left.

[hawk]

21 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I think he's nuts asking for that kind of money at 30.  At that age, some players lose their speed seemingly overnight and their level of play can drop precipitously, but especially players whose main asset is speed. If I were the Eagles' GM, I would have told him to go kick rocks too.

I can't argue with this.  What is the closest comp to a 30 year old signing a new contract at outside linebacker?

[Alka]

14 hours ago, Supersonic said:

Why doesn't Reddick just follow through with the original negotiation?  It's not about screwing the Jets either.

They owe him nothing more than what he bargained for.  Reddick:  You play, you perform, you get rewarded with an extension.  That's the deal.  

Why did the Eagles agree to trade Reddick?  Because of his contract demands.  Why did the Jets trade for Reddick?  Because they thought that they were getting a premiun pass rusher for a 1 year deal.

Reddick has already performed well enough to get a raise.  I believe that is a fact.  There has to be a middle ground.  It's JD's job to find it.  If not, then JD really messed up with this trade.

[Alka]

17 hours ago, Doggin94it said:

We don't have the cap room. With Reddick's current salary we're 5.5M under the cap, which you need for in-season contingencies. Even a 3M raise would put us up against it. 5M? No chance

Based upon your facts, then the Jets should try to trade him.  They have already said they will not trade him.  So, he can either come in and be a malcontent, and underperform, or he can just sit at home, and the Jets just blew a 3rd round future draft pick.

[Larz]

JD drew a line in the sand. No talks until you report. 
 

He basically has to hold his water now.
 

Then he has to give Reddick some kind of better deal so he can demonstrate that he was negotiating in good faith.  
 

This will be similar to the Chris Jones hold out in timing but Reddick won’t get anywhere close to his numbers in guaranteed money, probably a lot of incentives 

[Bobby816]

Just now, Larz said:

JD drew a line in the sand. No talks until you report. 
 

He basically has to hold his water now.
 

Then he has to give Reddick some kind of better deal so he can demonstrate that he was negotiating in good faith.  
 

This will be similar to the Chris Jones hold out in timing but Reddick won’t get anywhere close to his numbers in guaranteed money, probably a lot of incentives 

I think JD's plan is report and we can get something signed. But that he isn't giving Reddick a raise. Juts likely guaranteeing him most if not all of his salary this year. As @Sperm Edwardssaid. It really has us not doing anything different. Bc we likely weren't going to cut him if he got injured anyway. Bc that would make us look really bad to not guarantee a proven vet money. And then cut him once he got hurt. No FA will want to sign with us if we did that. 

[bicketybam]

2 hours ago, Alka said:

Based upon your facts, then the Jets should try to trade him.  They have already said they will not trade him.  So, he can either come in and be a malcontent, and underperform, or he can just sit at home, and the Jets just blew a 3rd round future draft pick.

Underperforming would be terrible for Reddick. It hurts his chance of his next big contract. If he does show up, he needs to show he can still play at his previous level. He may be unhappy, but he should be motivated enough to play to the best of his ability. Plus if he does half-ass it, guys like Mosely, Smith and Rodgers would be all over his ass.

[Scott Dierking]

15 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

But I guess some people would rather be right than see the team win.  

You just summed up this board in one small sentence. Shut the board down.

[Claymation]

15 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

Of course I rooted for him last year.  I wanted to see the team win.

You weren't pulling for him?  That would be strange for a fan.  But I guess some people would rather be right than see the team win.  I mean good for you, to each his own.

I see that quite often on this site.

[Sperm Edwards]

1 hour ago, Bobby816 said:

I think JD's plan is report and we can get something signed. But that he isn't giving Reddick a raise. Juts likely guaranteeing him most if not all of his salary this year. As @Sperm Edwardssaid. It really has us not doing anything different. Bc we likely weren't going to cut him if he got injured anyway. Bc that would make us look really bad to not guarantee a proven vet money. And then cut him once he got hurt. No FA will want to sign with us if we did that. 

My guess is it would be

1. guaranteeing the season
   • and yes it's a red herring; there's no way they're cutting a probowl edge rusher in his prime, on an under-market contract, after trading a future day-2 pick for him, and cutting him in the days/weeks before week 1, whether for injury or for skill. Just because they retain the ability to do so doesn't mean there's any serious chance they will). 
2. incentive bumps that could make it worth up to ~$20MM if he has a typical Reddick season
   • I said a week or two ago this is an ok in-between the $15MM his contract year called for and the $25MM he's seeking; not fully what he wants, but he's not negotiating from a position of strength.
   • The problem is a $5MM incentives bump will be paid by the Jets, but even if it happened today he'd only receive about $3MM of it and the other ~$2MM would be going to charity because of the mandatory fines he's already accrued, if you include the sat-out first preseason game. Fine by me that the money goes to charity, of course, but it blows that the $2MM fine would still count against the Jets' salary cap, all because Reddick was a dumbass who staged a holdout instead of a hold-in, even though they're materially the same thing plus.

If this was actually all about nothing more than fully guaranteeing the season, he could've just shown up, worked out in the gym with the team, eat their food, and refuse to practice or play in any scrimmages or preseason games.

Of course now if he does that until making the week 1 roster, he doesn't get $15MM anymore. Well, he gets it, but some $4.5MM of it will only as a pass-through to a charity so he'll only make ~$10MM for 17 games this year, and he's not going to want a fully guaranteed $10.5MM any more than an on-paper non-guaranteed $15MM.

His holdout strategy really put an extra strain on any negotiations. They said they're not redoing anything unless he's showing up just like other players who want their contracts extended, raised, etc. but who are not only showing up and practicing without getting that done, but have been good and loyal teammates on the Jets already (specifically, Reed & Carter).

I've got no problem with him trying to get a better payday, but the way he's going about it he's acting like a child with a total lack of foresight, because no matter how this ends, with the fines he'll have accumulated, no matter what new number they come up with he'll end up taking home less than he would have if he'd just done a hold-in and got the same concessions from the Jets, and if he never shows up (which is his toothless threat, in effect) he'll still be under contract with the Jets next year, too.

[Gaffneycatch81]

17 hours ago, JKlecko said:

 

I wouldn't say that the defense is not designed to hand out big contracts at the Edge position. There's no more important position on the D side of the ball. I guarantee you that Bosa isn't playing on a cheap contract.  If JJ were to develop into a Bosa-level player, I think they'd keep him and pay him.

I agree that Reddick is hurting his future option.  I'm uncertain as to whether Douglas made a huge mistake with the trade.  If things went down the way Douglas said they did, then the trade itself wasn't a mistake, but perhaps not getting a signed agreement was.  He took Reddick at his word, and Reddick either lied or changed his mind, which amounts to the same thing.  The Jets hold all the leverage, and while it hurts them, it hurts Reddick the most.

You are mistaken about Huff.  Huff didn't leave because he wasn't getting offered big money.  He left because he wanted the opportunity to be a 3-down defensive player and not just a pass rush specialist.  Yes, ultimately, he'd get more money for playing 3 downs if he was effective against the run as well, but the Jets made it clear that they saw him as only a part-time pass rush specialist.  That's why he left.

I’m not sure i understand why people keep saying (not just you — journalists and talking heads too) that Douglas made a mistake by not getting a signed contract. Reddick HAS a signed contract — the one he signed with the Eagles that pays him 15M this year. Was Douglas supposed to get him to sign it again? 

Fact his, while people keep killing the Jets about this, IF (and as you and I have discussed before, this IS a big IF) the reports of Reddick promising to report and play under his current contract are true, that’s all Douglas should have needed, and all he really could ask for. You don’t get a guy to resign his current contract — and even if he did, he could still hold out (as he is doing under his current, SIGNED, contract). 

I also have learned in the past few days that trading for a guy and not redoing his current contract isn’t as unusual as the media make it sound. Seattle did it with Jamal Adams a few years ago. He wanted a new contract from the Jets, asked for a trade, the Seahawks traded for him and made him play a year under his existing deal before they gave him an extension. Exact same scenario with the Jets and Reddick. And the Steelers right now have a deal in place for Ayuik without having finalized a new deal. In that case, the outline of a new deal may be in place. But still … what the Jets did is not unprecedented.

I still have some questions about what exactly was said by Reddick’s camp to the Jets before the deal was made. It may be that the Jets suggested they’d work on an extension before camp, or during camp, and then showed little inclination to do that. If that’s the case, it’s understandable why Reddick is pissed off. Something clearly went wrong, and it’s not entirely clear that this is all just about Reddick changing his mind and going back on his word. However, there is increasing evidence that it MIGHT be just that. And if that’s the case, I don’t think Douglas can be blamed for not getting some sort of signed guarantee — you just CAN’T fully guarantee a player isn’t going to hold out, no matter what is signed.

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, Gaffneycatch81 said:

I’m not sure i understand why people keep saying (not just you — journalists and talking heads too) that Douglas made a mistake by not getting a signed contract. Reddick HAS a signed contract — the one he signed with the Eagles that pays him 15M this year. Was Douglas supposed to get him to sign it again? 

Fact his, while people keep killing the Jets about this, IF (and as you and I have discussed before, this IS a big IF) the reports of Reddick promising to report and play under his current contract are true, that’s all Douglas should have needed, and all he really could ask for. You don’t get a guy to resign his current contract — and even if he did, he could still hold out (as he is doing under his current, SIGNED, contract). 

I also have learned in the past few days that trading for a guy and not redoing his current contract isn’t as unusual as the media make it sound. Seattle did it with Jamal Adams a few years ago. He wanted a new contract from the Jets, asked for a trade, the Seahawks traded for him and made him play a year under his existing deal before they gave him an extension. Exact same scenario with the Jets and Reddick. And the Steelers right now have a deal in place for Ayuik without having finalized a new deal. In that case, the outline of a new deal may be in place. But still … what the Jets did is not unprecedented.

I still have some questions about what exactly was said by Reddick’s camp to the Jets before the deal was made. It may be that the Jets suggested they’d work on an extension before camp, or during camp, and then showed little inclination to do that. If that’s the case, it’s understandable why Reddick is pissed off. Something clearly went wrong, and it’s not entirely clear that this is all just about Reddick changing his mind and going back on his word. However, there is increasing evidence that it MIGHT be just that. And if that’s the case, I don’t think Douglas can be blamed for not getting some sort of signed guarantee — you just CAN’T fully guarantee a player isn’t going to hold out, no matter what is signed.

Excellent post, and I totally agree with everything you said.  When I said that I thought Douglas made a mistake for not getting a signed contract, I was confused.  I thought I remembered that Douglas had said that they would upgrade his present contract, and what they would discuss during the summer was an extension, but I was wrong.  My memory was faulty.

[Supersonic]

5 hours ago, Alka said:

Why did the Eagles agree to trade Reddick?  Because of his contract demands.  Why did the Jets trade for Reddick?  Because they thought that they were getting a premiun pass rusher for a 1 year deal.

Reddick has already performed well enough to get a raise.  I believe that is a fact.  There has to be a middle ground.  It's JD's job to find it.  If not, then JD really messed up with this trade.

How so?  Reddick could've continued to negotiate his contract with the Jets at the onset, after their low-ball offer.  But instead, he agreed to play under his existing contract.  Too bad he doesn't have 10% of his skill on the field between his ears.  

The Jets owe him nothing.  They should press the reset button and look for the next best option when the time comes.

[JKlecko]

5 hours ago, Alka said:

Why did the Eagles agree to trade Reddick?  Because of his contract demands.  Why did the Jets trade for Reddick?  Because they thought that they were getting a premiun pass rusher for a 1 year deal.

Reddick has already performed well enough to get a raise.  I believe that is a fact.  There has to be a middle ground.  It's JD's job to find it.  If not, then JD really messed up with this trade.

I'm not sure I'd qualify Reddick as a "premium" pass rusher.  He was perhaps, but he's now 30 and an unknown.  Some players can play well into their 30s at a high level, while with others it seems like they become very brittle and their speed and ability vanish overnight.

JD and the Jets have no idea what kind of player Reddick will be this season.  He was very reasonable to say come and once we see that you're in shape, haven't lost a step, and can still play at a high level, we'll discuss an extension.  Supposedly, Reddick agreed to that.  If so, it's all on Reddick, and the Jets don't owe him anything.  He owes the Jets.  The Eagles didn't want him any longer and no other team wanted him.  The Jets were the only team that showed any interest. If he wants to make money playing football this season, he needs to honor the contract that he signed and play for the Jets.  His only hope for getting a new contract and getting anywhere near the kind of money he wants, is to show up to the Jets now, get in football shape so that he doesn't have to miss any games during the regular season, play well and help the Jets get to the playoffs.  He's the one who signed the contract that states that there would be no guaranteed money this year.  He probably signed it knowing that he would hold out to get guaranteed money, so he was duplicitous from the start.  If not, he never should have signed that contract.

Teams would be foolish to give a player a lot of guaranteed money in the last year of his contract, especially when he's going to be on the wrong side of 30.

Perhaps Reddick did perform well enough to deserve a raise, but when a team signs a player to a contract, it isn't just for past performance, it's for what the player can give them in the future.  If Reddick had remained an Eagle he could perhaps expect some reward for past performance, but not with going to a new team.  The Jets have absolutely no reason at this point to compromise and give him more money.  If they did and he then showed up out of shape, or got injured and missed the season, or didn't play well, JD would get killed and look stupid.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point.

[Gaffneycatch81]

31 minutes ago, JKlecko said:

Excellent post, and I totally agree with everything you said.  When I said that I thought Douglas made a mistake for not getting a signed contract, I was confused.  I thought I remembered that Douglas had said that they would upgrade his present contract, and what they would discuss during the summer was an extension, but I was wrong.  My memory was faulty.

As has been pointed out by other posters above, the choice by Reddick to hold out rather than hold in is really a big problem. When I first heard he was doing that I thought it was a stupid move on his part but would work to the Jets benefit — but now it’s clear to me that it’s just hurting both sides. That is not just money going down the drain for him, but since the Jets are almost certainly going to have to find a way to allow him to recoup at least some of the fines by paying him more, it also very likely salary cap money going down the drain.

[#27TheDominator]

5 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

I think JD's plan is report and we can get something signed. But that he isn't giving Reddick a raise. Juts likely guaranteeing him most if not all of his salary this year. As @Sperm Edwardssaid. It really has us not doing anything different. Bc we likely weren't going to cut him if he got injured anyway. Bc that would make us look really bad to not guarantee a proven vet money. And then cut him once he got hurt. No FA will want to sign with us if we did that. 

By rule, I don't think you can cut an NFL player that is injured.  I think that is one of the joys of the hold-in.  They claim some minor injury and they fight the team about it. 

[JKlecko]

3 minutes ago, Gaffneycatch81 said:

As has been pointed out by other posters above, the choice by Reddick to hold out rather than hold in is really a big problem. When I first heard he was doing that I thought it was a stupid move on his part but would work to the Jets benefit — but now it’s clear to me that it’s just hurting both sides. That is not just money going down the drain for him, but since the Jets are almost certainly going to have to find a way to allow him to recoup at least some of the fines by paying him more, it also very likely salary cap money going down the drain.

Not necessarily.  The Jets could decide to just go with whom they have or they could say to Reddick, "Take it or leave it."  Why should they up his contract to cover his fines, when he's the one that brought them on himself, went back on his word with the Jets, and was probably duplicitous when he signed the contract initially with the Eagles.  He probably thought he could get them to change their minds or force them to, and he learned differently.  If he didn't like no guaranteed money in the last year of his contract, he never should have signed it.

Teams don't often give guaranteed money to older players in the last year of their contracts, and for good reason.  Reddick basically has a choice...play for the Jets this season and ball out, so he can get a new contract that will be hopefullly (for his sake) close to what he wants, or he can retire.  No other team has any interest in him.  I read last night that the Lions said that there's no way they'd have anything to do with him.  I'm certain other teams feel the same way.  Why have that headache?  If he was 25, he could probably expect a $25 million contract with a lot of guaranteed money, but at 30, when no other teams have showed any real interest in him because of the contract he wants?  He's just being delusional.

He could have reported and done the "hold in" and not incurred any fines or missed game checks.  He brought this on himself.  I have no compassion for him, and unless he reports and plays hard, I hope he never plays in the NFL again.

[Sperm Edwards]

5 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

By rule, I don't think you can cut an NFL player that is injured.  I think that is one of the joys of the hold-in.  They claim some minor injury and they fight the team about it. 

Yeah I couldn't remember if it was that or they typically come to an injury settlement (if a player was guaranteed the full amount, there'd be no need for him to concede to any lesser amount as part of an injury settlement). Otherwise injury guarantees typically mean an extra year - following the current one - is guaranteed for injury. If they're guaranteed just by him getting injured (in team activities), then that wouldn't apply to Reddick anyway since he has no contract past this year. 

The other disadvantage to a holdout vs a hold-in is - particularly with the new higher fines that can't be waived - the team needs to first augment the prior contract for the amount of the fines and then further add to that as a pay raise. If the fines were a few hundred thousand or a little more, ok at these $-level deals that's a rounding error the team can painlessly overpay. When the fines reach into the millions it becomes more complicated, as the team is then absorbing a higher cap hit than they're (net) paying the player. 

Reddick really made the whole negotiation more difficult to resolve by holding out, and it's in his interest to get it resolved. CeeDee Lamb can hold out and, because the deal he's likely to get after it's resolved is a multi-year deal rather than padding the current one slightly, it's a lot easier to make up the fines he's accumulated. Further, as he's a few years younger, a more difficult player to replace, more integral to the Dallas offense than Reddick is to the Jets' defense, and far more team investment made in him thus far, he just has a lot more leverage than Reddick.

[rangerous]

i think the bottom line is reddick thinks he's a 25 million player and he's not.  my guess is his current contract is about where he should be and he needs to start understanding the reality of the situation.  his agent needs to figure this out too.  i don't think a trade is out of the question assuming the current players are filling in quite nicely during his absence.  it's just too bad that the jets will have missed out on whatever player would have been available in the third round.

[JohnnyLV]

On 8/14/2024 at 8:08 AM, #27TheDominator said:

Sorry.  I edited my post because I lost half.  The missing part was this:

It is possible they don't want to let Douglas spend a ton of money this year because he is a lame duck.  It is also possible that they know that they have Reddick over a barrel and can get him to play and play well at his current contract.  I think the board overrates Huff who is a part time player.  He is a very good DPR, but I think much of that is based on the system and others will also thrive.  We will see which, but I think it is unfair to lambaste them for folding up the Packers last year to "just get it done" and then complain that they didn't lock Reddick up long term to some crazy contract when they only need him to pin his ears back 17 times a game.

 

I think Huff is dramatically underrated by our coaching staff and the fan base here. I think by midseason Huff will become one of the breakout players in the NFL. Clearly Philly thinks Huff is more valuable and they will be proven right. I can't find the stat right now, but it was something like this last year: With Huff on the field the Jets defense was #1 in DVOA but like 16th without him. He has ELITE (like Top 3) rushing ability in the NFL and his run stopping and setting the edge WAS improving. I said it at the time this is one of the worst JD moves ever and that is before the holdout.

[Green Ghost]

31 minutes ago, rangerous said:

i think the bottom line is reddick thinks he's a 25 million player and he's not.  my guess is his current contract is about where he should be and he needs to start understanding the reality of the situation.  his agent needs to figure this out too.  i don't think a trade is out of the question assuming the current players are filling in quite nicely during his absence.  it's just too bad that the jets will have missed out on whatever player would have been available in the third round.

Bottom line, huh?

Not sure where you got that $25 mil number from, but how many guys in the NFL would you say play his position better than him?

[JKlecko]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i think the bottom line is reddick thinks he's a 25 million player and he's not.  my guess is his current contract is about where he should be and he needs to start understanding the reality of the situation.  his agent needs to figure this out too.  i don't think a trade is out of the question assuming the current players are filling in quite nicely during his absence.  it's just too bad that the jets will have missed out on whatever player would have been available in the third round.

I think it's out of the question because no other team wants Reddick.  The Jets were the only team that contacted the Eagles about trading for him.  I read somewhere last night that the Lions have said that they want no part of Reddick.  If one team feels that way, I'm certain there are a lot more as well.

[rangerous]

59 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Bottom line, huh?

Not sure where you got that $25 mil number from, but how many guys in the NFL would you say play his position better than him?

key word is he thinks he is.  how many?  at least 10.

[OilfieldJet]

6 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

My guess is it would be

1. guaranteeing the season
   • and yes it's a red herring; there's no way they're cutting a probowl edge rusher in his prime, on an under-market contract, after trading a future day-2 pick for him, and cutting him in the days/weeks before week 1, whether for injury or for skill. Just because they retain the ability to do so doesn't mean there's any serious chance they will). 
2. incentive bumps that could make it worth up to ~$20MM if he has a typical Reddick season
   • I said a week or two ago this is an ok in-between the $15MM his contract year called for and the $25MM he's seeking; not fully what he wants, but he's not negotiating from a position of strength.
   • The problem is a $5MM incentives bump will be paid by the Jets, but even if it happened today he'd only receive about $3MM of it and the other ~$2MM would be going to charity because of the mandatory fines he's already accrued, if you include the sat-out first preseason game. Fine by me that the money goes to charity, of course, but it blows that the $2MM fine would still count against the Jets' salary cap, all because Reddick was a dumbass who staged a holdout instead of a hold-in, even though they're materially the same thing plus.

If this was actually all about nothing more than fully guaranteeing the season, he could've just shown up, worked out in the gym with the team, eat their food, and refuse to practice or play in any scrimmages or preseason games.

Of course now if he does that until making the week 1 roster, he doesn't get $15MM anymore. Well, he gets it, but some $4.5MM of it will only as a pass-through to a charity so he'll only make ~$10MM for 17 games this year, and he's not going to want a fully guaranteed $10.5MM any more than an on-paper non-guaranteed $15MM.

His holdout strategy really put an extra strain on any negotiations. They said they're not redoing anything unless he's showing up just like other players who want their contracts extended, raised, etc. but who are not only showing up and practicing without getting that done, but have been good and loyal teammates on the Jets already (specifically, Reed & Carter).

I've got no problem with him trying to get a better payday, but the way he's going about it he's acting like a child with a total lack of foresight, because no matter how this ends, with the fines he'll have accumulated, no matter what new number they come up with he'll end up taking home less than he would have if he'd just done a hold-in and got the same concessions from the Jets, and if he never shows up (which is his toothless threat, in effect) he'll still be under contract with the Jets next year, too.

Good post, there are solid paths to a compromise that will benefit both sides.

[Green Ghost]

8 minutes ago, rangerous said:

key word is he thinks he is.  how many?  at least 10.

Serious question…. Did he say he wants $25 mil? I’ve never seen where he did?

One more question, (and not as serious). When the trade was made did you say “this is great! We got the guy who might be the 11th best player at his position”? and I’ll go easy here. just name 8 you think are better.

[Jethead]

No question about it, a textbook lesson in strategery!

[jgb]

road map leaked

[Jet_Engine1]

I thought this was a good video, refuting some of the narrative about this situation. Go to :30 and see what the man had to say when he was traded here. 

 

 

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i think the bottom line is reddick thinks he's a 25 million player and he's not.  my guess is his current contract is about where he should be and he needs to start understanding the reality of the situation.  his agent needs to figure this out too. .

Right

And What team is giving him 25 million per year at age 31 after he sits out a year? I just don't see it. And I'm a Reddick guy. He's a legit pass rusher, but he's overplaying his hand here. 

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, JohnnyLV said:

I think Huff is dramatically underrated by our coaching staff and the fan base here. I think by midseason Huff will become one of the breakout players in the NFL. Clearly Philly thinks Huff is more valuable and they will be proven right. I can't find the stat right now, but it was something like this last year: With Huff on the field the Jets defense was #1 in DVOA but like 16th without him. He has ELITE (like Top 3) rushing ability in the NFL and his run stopping and setting the edge WAS improving. I said it at the time this is one of the worst JD moves ever and that is before the holdout.

Fair enough.  Like, that's just your opinion, dude.  I think there is some validity to it, but I think the truth lies somewhere in between.  Most posters act like this:  IT'S 100% OBVIOUS!  THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT HUFF!  or IT'S 100% OBVIOUS THEY SHOULD NEVER PAY A PART TIME PLAYER THAT KIND OF MONEY!

I think things in football are rarely that obvious and if they were, it would be much easier to be a GM.  I agree these guys are staking their careers on some of these moves, but that is what I want.  I want them to do their evals and make the choices they want to.  I don't want them to always make the chalk pick like Maccagnan or heaven forbid roll over for the fans and press.  

I appreciate your take.  You may be right, but, as I said, I think the truth is somewhere in between.  The team is built to play with a lead.  Huff was a part of that, but I think it influences his DVOA.  I read all those stats about his top of the league rush ability and I don't know if I believe them.  He is very good, don't get me wrong.  I just don't see anything that jumps out at me. It may be that my eye test isn't that great or that the system is helping a very good player look great.  If he were actually that great, why didn't anybody poach him in 2023?  His advanced stats type numbers like win rate were already elite.  Maybe that was also a mistake around the league.  

 

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1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

Right

And What team is giving him 25 million per year at age 31 after he sits out a year? I just don't see it. And I'm a Reddick guy. He's a legit pass rusher, but he's overplaying his hand here. 

And..... after he has demonstrated a track record of not being willing to live up to the terms of the contract he is on.

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1 hour ago, rangerous said:

key word is he thinks he is.  how many?  at least 10.

List them 

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20 hours ago, JKlecko said:

I'm not sure I'd qualify Reddick as a "premium" pass rusher.  He was perhaps, but he's now 30 and an unknown. 

I agree that we will agree to disagree.  Let's agree that Reddick is not a premium pass rusher. But, had he played with the Jets last year, he would have led the team in sacks.  He also would have led the Jets team in sacks in 2022, and in 2021 as well. 

You know who led the Jets in sacks in 2023.  That would be Huff, and the Eagles thought enough of him to sign him up, for more money than Reddick is currently getting.

You say he is an unknown?  No, we will agree to disagree on that as well.  So, he is not an unknown.  And just to keep it real, he is still 29 years old.