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Mehta!: Behind the scenes when they drafted Hack (Spoiler alert--Source drops it in Macc's lap)

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2 minutes ago, Lupz27 said:

If they are incompetent then unfortunately yes, and they both are incompetent.

Disagree and I think both will survive this season even if we miss the playoffs again and go 8-8

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4 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

You mean an obvious existing user making a new troll account?

When I first joined people played the same game with me.  Every post people asked if I was some other poster.  it would take a very strange person to waste the time to create a secondary (fake) account simply to post absurd ramblings on a message board that already provides anonymity.  Seems redundant and pointless.

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1 hour ago, T0mShane said:

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/sports/football/jets/happened-day-jets-drafted-christian-hackenberg-article-1.3450117

“When the Texans traded up …” one team insider said. “I don’t want to say it spooked him, but it made him want to go ahead and take Hackenberg.”

So, he did.

It’s fair to wonder about the wisdom of a move that has yielded no tangible returns.

“He’s 22 years old,” Bowles said of Hackenberg. “He has time to grow.”

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24 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Darron Lee and Jamal Adams are going to be cornerstones of an elite NFL Defense the next 10-15 years

Adams we are not sure about Lee sitnks and is awful

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Just now, Beerfish said:

Adams we are not sure about Lee sitnks and is awful

People are already talking about Adams making the pro bowl as a rookie.  He has been a revelation.  Lee needs time I think he is developing

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Oh also, O'brein has to be the biggest face of a Qb talent elevator of all time.   Another in a lsit of guys that 'coached brady' and then became gurus.  He wanted hoyer he got him he wanted mallet he got him he got oswiler debate on whether he wanted him or not but the guy STUNK under obrien  the next guy obrien endorses i run the opposite direction 10 miles an hour.

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

People are already talking about Adams making the pro bowl as a rookie.  He has been a revelation.  Lee needs time I think he is developing

Wut? have you watched the ex games?  for every nice play he has made he has made at least one terrible rookie p;lay.

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So we are completely writing off Hack at this point?

What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games?

Eli looked as bad Hack has for quite a bit of time before he became OK.  People literally wondered if Peyton could ever read defenses his rookie year.

And quite a few people thought Hack was a strong prospect, and some thought he was undraftable.

So, there is no issue with the pick. Now if the entire Jets FO has decided that Hack is a lost cause, and not just Bowles, and our only solution was to just bring in McClown, they should both be fired today.

To be honest, the Jets FO should never have agreed to bring in McClown for Bowles knowing what he is. We should have brought in 2 additional rookie QBs, like Sloter or Cooper Rush and had a real competition.

 

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So in a week Mehta has "broken" two draft stories? Not pulling the trigger for Kamara & jumping the gun for Hackenberg (whether 1 or 2 rounds too high in MM opinion). 

Both MM is reporting coming from team insiders. I take that as current employee(s) of the Jets.  

Interesting, if true.  If true, Mccagnan needs to do his due diligence and fire whomever it is.  If it's even true.  

Funny how he reports this NOW after yesterday's QB decision.  

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1 minute ago, Beerfish said:

Wut? have you watched the ex games?  for every nice play he has made he has made at least one terrible rookie p;lay.

All of the experts have said this guy is the next Brian Dawkins but better

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2 minutes ago, johnnysd said:

So we are completely writing off Hack at this point?

What if we draft Darnold and he looks clueless his first few games?

We are not drafting Darnold.  Either the Browns or Bears will be.  I think we are going 9-7 and possibly get a wildcard

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25 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Typical Jets fans showing impatience.  This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again.

 

 

The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era.  They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse.  Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint.  Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot.

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39 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.  Obviously QB is by far the most important position is it not?

I said the first part was the stupidest.  "Hack was good value in the 2nd."

That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable.

The 2nd part about QB being the most valuable is fine.  Stating the obvious... but correct.

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Just now, sirlancemehlot said:

The Pats won the bug game and actually improved in the offseason. Teams don't rebuild in the salary cap era.  They manage the money and improve incrementally, or they mismanage the money and become worse.  Keeping spending under control by paying your vets fairly and not breaking the bank on a single position while adding young talent via the draft and free agency...that's the new blueprint.  Bad drafting can be forgiven if the team is well managed. The draft is often a crap shoot.

The Pats just lost Edelman.  That was huge for them.  We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting.  We are closing the gap

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1 minute ago, RoadFan said:

I said the first part was the stupidest.  "Hack was good value in the 2nd."

That is absurd, most had him valued between a 4th and undraftable. I had him undraftable.

The 2nd part about QB being thr most valuable.  Stating the obvious... but correct.

Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft.  I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet

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1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is a potential franchise qb and arguably the best QB to come out of the 2016 draft.  I'm not sold on Prescott or Wentz yet

And.... you just topped your previous post with something even more ludicrous! 

Are you a member of the Hackenberg family?

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DOn La Greca making fantastic points and I think it speaks to once again, the difference between the Giants, who don't really give a sh*t about public image and the Jets who are scared to bits of public image.

 

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51 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hack was still a good value pick in round 2.  A possible franchise qb is always good value in round 2

What

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41 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Typical Jets fans showing impatience.  This is a rebuild we knew it would be another 3-4 years until we became good again.

No one is expecting Aaron Rodgers at this point, but Hackenberg has a long way to go to get to Aaron Brooks.

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2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

DOn La Greca making fantastic points and I think it speaks to once again, the difference between the Giants, who don't really give a sh*t about public image and the Jets who are scared to bits of public image.

 

That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. 

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Just now, Bugg said:

That is mostly true. Even with a split ownership the GM runs the show. And they aren't spending a minute worrying about tweets or the media or any of that nonsense. Not to say they're perfect. But also grasp a primo QB is a necessity not an afterthought. 

I am absolutely convinced that Hackenberg did not get playing time last year because the Jets were afraid of how it would look. 
Don mentioned Accorsi who threw Manning into the fire when the Giants were 5-4. Now Manning was a better product but they were not afraid of failure

The Jets are afraid of failure. And it's actually a self fulfilling prophesy.

 

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10 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The Pats just lost Edelman.  That was huge for them.  We had one of the all-time great drafts getting two ballhawk safeties in the first two rounds and we have possibly two franchise qb's on our roster plus a seasoned vet starting.  We are closing the gap

Jamal Adams has 5 interceptions in three seasons.  Marcus Maye had 5 in 4 seasons.  Define "Ballhawk?"

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58 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is basically a rookie.  I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason.  I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon.  

You're probably the only soul on earth (including Mike Macagnan, who will lose his job over this decision) that feels this way.

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1 hour ago, Philc1 said:

Hackenberg is basically a rookie.  I thought he showed a lot of good things in the preseason.  I'd still rather have him over Kizer, Watson, Mike Glennon.  

So if Hack doesn't play again this year, will he still be a rookie next year?  And the year after? and the year after?

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And they are afraid of failure because of the way the media and fans will react. And that has been THE problem with Woody Johnson and the Jets under him

They care more about publicity than winning. It's why they've never even considered this full on type of tanking before, even though it might have had benefits. Or this type of roster purge.

But now Woody's getting out of the way, going to London, so he wont really be in the crossfire, so he allows it to happen

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