Pragmatic Bus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 When Vernon Gholston was the starter the past 4 games, teams had a harder time running against us. Maybe he did make an impact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 When Vernon Gholston was the starter the past 4 games, teams had a harder time running against us. Maybe he did make an impact? Yes, but none of them set up in the wildcat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Or maybe the Wildcat just took us from behind and raped the entire 11 players on the defensive side of the ball, Kris Jenkins included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 VG did occupy 2 blockers at a time (even in this game). VG has issues getting off blocks, but he did occupier blockers for other players to make plays, and did tackle the ballcarrier near him. Pace, rusty, was a liability last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Gholston didn't start against NE. And his participation in all but the Texans game was not what I would call being a real starter. Texans 82% Patriots 18% Titans 56% Saints 39% Stats are not up for the Dolphins game yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 Gholston didn't start against NE. And his participation in all but the Texans game was not what I would call being a real starter. Texans 82% Patriots 18% Titans 56% Saints 39% Stats are not up for the Dolphins game yet. Pats aren't exactly a running team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Gholston didn't start against NE. And his participation in all but the Texans game was not what I would call being a real starter. Texans 82% Patriots 18% Titans 56% Saints 39% Stats are not up for the Dolphins game yet. you need to get a life...you troll other teams stats just to get a rise? really sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 either that or miami is by far the best running team we've faced ... also we were an averaged rated run defense prior to miami game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 When Vernon Gholston was the starter the past 4 games, teams had a harder time running against us. Maybe he did make an impact? Vernon Gholston is horrible. We will quickly see how horrible he is upon Calvin Pace's return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari0k Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Vernon Gholston is horrible. We will quickly see how horrible he is upon Calvin Pace's return... You guys allowed more rushing yards with Pace than with Gholston on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Pace was awful, abosolutely awful Monday Night. I'm hoping it was rust and not the lack of roids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBacker Prime Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Pace was awful, abosolutely awful Monday Night. I'm hoping it was rust and not the lack of roids. That's what I was thinking, not practicing football for 4 weeks with the team had to have some impact. They better get him some HGH and monkey testosterone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 You guys allowed more rushing yards with Pace than with Gholston on the field. You werent here for the Gholston is the worst player in the NFL debates and just wait till Calvin Pace gets back or you'd get why I posted that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 You guys allowed more rushing yards with Pace than with Gholston on the field. Dude your signature is still friggin wrong Chiefs Browns Jets Think you can get it right now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mari0k Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Dude your signature is still friggin wrong Chiefs Browns Jets Think you can get it right now ? Browns were shut down, and started over as an expansion. Jets and chiefs are the only two who have been there since the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Funny thing, Pace had more tackles in one game and a couple QB pressures than VG had all season and you guys wanna call him out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 this is a joke right? And please stop with the Gholston eats up blockers argument. That's not what he's there for. At least Pace was in position to miss a few tackles unlike Vernon who is never anywhere near the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Ohhh please, Vernon blows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 When Vernon Gholston was the starter the past 4 games, teams had a harder time running against us. Maybe he did make an impact? Really, stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Funny thing, Pace had more tackles in one game and a couple QB pressures than VG had all season and you guys wanna call him out? Stupidity,...I know. Dude, hasnt played football since last year so he's rusty and I'm reading everything from him being awful to lack of roids. Let him get 2 sacks and 6 tackles and watch how they jump back on the "you know what" like they knew it all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Not that either one of these players is worth a ****, but I laugh at all the back peddlers in here claiming how all of us were going to see a HUGE difference in this defense with Pace in the game and how pathetic Vernon truly is...now all the excuses come piling in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandWFan Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Vernon is not a great pass rusher other than a bull rush, but he can and did set an edge when he played. His strength allows him to control the edge blocking and turn the play in or extend it out parallel to the LOS. This is something that we did not see in Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Funny thing, Pace had more tackles in one game and a couple QB pressures than VG had all season and you guys wanna call him out? Couple of pressures? Where'd you get that stat? I didn't see him near Henne all day. Did he pressure Ronnie Brown? I'm not so sure the TEAM had two pressures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Couple of pressures? Where'd you get that stat? I didn't see him near Henne all day. Did he pressure Ronnie Brown? I'm not so sure the TEAM had two pressures. IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME BACK! RUST IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME BACK! RUST IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU QUOTED MY POST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU QUOTED MY POST? Here you go. Couple of pressures? Where'd you get that stat? I didn't see him near Henne all day. Did he pressure Ronnie Brown? I'm not so sure the TEAM had two pressures. IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME BACK! RUST IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Calvin Pace is not the only reason why we played bad. Vernon was eating up gaps and playing selfless football so David Harris and Bart Scott can run freely to the ball. Without Vernon, Scott and Harris looked pretty average. I'm not saying Vernon is better than Pace but he had a bigger impact than people gave him credit for and that's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 When Vernon Gholston was the starter the past 4 games, teams had a harder time running against us. Maybe he did make an impact? Pace did seem to miss a few tackles. I chalk it up to 1st game rust. Hopefully this week is better. Regardless, Gholston still stinks right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 In all honesty I thought gholston was a major disappointment in his 4 game stretch. As bad as Pace was I kept wondering why they didn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Here you go. IT WAS HIS FIRST GAME BACK! RUST IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. So because it was his first game back we should award him pressures? I didn't see him near the QB. Did you? I didn't say he shouldn't have rust. I said he did not have prssures. Understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The Jets defense was gassed in that last game. they were absolutely exhausted during that last drive. (the one where idiot Ryan didn't use his time outs to a) let the defense rest a bit..and save some time for your offense) it was really humid in that **** hole land shark stadium that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Browns were shut down, and started over as an expansion. Jets and chiefs are the only two who have been there since the beginning. that's alot of research you did for a stat that's pretty meaningless. what's the difference really? the jets have won a superbowl.....yah it was a long time ago. but so was the last time the phins won one as well. you're trying too hard to find something to piss people off. all it does is make you look like an idiot. it personally doesn't matter to me if the jets won superbowl 3 or superbowl 10. all i know is that i haven't seen them win one. exactly how long ago they did win one doesn't really matter. i'm gonna go ahead and guess you haven't seen the phins win one either. moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 The Jets defense was gassed in that last game. they were absolutely exhausted during that last drive. (the one where idiot Ryan didn't use his time outs to a) let the defense rest a bit..and save some time for your offense) it was really humid in that **** hole land shark stadium that night. yea it's what I had been saying all week; that the weather was gonna be a factor. You go from 60 degrees in Jersey to an over 90 heat index at 11 O'clock at night and have to be on the field 7 minutes more than the home team it's gonna take it's toll. We'll see how the Dolphins fair (fare? which is it?) when they have to play in 40 degree temps in Novemeber. Remember; when it's 65 degrees down here we're all wearing our leather jackets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 So because it was his first game back we should award him pressures? I didn't see him near the QB. Did you? I didn't say he shouldn't have rust. I said he did not have prssures. Understand? Completely understand. You ALSO said that he didnt pressure Ronnie Brown, but he did. You may not have seen it, but I did and really...thats what counts. He did have pressure, just not as he normally does. He also missed a few tackles (two that could have been for a loss, which means pressure by the way) that normally, given the rust he would have made. Hope I showed that I understood. Almost forgot your initial question. No, we should not award him pressures, but we should atleast state what was, and not slightly exaggerate things given the lost that was really on Rex hands and not on Pace. If you dont like me quoting you....please let me know. I'll make sure not to take it into consideration the next time I quote you lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Completely understand. You ALSO said that he didnt pressure Ronnie Brown, but he did. You may not have seen it, but I did and really...thats what counts. He did have pressure, just not as he normally does. He also missed a few tackles (two that could have been for a loss, which means pressure by the way) that normally, given the rust he would have made. Hope I showed that I understood. Almost forgot your initial question. No, we should not award him pressures, but we should atleast state what was, and not slightly exaggerate things given the lost that was really on Rex hands and not on Pace. If you dont like me quoting you....please let me know. I'll make sure not to take it into consideration the next time I quote you lol. Actually, it showed you didn't. I was being facetious. As in, I didn't think he had any QB pressures and Ronnie Brown was playing QB in the wildcat. I didn't know that you could pressure a RB and it certainly isn't a kept statistic or what Kleckineau was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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