~ ~ the Curse of the jets’ 2nd round ~ ~

[kelly]

jets fans are famous for showing up to the opening night of the NFL Draft and showering their team with boos as soon as they make their first-round pick. But in recent years, it’s the pick made on the second night of the draft that really merits a chorus of jeers.

For nearly two decades, the Jets’ second-round selections have been a collection of unmitigated busts, inexplicable reaches and injury-prone deadbeats whose chief roles on the team were taking space on the bench. Though it’s too early to make any lasting conclusions about the team’s second-round pick in April’s draft, Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it’s fair to say the Jets’ streak of whiffing looks likely to continue. Heads were shaking when general manager Mike Maccagnan selected Hackenberg, who many considered a college-football disappointment.

Four months on, the Jets’ rookie is the first second-round quarterback since at least 2000 to not receive a single snap through his first two preseason games. Hackenberg already looks set to follow wide receiver Devin Smith (2015), tight end Jace Amaro (2014), quarterback Geno Smith (2013), wide receiver Stephen Hill (2012) and offensive lineman Vlad Ducasse (2010) into the graveyard of Jets’ second-rounders. Granted it’s hardly a slam dunk for NFL decision makers to land quality players on the draft’s second day. But the team’s record of just one hit in the last decade—Michigan linebacker David Harris in 2007—is so extraordinarily hopeless that it makes sustained success all but impossible.

Sometimes it seems the Jets have simply given up on the idea of cashing in with their second-round picks. How else to explain the decision to select a kicker (Mike Nugent) and a kickoff returner (Justin Miller) in the second round in the same year (in 2005)? Beside Harris, you have to go all the way back to Bill Parcells’s tenure as general manager in 1999 to find the last second-round pick who turned into a solid NFL player: guard Randy Thomas. picks Jets fans are famous for showing up to the opening night of the NFL Draft and showering their team with boos as soon as they make their first-round pick. But in recent years, it’s the pick made on the second night of the draft that really merits a chorus of jeers. For nearly two decades, the Jets’ second-round selections have been a collection of unmitigated busts, inexplicable reaches and injury-prone deadbeats whose chief roles on the team were taking space on the bench.

Though it’s too early to make any lasting conclusions about the team’s second-round pick in April’s draft, Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it’s fair to say the Jets’ streak of whiffing looks likely to continue. Heads were shaking when general manager Mike Maccagnan selected Hackenberg, who many considered a college-football disappointment. Four months on, the Jets’ rookie is the first second-round quarterback since at least 2000 to not receive a single snap through his first two preseason games. Hackenberg already looks set to follow wide receiver Devin Smith (2015), tight end Jace Amaro (2014), quarterback Geno Smith (2013), wide receiver Stephen Hill (2012) and offensive lineman Vlad Ducasse (2010) into the graveyard of Jets’ second-rounders.

Granted it’s hardly a slam dunk for NFL decision makers to land quality players on the draft’s second day. But the team’s record of just one hit in the last decade—Michigan linebacker David Harris in 2007—is so extraordinarily hopeless that it makes sustained success all but impossible. Sometimes it seems the Jets have simply given up on the idea of cashing in with their second-round picks. How else to explain the decision to select a kicker (Mike Nugent) and a kickoff returner (Justin Miller) in the second round in the same year (in 2005)? Beside Harris, you have to go all the way back to Bill Parcells’s tenure as general manager in 1999 to find the last second-round pick who turned into a solid NFL player: guard Randy Thomas.

It’s been nearly 40 years since the Jets really hit a home run in the second-round. In 1979, they picked sack-master Mark Gastineau, a three-time first-team All Pro. The 1970s were actually good to the Jets in this regard as wideout Wesley Walker (1977) and explosive tight end Richard Caster (1970) were also nabbed in round two. Cherry picking alternative draft picks isn’t exactly fair. But the list of superstars passed over by the Jets is enough to prompt another outbreak of boos. Among the optimal picks bypassed by the Jets are stars Allen Robinson (2014), Le’Veon Bell (2013), Alshon Jeffery (2012), Justin Tuck (2005) and Anquan Boldin (2003). This history of second-round busts raises questions about the team’s handling of Hackenberg.

Perhaps another organization could get away with keeping a second-round pick tethered to the bench during his rookie preseason. But Jets fans likely see it as confirmation that yet another possible difference-making draft selection has been wasted.

>    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-curse-of-the-jets-second-round-1471827745?tesla=y

[peebag]

So...no other team has whiffed in the draft except for the Jets? F*ckin' media...

[Joe Jets fan]

Who wrote this crap?

 

[Jetdawgg]

11 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

Who wrote this crap?

 

A jealous Giants fan

[Ken Schroy]

49 minutes ago, kelly said:

jets fans are famous for showing up to the opening night of the NFL Draft and showering their team with boos as soon as they make their first-round pick. But in recent years, it’s the pick made on the second night of the draft that really merits a chorus of jeers.

For nearly two decades, the Jets’ second-round selections have been a collection of unmitigated busts, inexplicable reaches and injury-prone deadbeats whose chief roles on the team were taking space on the bench. Though it’s too early to make any lasting conclusions about the team’s second-round pick in April’s draft, Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it’s fair to say the Jets’ streak of whiffing looks likely to continue. Heads were shaking when general manager Mike Maccagnan selected Hackenberg, who many considered a college-football disappointment.

Four months on, the Jets’ rookie is the first second-round quarterback since at least 2000 to not receive a single snap through his first two preseason games. Hackenberg already looks set to follow wide receiver Devin Smith (2015), tight end Jace Amaro (2014), quarterback Geno Smith (2013), wide receiver Stephen Hill (2012) and offensive lineman Vlad Ducasse (2010) into the graveyard of Jets’ second-rounders. Granted it’s hardly a slam dunk for NFL decision makers to land quality players on the draft’s second day. But the team’s record of just one hit in the last decade—Michigan linebacker David Harris in 2007—is so extraordinarily hopeless that it makes sustained success all but impossible.

Sometimes it seems the Jets have simply given up on the idea of cashing in with their second-round picks. How else to explain the decision to select a kicker (Mike Nugent) and a kickoff returner (Justin Miller) in the second round in the same year (in 2005)? Beside Harris, you have to go all the way back to Bill Parcells’s tenure as general manager in 1999 to find the last second-round pick who turned into a solid NFL player: guard Randy Thomas. picks Jets fans are famous for showing up to the opening night of the NFL Draft and showering their team with boos as soon as they make their first-round pick. But in recent years, it’s the pick made on the second night of the draft that really merits a chorus of jeers. For nearly two decades, the Jets’ second-round selections have been a collection of unmitigated busts, inexplicable reaches and injury-prone deadbeats whose chief roles on the team were taking space on the bench.

Though it’s too early to make any lasting conclusions about the team’s second-round pick in April’s draft, Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it’s fair to say the Jets’ streak of whiffing looks likely to continue. Heads were shaking when general manager Mike Maccagnan selected Hackenberg, who many considered a college-football disappointment. Four months on, the Jets’ rookie is the first second-round quarterback since at least 2000 to not receive a single snap through his first two preseason games. Hackenberg already looks set to follow wide receiver Devin Smith (2015), tight end Jace Amaro (2014), quarterback Geno Smith (2013), wide receiver Stephen Hill (2012) and offensive lineman Vlad Ducasse (2010) into the graveyard of Jets’ second-rounders.

Granted it’s hardly a slam dunk for NFL decision makers to land quality players on the draft’s second day. But the team’s record of just one hit in the last decade—Michigan linebacker David Harris in 2007—is so extraordinarily hopeless that it makes sustained success all but impossible. Sometimes it seems the Jets have simply given up on the idea of cashing in with their second-round picks. How else to explain the decision to select a kicker (Mike Nugent) and a kickoff returner (Justin Miller) in the second round in the same year (in 2005)? Beside Harris, you have to go all the way back to Bill Parcells’s tenure as general manager in 1999 to find the last second-round pick who turned into a solid NFL player: guard Randy Thomas.

It’s been nearly 40 years since the Jets really hit a home run in the second-round. In 1979, they picked sack-master Mark Gastineau, a three-time first-team All Pro. The 1970s were actually good to the Jets in this regard as wideout Wesley Walker (1977) and explosive tight end Richard Caster (1970) were also nabbed in round two. Cherry picking alternative draft picks isn’t exactly fair. But the list of superstars passed over by the Jets is enough to prompt another outbreak of boos. Among the optimal picks bypassed by the Jets are stars Allen Robinson (2014), Le’Veon Bell (2013), Alshon Jeffery (2012), Justin Tuck (2005) and Anquan Boldin (2003). This history of second-round busts raises questions about the team’s handling of Hackenberg.

Perhaps another organization could get away with keeping a second-round pick tethered to the bench during his rookie preseason. But Jets fans likely see it as confirmation that yet another possible difference-making draft selection has been wasted.

>    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-curse-of-the-jets-second-round-1471827745?tesla=y

So the Jets were the only team that "passed over" those 2nd round stars? Up yours.

[Gas2No99]

The Wall Street Journal isn't as renown for it's groundbreaking and analytical Sports reporting unless it's regarding acquisitions and franchise sales. 

 

We have had EXCELLENT 2nd rounds picks as mentioned in the article: Gastineau, Denis Byrd, Jim Sweeney, Randy Thomas, Hitman Harris, etc.

It's just that Jets fans and media want INSTANT gratification from EVERY pick. Doesn't work out that way in REAL LIFE. We are due to hit on another 2nd rounder soon - if it's not Devin Smith, then Hack will be the pleasant surprise. I have too much faith in MacCags to Royally screw up 2 consecutive 2nd round picks considering his Scouting background and all the other savvy moves he's performed to VASTLY improve the talent on this team in less than two calendar years. 

 

[Jetster]

F*ck these idiots! Hackenberg is sitting & learning because the Jets have a QB battle going on for the backup spot on this team. You don't learn everything in PRACTICE, so Macc, Bowles and Gailey are using the preseason to determine if Bryce Petty can make next years free agent Geno Smith expendable. Hack would only play this year if they lost everyone, and even with that happening the Jets would have to sign a veteran.

I love the idea of teaching Hack our playbook but also like the fact our coaches can work on getting rid of his bad habits & coach him up, while he gets to see & hear things from the sideline. 

Has anyone ever seen Geno in any kind of discussion with teammates? It's just the strangest thing. 

[Jetster]

But I will agree that our past 2nd picks were horrible! You know there's that old adage, PICK FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

Both Hill & Ducasse never showed enough in college to warrant such a high pick. I remember when we picked Ducasse, I was like UMASS? 2nd round! What are u f*cking kidding me? Then add to that the fact that we scouted him & no one NOTICED Victor Cruz? Yikes, it's no secret why we've sucked for so long at drafting.

Just imagine if Anderson, Peake, J.Marshall & Middleton make our 53! Even if 1 goes to the practice squad. That would mean in 1 year with Maccs scouts they pretty much made up for all of Tanny & Idziks whiffs. It would be pretty, pretty, pretty, good.

[RoadFan]

I cannot believe how many of you are dismissive of this piece.  The Jets atrocious history over the last 20 years or so in the 2nd round seems mathematically impropable.   A doesn't watch football wifey could have accidentally had more success.

[kelly]

Hack is 2 yrs away from helping us. i think he's a " keeper ".

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~ 

[thshadow]

My sense is the Jets *have* been terrible in the 2nd round.  Though the best way to compare 2nd round picks is not to look at "who could you have picked", but to look at another team's 2nd rounds.

Here are the Giants from 2010 - 2016:

2016: Sterling Shepard
2015: Landon Collins
2014: Weston Richburg
2013: Jonathan Hankins
2012: Rueben Randle
2011: Marvin Austin
2010: Linval Joseph
 

[rex-n-effect]

Have any teams really knocked it out second round? 

It seems the second round is often the place teams pick up players thought to be first round talent but for one reason or another slid and the second round pick is a guess that everybody was wrong about skipping over the pick in the first round. If true, one would expect most second round picks to be busts or at least middling talent.

[56mehl56]

The draft - even 1st rd picks are a total crapshoot. Every team has hits and misses.

I 'd contend what makes franchises more successful than others is not necessarily the scouting staff but the player development strategy a team employs.

[j4jets]

14 hours ago, peebag said:

So...no other team has whiffed in the draft except for the Jets? F*ckin' media...

I don't see an issue with someone pointing out we've sucked in Rd 2. We all know we have. 

[bealeb319]

5 hours ago, j4jets said:

I don't see an issue with someone pointing out we've sucked in Rd 2. We all know we have. 

I would like to see Devin Smith play a little bit and see if we can develop Hack but maybe its time we start trading our seconds for a 3rd and a 4th we seem to do better there.

[Jet Nut]

What kind or garbage is this when you call this years 2nd round pick a bust during his first camp? 

The WSJ should stay out of sports

[Big Blocker]

18 hours ago, rex-n-effect said:

Have any teams really knocked it out second round? 

It seems the second round is often the place teams pick up players thought to be first round talent but for one reason or another slid and the second round pick is a guess that everybody was wrong about skipping over the pick in the first round. If true, one would expect most second round picks to be busts or at least middling talent.

Interesting theory here.  It's as if a team's scouts see someone who they expected some other team to take that player before their pick comes up instead sees them go unpicked, falling to that team's second round slot, and they jump on it.  Maybe they should have instead said gee no one else took that player because we were wrong to think he'd go higher.  Like I said, interesting.

But it is clear the Jets have had a bad history with second round picks. I'd only add the problem is focusing too much on the second round.  They've had more than their fair share of busts in the first round, too, not to mention a lack of production from later rounds as well.

[peebag]

7 hours ago, j4jets said:

I don't see an issue with someone pointing out we've sucked in Rd 2. We all know we have. 

yea and other teams haven't?

[Matt39]

Really starting to think most scouts are morons and totally irrelevant at this point. Will be interested to see how the Browns new model shakes out. There's so much info out there now that gives you the athletic benchmarks needed to be successful at their respective positions that all you really need to do is make sure the players care about football and wont get arrested/suspended.

[Bleedin Green]

While the Jets have certainly gone a while without getting any talent out of the second, the reality outside of some sort of "curse" nonsense is that none of that means a damn thing related to the current Jets' staff, nor their recent or future picks.

I assure you that citing the failures of Terry Bradway won't really influence any potential future success of Maccagnan's picks.

[Augustiniak]

the last time a 2nd round pick panned out was david harris, from 2007.  

guys like victor hobson and lamont jordan had flashes but nothing substantial.  randy thomas, back in 1999, was the next one.

so basically, since 1989, the only truly good 2nd round picks have been dennis byrd, randy thomas and david harris.  maybe devin smith, amaro or hack can add to this impressive list.

[j4jets]

2 hours ago, peebag said:

yea and other teams haven't?

I don't follow other teams, but I know we haven't been hitting any jackpots there lately. 

[Ex-Rex]

Hot garbage. Looks like a cut and paste system of "writing" as you repeat yourself a time or two there. I usually like Kelly's posts but this one leaves me cold.

[ScarletKnight89]

That article is depressing. I know in recent years we’ve been brutal in the second round, but I never realized it dated back that far. Since David Harris our last quality second round pick is Randy Thomas in 1999. Jeez…

 

The Jets also like to sometimes take projects in the second round with the hope they can realize their potential. Second round busts, while they don’t have the stigma of a first round bust, are big. A second round pick should be a starting caliber player for your team, and capable of playing at a high level. The Jets strike out in the second round so often and it really does kill the chance of long term success. It means they have to be more aggressive in FA to help plug some of these holes that they should be filling in the draft.

[BigRy56]

It could be worse, we could have the curse of the Chargers first round... #Manning #Bosa

[De-Jet-Erate/Duane]

Blah Blah Blah, It's way to early to know if Hack is a bust or a keeper. I find it hard to believe Mac has found what looks like real gems in the later rounds and even undrafted kids but completely blew this pick. He might not play for another season but I'm ok with that after the way some of the other rookie Qb's got thrown into the mix long before they were ready.