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Former Jets QB Chad Pennington hopes Todd Bowles gets the chance to turn franchise around

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On 7/14/2017 at 10:06 AM, Beerfish said:

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Just sayin'

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On July 14, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Charlie Brown said:

Thank you

As soon as someone challenges the narrative of group think folks get bent out here. 

I mean no disrespect to any poster out here, but Chad Pennington probably knows more about NFL football than all the posters out here combined and that isn't an opinion that is probably a fact.

 

That doesn't make Chad automatically correct, but it does mean that his opinion is one that we should take seriously.

Spot on CB.

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5 hours ago, Larz said:

There were some things I liked about Pennington, but he is a big phony. Always saying the company line

Company line? It's just how intelligent players speak when addressing the media. Maybe Derek Jeter was a phony too then. And even if Chad was a phony....so what?  I'd rather hear players push the company line and act like a professional and be a phony than have some idiot player vocalizing his own stupidity to the media just to keep it 100 and effectively add to the circus atmosphere that our highly unprofessional beat writers look to perpetuate.

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19 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

I am so sick of that excuse for innefective defenses from our defensive HC's that we have had a string of for forever. You want to fix that problem of not having 3 elite CBs to make their schemes work? It's easy. Draft some goddamned edge rushers.  We cry that our schemes don't work and the HCs that run them don't have the corners to operate with. Guess what, there are almost no teams with 2 great corners, some don't even have one. Yet they somehow find a way to play defense and sack the opposing QBs. Get a consistent pass rush and talent at 3-4 DE and 3-4 OLB and don't worry about drafting safeties, Corners and middle line backers.  You can get by at all those positions with average players. You can't skimp on pass rushers.  Priority 1 should be an edge rush combo, then priority 2 is an interior pass rush, then 3 is cornerbacks.  That's all you need to focus your drafting on.  You can always use FA for ILBs, NTs and Safeties.  If a guy like Earl Thomas or some incredible MLB talent like a Keuchly drops to you in the 1st, sure fine, go nuts...but over time the plan should always be to prioritize the critical positions in the draft.  On offense focus on QB, OT and WR.  Everything else (RB, TE, OG, OC) can be league average and you will be fine. But we are the Jets and we seem to focus on getting the best players at non-essential positions.

Nice rant but the reality of the last two years is that in 2015 man coverage was sustainable and it gave the Jets the ability to wreak havoc on offenses. In 2016 the secondary was toast and couldn't cover a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That's when the D started to fall apart. They stop blitzing, moved Richardson to LB, and other dumb sh**

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21 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

Nice rant but the reality of the last two years is that in 2015 man coverage was sustainable and it gave the Jets the ability to wreak havoc on offenses. In 2016 the secondary was toast and couldn't cover a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That's when the D started to fall apart. They stop blitzing, moved Richardson to LB, and other dumb sh**

They quit. It was clear as day. Total lack of effort.

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3 minutes ago, Lil Woody said:

They quit. It was clear as day. Total lack of effort.

I would tend to agree with that as well but Revis and Skrine couldn't cover in man and the secondary looked like a band of misfits with so many blown coverages. The NFL is a passing league and say what you will but a team needs to have an exceptional secondary. When Revis had his Island you seldom saw a pass even go to his side of the field. That's making an impact on an opposing offense.

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10 minutes ago, MaxAF said:

I would tend to agree with that as well but Revis and Skrine couldn't cover in man and the secondary looked like a band of misfits with so many blown coverages. The NFL is a passing league and say what you will but a team needs to have an exceptional secondary. When Revis had his Island you seldom saw a pass even go to his side of the field. That's making an impact on an opposing offense.

That's true about Revis locking down his man, but even during the "Revis island" days it still didn't really stop the better passing attacks from killing us, it just made the opposing teams have to beat us without their top WR threat. Great coaches would have been able to take advantage of that.  But our team still got smoked often enough by the other teams WRs, slot guys, TEs and/or RBs. Remember how bad Lito Sheppard was opposite Revis.  Even when we had Revis Island, the predominant thinking we that had to keep drafting someone or hitting FA to get another great CB to play the #2 opposite him.  Then even when we fixed the #2 spot and got Cromartie and he was playing at the top of his game, then we just got Kyle Wilson-ed by the better teams out there. If Wilson somehow held up or we started deploying other guys like Ellis Lankster or whoever was hot for a stretch, we still lost those close games by RBs taking a pass between Pace and Harris and just destroying us on 3rd downs. We definitely had some great success under Rex with his blitzing schemes and his use of Revis, but it was very short lived and even during those 2 great years we were always just waiting for the other team to adjust to stop the blitzes, and find that mismatch to exploit and once they did, we were usually gutted on the field.  That's the rub on the past 10 years or so, we had a great CB but still always had a hole in our pass defense. And the real problem was almost always the lack of true pass rushing talent. So we watched the opposing QB get to his 3rd reads, and we blamed the issues on coverage.  So rather than closing the time the QB had to throw, we tried to "fix" the coverage issues by working backwards and identifying who got beat and then throwing money or draft picks at that problem, continuing to ignore the real issue.  I agree the NFL is a passing league and you need good CB play across the board. But I would say that a pass rush is more important to defending the passing game than CB play is. .

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11 hours ago, Lil Woody said:

Company line? It's just how intelligent players speak when addressing the media. Maybe Derek Jeter was a phony too then. And even if Chad was a phony....so what?  I'd rather hear players push the company line and act like a professional and be a phony than have some idiot player vocalizing his own stupidity to the media just to keep it 100 and effectively add to the circus atmosphere that our highly unprofessional beat writers look to perpetuate.

So... you dont want the truth?   You want the company line?  Got it.  

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4 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

So... you dont want the truth?   You want the company line?  Got it.  

LOL. Yes, I guess.  The truth? You want the truth? What is this geopolitics?  It's the NFL. I just want to root for a team that I like and that represents itself well and with class and competes hard every game and wins well.  I want to see the game I love be presented as a great sporting event between sportsmen.  I don't want to listen to a bunch of selfish entitled players complaining about their union deals and spouting off at the mouth about getting their money and the hardships they endure and how they are living the big baller lifestyle.  I simply want to be entertained by an entertainment property.  The players are generally unrelatable and sometimes entirely unlikable.  I want to watch my favorite sport played with integrity by guys who love the sport.  I don't need to know about their money issues, what kinds of cars they have, how many hot sluts they bang, or any of that stuff that isn't important to the game itself. 

Some people love to get immersed in their story, who they are, what personal battles they overcome, etc...I just don't care. I'm not interested in a players need to brand himself to get more marketable.  I don't care about that. I only really care about how they play the game. Some guys make it to the highest level in the sport without flash and grandstanding. That's preferable to me.  Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning are some of my favorite players in NFL history, I know next to nothing about their personal lives or what they do for fun in the offseason.  I have read everything I could about their approach to the game, and I followed their careers very closely.  I want to watch guys like that, who put everything into their jobs and reaped the rewards.  I don't give a rats ass if they gambled with Jeter and MJ on the weekends or if they were in the club until 3 am getting their knobs polished by some TMZ all star.  Simple contract for me as a fan - I want to root for you as a player - all I expect is that you work as hard as you can, play every down hard, compete and don't embarrass the franchise with their immaturity and stupidity.  Marvin Harrison might be a gang kingpin based on some of the crazy news reports I heard a while back, but hey, that guy had a great career and was a model citizen in the league when he was playing. He repped his team well and now that he's out of the league, nobody really cares if he's hiding guns in alleyways in Philly or whatever.

So maybe that makes me an old white guy or whatever, which I am.  I'm very happy with that and this is what I want to consume as a fan. If you want to call that the company line, fine. I don't watch the additional content at the end of Game of Thrones to hear some actors talking on how they had difficulty acting out one of the scenes outside with high winds and sun glare.  I don't give a rat's ass. Same is true for the NFL players.  I only care about the quality of the product. Just make a great show and show me some boobs and dragons or great football.

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22 hours ago, Larz said:

There were some things I liked about Pennington, but he is a big phony. Always saying the company line

How is he being phony?  What company line?  Who gave it to him and sent him out to tell their story on NFLN? 

Funny how it goes from his opinion, based on experience with Bowles, to being a phony shill for the Jets when we don't agree with his point of view. 

At least there aren't as many he should STFU posts as we usually get when a player talks

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4 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

So... you dont want the truth?   You want the company line?  Got it.  

And you know it's not the truth as he sees it just how?  You've already given some ridiculous reasons for disliking Chad earlier.  You take a lot of liberty with the truth, should be last one accusing someone of not being truthful

Still want to know how someone who has no affiliation with the Jets was given this company line and what his motivation is to pass it on to the world if he doesn't agree with it.  Please explain that one.  I know it fits the overall negative vibe but really? 

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from one loser to another .....

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On 7/15/2017 at 2:55 PM, Larz said:

There were some things I liked about Pennington, but he is a big phony. Always saying the company line

+1

It's nice that there's a national voice who doesn't reflexively mock the Jets and everything they do, but he said all this stuff about Rex (and Sanchez, and Geno, and Fitzpatrick) too.

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19 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

+1

It's nice that there's a national voice who doesn't reflexively mock the Jets and everything they do, but he said all this stuff about Rex (and Sanchez, and Geno, and Fitzpatrick) too.

Don't forget Herm....... 😀

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Love Chad, just not his opinion on Bowles.

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59 minutes ago, southparkcpa said:

Don't forget Herm....... 😀

In the context of the Jets and the last 20 years or so...Herm wasnt that terrible in hindsight. He figured out a way to surround himself with pretty decent positional coaches(a lot of whom have moved up)...was able to hire Westhoff...and the team was always at the bottom in penalties committed. I dont get the sense that there's anyone on Bowles' staff in line for a promotion. 

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Bless your heart, Chad

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I'll always like Penny. If the guy was durable, I have no doubt he would have brought a SB here. Kid was just an icredible football mind and had all the tools to succeed before his injury. Yeah he didn't have a huge arm, but that was overblown. Once he tore the labrum though, it was over and he was never the same. His "weak" arm became a legitimately weak arm that could no longer make NFL throws.  But the guy had the perfect mental makeup and approach to the game. He was Peyton Manning-esque. I'd love for him to get out of the broadcasting game and into coaching. He'd likely be an incredible coach.  Jets should ask him every year if he'd like to join a staff as a quality control asst and groom him on a fast track to be a QB coach.
That said, I get that Bowles is a highly respected coach in NFL circles. I get that he's in a bad situation. I get all the reasons to keep him.  But I have 2 to get rid of him that trumps all the good. 
1) He lost the team.
2) He has no ability to effect the game from the sidelines. That's a bit of a catch all in saying he can't game plan, cant adjust, can't manage game situations or a clock properly, can't scheme an effective defense to fit the players abilities (stuck in his "system").
He's probably a great guy and an old school coaches coach type of guy.  But he's also toothless and ineffective. 2 things that you can not be taught or developed. You either command respect or you don't. You either are a guy that will do whatever it takes to find a way to make things work for you or you are the type of guys who is willing to just to sit back and become a spectator when you feel things are out of your control. 


So the only 'good' coach we have had was parcels ???


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14 hours ago, southparkcpa said:

Don't forget Herm....... 😀

...and Hackett.

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18 hours ago, dbatesman said:

+1

It's nice that there's a national voice who doesn't reflexively mock the Jets and everything they do, but he said all this stuff about Rex (and Sanchez, and Geno, and Fitzpatrick) too.

well Rex and Sanchez helped this team make 2 title game apps.  why is it Jet fans treat rex and Mark like Kotite and bubby Brister?

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19 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

well Rex and Sanchez helped this team make 2 title game apps.  why is it Jet fans treat rex and Mark like Kotite and bubby Brister?

you crack me up man

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29 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

you crack me up man

it's so weird how as a group of fans we judge players and coaches.

-Brett favre sabotages a season for us and he's beloved

-Ken O'Brien never wins a playoff game and he's beloved(Now, when he was playing he was hated)

-Mark Sanchez wins 4 PO games and is hated

-Chad Pennington wins a rare div title and is hated

-Rex wins 4 PO games and is hated

Herm takes us to PO 3 times and is hated.

 

it's odd.  I'm not saying build a statue for any of these guys but can we have some appreciation?

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2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

it's so weird how as a group of fans we judge players and coaches.

-Brett favre sabotages a season for us and he's beloved

-Ken O'Brien never wins a playoff game and he's beloved(Now, when he was playing he was hated)

-Mark Sanchez wins 4 PO games and is hated

-Chad Pennington wins a rare div title and is hated

-Rex wins 4 PO games and is hated

Herm takes us to PO 3 times and is hated.

 

it's odd.  I'm not saying build a statue for any of these guys but can we have some appreciation?

dude... please.... we have rehashed teh sanchize time and time again.  I am pretty much the closest ally you have in all of Jetdom when it comes to him and we arent even close to agreeing which says alot...

 

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17 minutes ago, whodeawhodat said:

dude... please.... we have rehashed teh sanchize time and time again.  I am pretty much the closest ally you have in all of Jetdom when it comes to him and we arent even close to agreeing which says alot...

 

so you wouldn't agree he deserves some appreciation?  what exactly do you disagree w/?  (this should be interesting to read your perception).

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Training camp can't come soon enough. It amazes me just how many players, ex-players, pundits, call them what you will, seem to like Bowles immensely...

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