Lose on MNF - 2025 Rebuild and a Path Forward

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

The Jets are fully capable of the first part — losing on MNF — but the rest is a pipe dream.

Changes won’t come until black Monday, by which point Aaron Rodgers will already be in a dark cave somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa planning his retirement speech.

[Larz]

3 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

If I were the owner looking to tank? I actually don’t think this is the year to tank, but rather ensure whatever young talent we have is evaluated to determine who should be brought back, and build on SOMETHING worth selling to attract new head coaches.

However, if the scenario is to tank then I fire Saleh and Hackett. Then I tell Ulbrich to bench Rodgers due to “injury” or even performance at this point. 

I trade Sauce, Tyron, Mike Williams, and Breece….if I were tanking of course.

You think anyone is coming here after woody cut JDs legs off by putting him on a budget in his lame duck year ?

The jets are going to stink for 20 years because of woody. 
 

the old idea of blow it up and start over won’t work here because this franchise is uniquely held in such low regard by the league and front offices and coaches because of Woody. 

woody is used as leverage and as a stalking horse 

 

[Jet_Engine1]

This organization will never win again. They are the Washington Generals for the rest of the league. 

 

[frankiepapa]

Agreed but 4 consecutive division titles versus what our guy has produced. He also oversaw the development of an extremely raw QB in Josh Allen who most people wrote off coming out of college.
 

One other thing about Buffalo.. look at what they've lost on both sides of the ball... so a down year would be possible but they still got off to a 3-0 start and could very well have beaten a really good team on the road yesterday

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[TuscanyTile2]

32 minutes ago, Biggs said:

The Bills suck and have an equally bad HC.  Their QB is miles better than ours but this game is winable.   

The Denver game was winnable too.

[Adoni Beast]

3 minutes ago, frankiepapa said:

One other thing about Buffalo.. look at what they've lost on both sides of the ball... so a down year would be possible but they still got off to a 3-0 start and could very well have beaten a really good team on the road yesterday

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They are certainly beatable this year and given our talent, at home, MNF, this is a game you find a way to win if you are a good team and you find a way to lose if you are sh*t.

[Adoni Beast]

2 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

The Denver game was winnable too.

That was emabarrasssing.

[Adoni Beast]

14 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

The Jets are fully capable of the first part — losing on MNF — but the rest is a pipe dream.

Changes won’t come until black Monday, by which point Aaron Rodgers will already be in a dark cave somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa planning his retirement speech.

I can’t envision Rodgers retiring if the year collapses. He strikes me as someone completely ego-driven and would charm Woody into the notion that it was indeed everyone else’s fault.

Rodgers will subsequently be picking our next GM + HC + roster moves for 2025, which will be his last season in the hope that he can at least leave his career on a positive note….which given the way he’s been playing will be a nightmare scenario for us.

[Pac]

49 minutes ago, Greensleeves said:

Can we please let them play 8 games before we make any declarations? I appreciate your efforts here, but I believe this team will come together and be tough to beat. Buffalo looked way worse than us the last two weeks. It matters how we come together - all of our really good teams had records like this before we went on a run. There is not one team in the AFC that is separating themselves with a high level of play. We win 3 games in a row and everyone will be talking about Super Bowl. It's a marathon, not a sprint this year. Let's end the season playing our best and see where we are. A team with 9 wins will get in the playoffs this year, maybe 2.

Ive never seen such fear and panic from a fanbase.  I'm shifting from annoyed to sympathetic.  Many of them do seem quite rattled. 

[Ecuadorian Jet]

Nothing will ever ever ever ever change for this team. For example, let's just say the Jets do the most logical thing which is to fire Saleh immediately. Saleh is a loser head coach, no way anyone can defend otherwise. 

So say that you fire Saleh, what is next? you should also fire Nathanial Hackett. what is next? you should also fire Keith Carter.  I would love to have Ulbrich fired too, but he has bought himself some time. 

Elevate anyone to interim Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator and Oline coach. Your choice Middleton, Downing, etc.

Fast forward to the end of the season, regardless of the outcome, you fire Joe Douglas. 

You bring another GM who hires a new HC, etc.

What do you think is going to happen? Regardless of how good the talent, this franchise, this organization has the supervillain ability to make everyone regress. GMs, coaches, players. Every single person that touches this organization loses any hope to improve, get better, their regression is guaranteed.

This is because the Jets franchise has embedded in its bones that the most important thing is PR, not winning. PR, image, marketing and all that is the most important factor. I said in another thread, and I will say it again: The Jets are the football version of the play The Producers. 

Nothing will ever ever ever change for this franchise. Unless someone like a Mark Cuban buys this team, nothing will ever change. 

 

 

[Creepy Lurker]

1 hour ago, THE BARON said:

are you sure ??? always remember the commonality between all the failed regime changes.  And that same factor will underpin the next regime.

the jets may very well never see another playoff game until the ownership changes even if the GM and CS change again, and again, and agin.

no rocket science here.  it should be very clear art this point. 

Yeah but I don’t follow sports and this is the only sport left that I very loosely follow. I’ll stay a Jets fan even if it’s bleak but I can’t support known negligence like what we’ve seen. 

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

4 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said:

Yeah but I don’t follow sports and this is the only sport left that I very loosely follow. I’ll stay a Jets fan even if it’s bleak but I can’t support known negligence like what we’ve seen. 

The catalyst for the Bills turnaround last season was firing Ken Dorsey in-season and promoting Joe Brady.

Bob doesn’t have the guts (or the authority) to do that.

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

They don't need a full rebuild. Plenty of pieces in place to use and build on.

And if the new regime wants to move on, should have good trade assets.

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT BOYSZ

 

[The Crusher]

2 hours ago, Edgy said:

Jets Fans.   If we win, we're in first place in AFCE, and people think we're going to the super bowl?   But if we lose, this team needs to be torn down to the studs.   

The bottom line is that outside of the chiefs, there just aren't a lot of football teams out there that you can look at and say 'These guys are going on a tear'.  

 

Washington Commanders. 

[THE BARON]

6 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

They don't need a full rebuild. Plenty of pieces in place to use and build on.

And if the new regime wants to move on, should have good trade assets.

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT BOYSZ

 

They need an OC.  This is problematic.  Rodgers wants Hackett there.   A new OC means a new QB too.  Rodgers will wet the bed if a new OC starts telling him that he's a QB and not the owner.  

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

The Denver and Minnesota games were literally like watching any game with Zack Wilson or Mike White.

Defense playing good (yet still can’t make a massive turnover to take over the game).

Thing is, the defense did do that.  4 sacks, an interception and a fumble recovery, returned to Viking's territory.   17 first downs allowed on 13 Viking Drives.  They held the Vikings under 3 yards per rush.   The Vikings Average drive was under 20 yards.   The Vikings first field goal "drive" was 3 plays for 2 yards.

If the refs don't go crazy on the PI calls (some legit, some BS), the Jets D gives up 9 points.   Even with the penalties, the Jets D was responsible for 4 sacks, 2 turnovers, and 13 points allowed. 

[chirorob]

10 minutes ago, SomebodytoAnybody47 said:

They don't need a full rebuild. Plenty of pieces in place to use and build on.

And if the new regime wants to move on, should have good trade assets.

THE FUTURE IS BRIGHT BOYSZ

 

What is there on offense to build around?

Wilson is good, not elite.  Breece is, I don't know right now.   Long term, they have a center, 1 WR, Braelen and Breece, and what?

[LAD_Brooklyn]

That guy on my avatar, yes he's our savior. 

[Rochester Jets]

If they lose to Buffalo Monday night, and the team looks lost like they have, then I want to see Saleh and Hackett fired the next day.  Let's see what can shake out the rest of the season to see if Douglas is kept or fired too.  I wouldn't make any player moves until the new staff and GM are here and can evaluate the team.  Who knows, maybe a different staff can get these guys to perform at a much higher level?  

[frankiepapa]

Thing is, the defense did do that.  4 sacks, an interception and a fumble recovery, returned to Viking's territory.   17 first downs allowed on 13 Viking Drives.  They held the Vikings under 3 yards per rush.   The Vikings Average drive was under 20 yards.   The Vikings first field goal "drive" was 3 plays for 2 yards.
If the refs don't go crazy on the PI calls (some legit, some BS), the Jets D gives up 9 points.   Even with the penalties, the Jets D was responsible for 4 sacks, 2 turnovers, and 13 points allowed. 

Just aren't getting the explosive plays...remember why we beat Denver the last 2 years..Breece had 70 yard runs... that was the difference in those games

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[Plen T]

Fire Hackett 

Rodgers retires

Bobby Bozo canned

Ben Johnson in

[Dunnie]

I cannot believe this season will be over two weeks before Halloween . Insane.

[varjet]

Next offseason, the Jets have three choices:

• They can cut AR8 and incur a $49mm cap charge-the bill for his services the last two years that they never paid.  This sounds terrible but is actually the best option.
• They can pay AR8 another $35mm option bonus to play in 2025.  His cap hit is $23.5mm.   When the Jets want to move on in 2026 his cap hit is $35mm.
• For options A or B, they can spread the cap hit over 2 years if he is designated a post-June 1 cut/retirement.    My guess is that it is a little tricky to do that.  
• This entire AR8 plan is based on him making another $35mm from Woody in 2025.  There is NO WAY he is giving that up.  He has the Jets over a barrel...unless the Jets suck it up and eat the $49mm and start over.  Maybe that is what the Reddick dance is all about.  
• Based on how AR8 looks now, moving on from him in 2025 and tanking for a QB in 2026 would appear to be the best option.   At least this time around we would have at least 3 decent OL (if Fashanu gets it together).  

 

[TuscanyTile2]

4 hours ago, Creepy Lurker said:

The Bowles/Mac years were horrible and they somehow just kept getting worse. More resources used with even less results. Complete disaster decade. 10 seasons of futility and incompetence spanning 2 regimes with a Gase in the middle. 

What's crazy is I really believed in the JD rebuild.  Certainly that 2022 (?) draft with Sauce, GW, JJ, Breece, Micheal Clemons and Max Mitchell.  Then we started the year like 5-2 (something like that) and ZW had a nice comeback win against Pittsburgh mixed in there.  I really thought we had something.

Alas, Jets.

[Adoni Beast]

1 hour ago, varjet said:

Next offseason, the Jets have three choices:

• They can cut AR8 and incur a $49mm cap charge-the bill for his services the last two years that they never paid.  This sounds terrible but is actually the best option.
• They can pay AR8 another $35mm option bonus to play in 2025.  His cap hit is $23.5mm.   When the Jets want to move on in 2026 his cap hit is $35mm.
• For options A or B, they can spread the cap hit over 2 years if he is designated a post-June 1 cut/retirement.    My guess is that it is a little tricky to do that.  
• This entire AR8 plan is based on him making another $35mm from Woody in 2025.  There is NO WAY he is giving that up.  He has the Jets over a barrel...unless the Jets suck it up and eat the $49mm and start over.  Maybe that is what the Reddick dance is all about.  
• Based on how AR8 looks now, moving on from him in 2025 and tanking for a QB in 2026 would appear to be the best option.   At least this time around we would have at least 3 decent OL (if Fashanu gets it together).  

 

I fully expect Rodgers back next year with a new coaching staff (and possible GM).

The Jets will most likely draft a QB in one of the first two rounds and have that person be the successor in waiting.

[joewilly12]

Rebuild again LOL 

[SomebodytoAnybody47]

4 hours ago, chirorob said:

What is there on offense to build around?

Wilson is good, not elite.  Breece is, I don't know right now.   Long term, they have a center, 1 WR, Braelen and Breece, and what?

You just named 4 young players…

You don’t need elite talent across the board. Good QB play with good coaching will take you where you want to go. If they ever find that, who tf knows. 

[Mike135]

Na, I'd prefer to win.

I like where the team is.  Played one of the best teams and "should have" won.  All with a QB that still doesn't have a good rapport with his WRs.

Patience.

[Beerfish]

We do not need a full rebuild at all imo.

Step one Saleh and all assistants fired

Douglas on notice but not fired

Hire a smart young offensive coach like Ben Johnson

Tell Rodgers thanks for the effort but move on.

Draft a QB and bring in another vet QB to pair with Tyrod Taylor

This team does have talent we need coaches that can actually use it.

[#27TheDominator]

7 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

It’s obvious we aren’t a Super Bowl contender this year and most likely won’t be next year. The reasons why are endlessly debatable. 

So now we look to 2025 and the worst part about it is we are in for a full rebuild. Yes we have some young pieces but they are a bit overrated honestly. Does Sauce, Breece, GW5 REALLY deserves the $ they will be commanding? I don’t think any of them are worth the asking price honestly but we’ll have to pay up somewhere.

New coach, probably new GM, and probably will need a new QB. Regardless of how our young core finish out the season, when you need those 3 things then that’s a rebuild. No way to slice it, which of course = we are not close to a Super Bowl next year.

ONLY HOPE…as I see it.

1. Hopefully develop some identity and progress on offense with AR8. Can he hold up? Can he get better? I think our best bet is having him back next year with a new coaching staff, have a rookie drafted QB sit behind him for a year. Hopefully some chemistry with GW5 + Breece is developed that can continue into next year.

2. This almost certainly will not happen - if Rodgers continues as he’s played the last 2 weeks….bench him. Use injury as an excuse if you have to. But it is imperative we know for certain what we have on offense worth keeping or not for next year. That includes every playmakers and lineman. Put in Tyrod if you need to. But this display cannot continue. Again this will almost certainly not happen but it is necessary if Rodgers doesn’t start playing well.

If you can accomplish one of the two options and you feel good about our young players due for big $ finishing the season then at least the next coach has something to work with. Maybe Rodgers is stronger next year or a new QB has a better situation to start into.

Unless we win Monday Night this season is lost. I will resign to the fact that we are missing the playoffs (again forever) and will only watch in hopes of player development (all before Halloween again).

I think it is very telling that Rodgers had the ball in his hands the last 2 games to win the game and couldn’t get it done. This is why we traded for him…for those moments. If he can’t do it in those moments then why is he here? Change the narrative Monday at home, on National TV.

Another loss and we’re cooked and we look forward to a rebuild (again).

 

This place has completely lost its sh*t.  I knew it would happen, but it is even wackier than I remembered and this post is a perfect microcosm of the irrational ridiculousness that gets thrown around as the best way forward.  A numbered path for the future with only two numbers?  Step 1, Step 2, Profit? 

Those two points are literally completely contradictory?  1.  Keep Rodgers with a new coaching staff, so we can see what we have.  2.  Bench Rodgers now so we can see what we have?  What the what? 

Full tear down and rebuild!  Our young guys are not worth the asking price!  Do you know the asking price?  For any of them?  Guess what, you don't, but might as well get rid of them all because they *might* be expensive!

Nobody is happy.  We get it.  Team has lost ugly 3 times and won ugly once in five games. Still, this lost season nonsense is idiotic.  They have 96 year old QB that missed last season and has not played, (even in the preseason) with anybody but the disgraced #3 WR.  Their #2 WR missed camp and is on a pitch count.  A slow start was to be expected. 

NEWSFLASH!  Seven teams in the conference will make the playoffs.  There are only six teams in the conference with better records than the Jets right now.  They are a game out of the division lead.  For a change the division seems to blow and they have only played one of their 6 division games.  The last time they won the division they started 1-4.  They finish the season against a bunch of easy teams.  Does this mean they will win?  Does this mean they will make the playoffs?  Of course not.  We were touting the easy end to the season the last few years.  It's Kickboxer 8, but there is no more reason to think they suck now than there was in August but everybody is losing their sh*t around here.  That's fine with me, I just wish everybody were a little more amusing about it.

[i remember shea]

6 hours ago, Larz said:

You think anyone is coming here after woody cut JDs legs off by putting him on a budget in his lame duck year ?

The jets are going to stink for ANOTHER 20 years because of woody. 
 

the old idea of blow it up and start over won’t work here because this franchise is uniquely held in such low regard by the league and front offices and coaches because of Woody. 

woody is used as leverage and as a stalking horse 

 

Fixed this for you. 

[Prodigal Syndicate]

I don't envy the next regime.

The fanbase anointed Douglas a winner and great GM on day 1. The excuses never stopped in 6 years for a large portion. 

Some have fallen off, but some are still in complete denial that he's an awful GM.

Because of this and all the emotions people go with that they invested in him convinced he was great, I think the next GM will have a short leash from the fan base. When this season inevitably fails and he is let go, the gut punch is gonna be enormous for a lot of people and they'll take it out on the next guy.

 

Then on top of all that, this teams structure is basically all in for this season alone. So many vets will be gone. There will be hard decisions needing to be made and clearing out bad contracts. The offense will need almost a top to bottom over haul for example.

[Dunnie]

I don't envy the next regime.
The fanbase anointed Douglas a winner and great GM on day 1. The excuses never stopped in 6 years for a large portion. 
Some have fallen off, but some are still in complete denial that he's an awful GM.
Because of this and all the emotions people go with that they invested in him convinced he was great, I think the next GM will have a short leash from the fan base. When this season inevitably fails and he is let go, the gut punch is gonna be enormous for a lot of people and they'll take it out on the next guy.
 
Then on top of all that, this teams structure is basically all in for this season alone. So many vets will be gone. There will be hard decisions needing to be made and clearing out bad contracts. The offense will need almost a top to bottom over haul for example.

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