POLL: What is Your Reaction to the Saleh Firing / Ulbrich Being Named Interim?

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

31 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

The offense isn’t going to change. This isn’t the offense Saleh wanted. He didn’t want to fire Mike LaFleur.

Saleh was literally fired because he was trying to make changes on offense to strip Hackett of playcalling and Rodgers told Woody to fire him. 

That’s certainly a narrative.  People who believe this have to believe that Ulbrich is just a puppet.  There’s nothing that tells me he is a puppet.

Changes are coming..  

[Sonny Werblin]

Robert Saleh was fools gold. He succeeded as a D coordinator running someone else’s system and needed s bevy of first round picks for it to work. In his biggest moment, his defense failed and literally lost a superbowl that had been won. He is not, and was never an X’s and O’s game plan guy. His “plan” is to have better players than his opponent and do the same thing play after play.. His hiring was a mistake and it took too long to correct that mistake.

Jeff Ulbrich could be a Eureka type hire. He is not concerned with his public image. The game and the players are his focus. He has been in the NFL a long long time and has seen a lot of coaching staffs from both a player and coach perspective. Maybe this one time the Jets have stumbled into a good thing? 

[TuscanyTile2]

27 minutes ago, rangerous said:

I’m not an advocate of in season coaching changing but it was plenty clear something needed to be done.  If Carter or Hackett or any other coach or player weren’t pulling their weight then saleh needed to do something.  Last season he continued to play Tomlinson when the guy was a near turnstile.  Bench him.  And then he had semein as a qb for a full four weeks before putting him in a game preferring to start Boyle.  IMO if semien came in earlier this team could’ve contested for a playoff spot.  When Rodgers went down he set his win goal at 7.  He achieved that but never really tried to surpass it. 
 As for the timing, the sooner the better for something like this.  They couldn’t wait until the break and, while the bills are a good team, the team as a rule seems to get motivated to play the bills.  It’s an important game and everyone knows this.

Fully agree that the sooner the better on the timing.  Why put yourself in a 2-5 hole (if we lost to Buffalo and Pittsburgh) before taking any action?  Personally, I couldn't believe we entrusted this team to Saleh from the start of the year (especially when a guy like Mike Vrabel was out there).  After the whole "nothing part of football" comment, my level of disgust with that (complete and utter) fraud was through the roof. 

Sometimes when someone gets fired you start to question if maybe things weren't as bad as you thought.  That is NOT the case here though.  Saleh was a disaster in so many ways.  He's the perfect illustration of The Peter Principle.  He's a competent DC but should never ever even be given consideration for a HC job in the NFL ever again. 

[Trotter]

13 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Al Bundy just might be the greatest tv character ever created.

[slats]

I wouldn’t’ve batted an eye if they had decided to let Saleh go at the end of last season, or if they let his contract expire after this one. Firing him now accomplishes nothing but appeasing the fan gang who wants to fire and/or cut everybody all the time. The same people thrilled with Saleh’s firing yesterday wanted Ulbrich fired after one season, and now Ulbrich is supposed to save the team? 
 
Imho, they’ve put Ulbrich in an impossible spot: keep doing what you’re doing with the defense, because that’s working, but also we’ll be having you run the whole team now. Also, if you could maybe fix the offense, that would be great, because that’s the real problem. An already light coaching staff is that much thinner, so not only does Ulbrich now have a ton more responsibility, but he’s also lost a valuable defensive mind to lean on to run his unit. 
 
I like Ulbrich a lot, so don’t get me wrong. If they had fired Saleh last January and let Ulbrich put together a staff, that’d’ve been great. Instead, this is a reactionary move from a weak, feckless owner that does nothing to fix the problems at hand. I hope I live long enough to see him sell the team. 

[BreeceHallofFame]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

The offense isn’t going to change. This isn’t the offense Saleh wanted. He didn’t want to fire Mike LaFleur.

Saleh was literally fired because he was trying to make changes on offense to strip Hackett of playcalling and Rodgers told Woody to fire him. 

Right… the coach that said we are in the “nothing” part of the season and “we are going to keep doing what we are doing” and emphatically said “no” when asked if play calling was changing Monday magically decided to do a 180 and demote the OC of his HOF QB after just 5 games. The same guy that was caught texting with Beningo. 🤡 

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, slats said:

I wouldn’t’ve batted an eye if they had decided to let Saleh go at the end of last season, or if they let his contract expire after this one. Firing him now accomplishes nothing but appeasing the fan gang who wants to fire and/or cut everybody all the time. The same people thrilled with Saleh’s firing yesterday wanted Ulbrich fired after one season, and now Ulbrich is supposed to save the team? 
 
Imho, they’ve put Ulbrich in an impossible spot: keep doing what you’re doing with the defense, because that’s working, but also we’ll be having you run the whole team now. Also, if you could maybe fix the offense, that would be great, because that’s the real problem. An already light coaching staff is that much thinner, so not only does Ulbrich now have a ton more responsibility, but he’s also lost a valuable defensive mind to lean on to run his unit. 
 
I like Ulbrich a lot, so don’t get me wrong. If they had fared Saleh last January and let Ulbrich put together a staff, that’d’ve been great. Instead, this is a reactionary move from a weak, feckless owner that does nothing to fix the problems at hand. I hope I live long enough to see him sell the team. 

My gut feeling is that the country club atmosphere changes immediately.  Ulbrich wants that HC money and this his golden opportunity to prove himself.  Saleh already got that big contract and he was wishy-washy to begin with.  Ulbrich seems like he's hungry.  Possibly even @The Crusher level hungry.

[TuscanyTile2]

1 minute ago, BreeceHallofFame said:

Right… the coach that said we are in the “nothing” part of the season and “we are going to keep doing what we are doing” and emphatically said “no” when asked if play calling was changing Monday magically decided to do a 180 and demote the OC of his HOF QB after just 5 games. The same guy that was caught texting with Beningo. 🤡 

Saleh was a disaster.  I'm so glad he's finally in the rear-view mirror.  

[The Crusher]

3 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

My gut feeling is that the country club atmosphere changes immediately.  Ulbrich wants that HC money and this his golden opportunity to prove himself.  Saleh already got that big contract and he was wishy-washy to begin with.  Ulbrich seems like he's hungry.  Possibly even @The Crusher level hungry.

Jealousy is a wasted emotion and setting goals this high is madness. 

[Mike135]

Ulbrich seems like a good option.  Good to potentially get him locked up before some other team grabs him.

Saleh seems like a cool guy.  Obviously a great defensive coach.  But maybe just lacks what's needed to be a head coach.  

Can't argue with what Woody did here.

[Asymmetrical]

38 minutes ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

That’s certainly a narrative.  People who believe this have to believe that Ulbrich is just a puppet.  There’s nothing that tells me he is a puppet.

Changes are coming..  

Ulbrich is fine. There's even the possibility that he'd make a good hc. The problem is every single piece of available evidence indicates that Rodgers is running the offense and basically the team. The offense is broken and the solution has been to promote the DC and change nothing else about the offensive side of things (to this point). That does not seem like a way to fix a busted offense, even if getting rid of the head coach is an upgrade. 

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

Just now, Asymmetrical said:

Ulbrich is fine. There's even the possibility that he'd make a good hc. The problem is every single piece of available evidence indicates that Rodgers is running the offense and basically the team. The offense is broken and the solution has been to promote the DC and change nothing else about the offensive side of things (to this point). That does not seem like a way to fix a busted offense, even if getting rid of the head coach is an upgrade. 

Let’s give the guy a chance, no?  I mean he’s been in the job for less than a day :).

He’s already told us no changes in titles but that responsibilities will be looked at.  Is that not evidence?

Of course Rodgers will have input.  Why wouldn’t he?

Logic tells me a guy like Ulbrich — someone who would be a HC candidate next cycle — wouldn’t take the job if he didn’t have authority.  He’s a former player, and ultra competitive.  Doesn’t look or sound like the used car salesman politician that Saleh was.

I’m a betting man and my bet is there will be changes.  

[Gaffneycatch81]

14 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Disagree with Saleh firing. I understand it, I’m not gonna complain or criticize much - the results haven’t been there, so I get it. 

I just think this org has terrible decision making - if you wanted this done - it should’ve been in the offseason. 5 games in? Idk, does anyone think Rodgers missing throws, Hackett’s ineptitude or an underperforming offensive line is really on Saleh? 

But whatever, we should hire an offensive coach anyway, so F it. 

For the interim, I love Ulbrich. He cool. 

This about sums up where I am on both questions

[Lot K Tailgaters]

I’m ok with Saleh being fired and Ulbrich taking over.  I’m not ok with Woody doing this without even consulting his GM and having security escort Saleh out.  Saleh wasn’t a good head coach but that does not mean he is a bad person.  It is a bad look for the next time they hire a head coach again  

 

If they don’t keep Ulbrich after the season or JD is gone this will not be a place a coach or GM wants to work.  Woody is a head case.   

[Rich Thornburgh]

Apathy

 

i don’t think it helps nor hurts.  The real problem is lack of talent on offense 

[Rich Thornburgh]

38 minutes ago, Asymmetrical said:

Ulbrich is fine. There's even the possibility that he'd make a good hc. The problem is every single piece of available evidence indicates that Rodgers is running the offense and basically the team. The offense is broken and the solution has been to promote the DC and change nothing else about the offensive side of things (to this point). That does not seem like a way to fix a busted offense, even if getting rid of the head coach is an upgrade. 

Ulbrich is keeping the seat warm for Belichick after both the eagles and cowboys turn him away

 

Only way Ulbrich is the head coach next season is if we get the Davante Adams trade done and the offense upgraded so we maybe make a playoff run

[Smashmouth]

15 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Which if the above statements best represents your reaction to Saleh being fired and Ulbrich being named interim head coach?

Im neutral on both fronts becase we are not around the team, in the facility, in the meetings ......

[Smashmouth]

1 minute ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Ulbrich is keeping the seat warm for Belichick after both the eagles and cowboys turn him away

 

Only way Ulbrich is the head coach next season is if we get the Davante Adams trade done and the offense upgraded so we maybe make a playoff run

Let me help you out a bit here ....Belichick and Woody despise each other and its less likely than any single thing in all of professional sports and in the history of said sports going back to when the Mayans and Aztecs kicked some sort of ball around and called it a sport that Bill Belichick will ever want to or be wanted to coach the Jets.

[Rich Thornburgh]

3 minutes ago, Smashmouth said:

Let me help you out a bit here ....Belichick and Woody despise each other and its less likely than any single thing in all of professional sports and in the history of said sports going back to when the Mayans and Aztecs kicked some sort of ball around and called it a sport that Bill Belichick will ever want to or be wanted to coach the Jets.

Woody is as impulsive as it gets and more than anything he likes the splashy move that grabs headlines.  If we continue with this trash ass WR corps we will miss the playoffs 15th year in a row and Aaron will retire.  Woody will be begging Belichick to come here this January 

 

Belichick wants the all time Win record.  The cowboys aren’t going to fire McCarthy. The eagles will fire Sirianni but they have better options 

[Smashmouth]

6 minutes ago, Rich Thornburgh said:

Woody is as impulsive as it gets and more than anything he likes the splashy move that grabs headlines.  If we continue with this trash ass WR corps we will miss the playoffs 15th year in a row and Aaron will retire.  Woody will be begging Belichick to come here this January 

 

Belichick wants the all time Win record.  The cowboys aren’t going to fire McCarthy. The eagles will fire Sirianni but they have better options 

Not Happening give it up

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, slats said:

I wouldn’t’ve batted an eye if they had decided to let Saleh go at the end of last season, or if they let his contract expire after this one. Firing him now accomplishes nothing but appeasing the fan gang who wants to fire and/or cut everybody all the time. The same people thrilled with Saleh’s firing yesterday wanted Ulbrich fired after one season, and now Ulbrich is supposed to save the team? 
 
Imho, they’ve put Ulbrich in an impossible spot: keep doing what you’re doing with the defense, because that’s working, but also we’ll be having you run the whole team now. Also, if you could maybe fix the offense, that would be great, because that’s the real problem. An already light coaching staff is that much thinner, so not only does Ulbrich now have a ton more responsibility, but he’s also lost a valuable defensive mind to lean on to run his unit. 
 
I like Ulbrich a lot, so don’t get me wrong. If they had fired Saleh last January and let Ulbrich put together a staff, that’d’ve been great. Instead, this is a reactionary move from a weak, feckless owner that does nothing to fix the problems at hand. I hope I live long enough to see him sell the team. 

I think there’s more to this than Woody reacting to and appeasing fans. He's never fired a HC mid-season, so history points ti him not caving to fan pressure. I think this had more to do with what looks like a very fake, toxic culture. All of the evidence points to the players becoming vocal about the type of leadership being demonstrated.

Im not a big fan of Woody, but it doesn’t take much savvy to know that if Saleh was disgruntled he 1.) wasn’t going to apply himself to his job, and 2.) was going to cultivate a losing culture.

To me, everything points to him effectively quiet quitting or self-sabotaging, consciously or not, his heart wasn’t in it.

I agree this puts the screws to Ulbrich, but I think they probably thought Aaron would make everything better - hence no coaching turnover in the offseason.

[Xtina]

1 hour ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

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Fully agree that the sooner the better on the timing.  Why put yourself in a 2-5 hole (if we lost to Buffalo and Pittsburgh) before taking any action?  Personally, I couldn't believe we entrusted this team to Saleh from the start of the year (especially when a guy like Mike Vrabel was out there).  After the whole "nothing part of football" comment, my level of disgust with that (complete and utter) f

Exactly. If Woody had let that shocking  nothing part of football comment pass, he would have been branded as even a worse do nothing push over than he already is. No matter what the consequences from letting Saleh go, it had to be done. Yes he should not have waited and acted at the beginning of the season but Saleh forced his hand. He probably did want to be fired. 

I was the last one on the fire saleh bandwagon, except for maybe Woody, but that comment was inexcusable. And what's the difference? Limp into a 8-9 or 7-10 season, or get the same record or a little better maybe, with some resolve. 

[slats]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Im not a big fan of Woody, but it doesn’t take much savvy to know that if Saleh was disgruntled he 1.) wasn’t going to apply himself to his job, and 2.) was going to cultivate a losing culture.

To me, everything points to him effectively quiet quitting or self-sabotaging, consciously or not, his heart wasn’t in it.

I imagine, like most fans, Saleh probably couldn’t believe that the offense was just as bad with Rodgers as it’d been with Zach. He knew the offense was a problem, and tried to add Arthur Smith as a senior offensive assistant over Hackett. He was undermined by Woody, who let him dangle as a lame duck. Who’s taking a job on this perennial loser with no job security beyond this season? Turns out: no one. So now, with the offense being the problem, we fire the defensive head coach who’s unit is #5 so far in points allowed this season, promote the defensive coordinator, and… how exactly does this do anything to fix the problem? 
 
Saleh was allegedly handing the playcalling to Downing. Is that going to be Ulbrich’s move, too? If so, what was the point of firing a guy just to have his replacement try the exact same thing? 
 
I understand Saleh’s unpopularity, but since he’s been here he built the defense into a championship caliber unit, and kept the team together despite the production discrepancies between the defense and offense (the opposite of the late Rex years). I don’t really see this evidence of quiet quitting or not giving his all to the job. The team played hard for him right up until the moment he was fired. This organization is a failure factory, and it starts at the top with its incompetent owner. 

[DonCorleone]

15 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

"Idk, does anyone think Rodgers missing throws, Hackett’s ineptitude or an underperforming offensive line is really on Saleh? "

Yes!

Rodgers could have used the pre season. 

He hired Hackett and at the very least, he should have learned from last season. QB's were NOT the only issue.

The OL is either badly coached or is not being held accountable. Who does that rest on?

[peebag]

doesn't matter.

2025 will be a house cleaning/rebuilding year.

[Warfish]

16 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Which if the above statements best represents your reaction to Saleh being fired and Ulbrich being named interim head coach?

I think the poll is missing a vital question tbqh, "How do you feel about Hackett being retained and remaining the play-caller/Offensive Coordinator".

[The Crusher]

I wanted Bobby gone simply  because he was over it and it was over him. Well outside his wheelhouse, he needs a DC job on a winning  team so he can cheer and have no fear. 
 

Love Coach Albright's beard game. It’s 100% wait and see on him as a HC.  
 

 

[Warfish]

26 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

All of the evidence points to the players becoming vocal about the type of leadership being demonstrated.

The same players who have consistently underperformed (especially on offense) and were the sloppiest, most penalty-ridden team in the NFL?

Truly shocking then, that they'd go full NBA players-run-the-team, especially with a certain Mr. Rodgers leading the player contingent......

[rangerous]

4 minutes ago, slats said:

I imagine, like most fans, Saleh probably couldn’t believe that the offense was just as bad with Rodgers as it’d been with Zach. He knew the offense was a problem, and tried to add Arthur Smith as a senior offensive assistant over Hackett. He was undermined by Woody, who let him dangle as a lame duck. Who’s taking a job on this perennial loser with no job security beyond this season? Turns out: no one. So now, with the offense being the problem, we fire the defensive head coach who’s unit is #5 so far in points allowed this season, promote the defensive coordinator, and… how exactly does this do anything to fix the problem? 
 
Saleh was allegedly handing the playcalling to Downing. Is that going to be Ulbrich’s move, too? If so, what was the point of firing a guy just to have his replacement try the exact same thing? 
 
I understand Saleh’s unpopularity, but since he’s been here he built the defense into a championship caliber unit, and kept the team together despite the production discrepancies between the defense and offense (the opposite of the late Rex years). I don’t really see this evidence of quiet quitting or not giving his all to the job. The team played hard for him right up until the moment he was fired. This organization is a failure factory, and it starts at the top with its incompetent owner. 

I don’t get this notion that saleh was somehow a defensive magician.  He brought a variation on cover two that when got from Pete Carroll.  All that was needed was to get players that fit that system.  More speed and more youth.  But you have to wonder why, if he’s such a defense guru, he didn’t blitz more in the broncos game?  Instead he played rope-a-dope and got beat for his trouble. As for the offense, you put it on Hackett o carter but saleh hired them and could have fired them.  But saleh didn’t do either and this the main reason why he got launched.

 At this point we don’t know what Ulbrich brings.  He’s done a good job with the defense ( even if they didn’t blitz in the broncos game) and he may have some very different ideas as to how the offense should play.  Maybe he will have downing call plays over Hackett.  Or maybe Hackett was so intimidated by saleh that he couldn’t function well and tried to please the coach instead of playing to win.  We’ll see what the next few games bring.  In any case there needed to be a shake up.

[slimjasi]

16 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

Disagree with Saleh firing. I understand it, I’m not gonna complain or criticize much - the results haven’t been there, so I get it. 

I just think this org has terrible decision making - if you wanted this done - it should’ve been in the offseason. 5 games in? Idk, does anyone think Rodgers missing throws, Hackett’s ineptitude or an underperforming offensive line is really on Saleh? 

But whatever, we should hire an offensive coach anyway, so F it. 

For the interim, I love Ulbrich. He cool. 

This right here 

although I might have considered giving the job to Middleton

[Asymmetrical]

1 hour ago, OtherwiseHappyinLife said:

Let’s give the guy a chance, no?  I mean he’s been in the job for less than a day :).

He’s already told us no changes in titles but that responsibilities will be looked at.  Is that not evidence?

Of course Rodgers will have input.  Why wouldn’t he?

Logic tells me a guy like Ulbrich — someone who would be a HC candidate next cycle — wouldn’t take the job if he didn’t have authority.  He’s a former player, and ultra competitive.  Doesn’t look or sound like the used car salesman politician that Saleh was.

I’m a betting man and my bet is there will be changes.  

This isn't a knock on Ulbrich. He's been a good DC and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets head coaching interviews. I don't have much of an opinion on how he looks or acts in front of a camera. I don't think him NOT turning down an interim position is proof positive that the Jets will make rational decisions instead of letting Rodgers do whatever he wants with the offense. 

it's having observed the team cater to Rodgers' whims the past 2 years (Lazard, Cook, Cobb, Hackett). Coaches say stuff in pressers all the time. If you wanna bet on this team all of a sudden operating in a completely different manner because there is a new figurehead, you're certainly allowed to do whatever you want with your money. 

 

fwiw I hope I'm wrong. I'm tired of this team sucking and being as embarrassing as possible while doing it. 

[ARodJetsFan]

16 hours ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Which if the above statements best represents your reaction to Saleh being fired and Ulbrich being named interim head coach?

Strongly agree on both fronts.

At the end of the day, the Head Coach has full control over his coaching staff.

The owner & GM do not pick a head coach's coaching staff.

If there is any facet of that coaching staff that's inept and not performing, it's the Head Coaches job to address it and Saleh was not doing that.

Not to mention that Saleh himself, left A LOT to be desired, as a head coach - period.

Will it fix all of our Woes, time will tell but it certainly won't make things any worse and I'd argue that you will see a motivated Jets team take the field on Monday night.

I think Ulbrich is a no nonsense kind of coach and he's not going to be worried about holding players accountable. If players screw up, I think he'll let them know about it and won't be worried about bruising any egos.

That's what this team has been sorely lacking IMHO.

[Warfish]

7 minutes ago, rangerous said:

As for the offense, you put it on Hackett o carter but saleh hired them and could have fired them.

I think you fundamentally lack understanding of the actual power-dynamic on the Jets right now.

No, lol, Saleh couldn't have fired Hackett.  Be serious.

[ARodJetsFan]

8 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I think you fundamentally lack understanding of the actual power-dynamic on the Jets right now.

No, lol, Saleh couldn't have fired Hackett.  Be serious.

The Head Coach has full authority & discretion over his coaching staff.

Hackett may stick around because of his ties to Rodgers (and I think that ends this coming off-season whether Rodgers plays another season or not) but there was no valid reason to allow Hackett to keep calling plays the way the Offense has been struggling and that falls squarely on Saleh.

[Warfish]

5 minutes ago, ARodJetsFan said:

The Head Coach has full authority & discretion over his coaching staff.

Hackett may stick around because of Rodgers but there was no valid reason to allow him to keep calling plays.

Please don't make me laugh.

There is no world where lame-duck Saleh was authorized to fire HOF'er Aaron Rodgers pet O-Co.

Yes, Saleh is responsible, but I guarantee you that he never had the authority that goes with it once Rodgers arrived.

This is Aaron Rodgers and Woody's team.  Not JD's.  And certainly not Saleh's (or Ulbrich's now).