Tom Gamble fired by Eagles (MERGED)

[Integrity28]

Agreed.  But am I taking crazy pills to suggest we should be only focusing on candidates who are doing well at their jobs rather than one who just got fired at a less-than-GM position?

 

It'd be like looking to hire a HC who just got fired as an Offensive Coordinator.

 

Well, 2 years ago when we did bring Gamble in, he had been doing well in his job. I don't believe anyone is saying "sign this beast" over him now, though it wouldn't surprise me with the derp fans we have.

[Jetsfan80]

Worthy to note that there were a few GM openings besides the jets that year and he didn't get those jobs either.  Neither did he get Miami or Tampa last year.   Can't blame Woody on this.

 

And the Chargers.  And the Chiefs.  All passed on him.  

[#27TheDominator]

I am pretty used to the different characters that come over with each JI refugee boat, but I had no idea they were running a Tom Gamble fan club over there.  The guy left the Niners to get a GM job.  There were about 10 available, he was linked to four and got none.  He ended up taking a (best case) lateral move to be with the Eagles.  The fake BP is running around claiming the only reason he did not get the Jets job was because he didn't want Rex, but Rex didn't coach the other teams.  

 

I don't give a **** what you guys believe and I'm not a rep whore, but IMO it is bad form to neg rep people for posting links in response to people saying they never heard something that EVERYBODY here heard last year.  

[Jetsfan80]

Well, 2 years ago when we did bring Gamble in, he had been doing well in his job. I don't believe anyone is saying "sign this beast" over him now, though it wouldn't surprise me with the derp fans we have.

 

I could understand if people wanted to give him a chance as, say, the # 2 or 3 guy in charge of personnel decisions.  But f*ckin GM?  Wtf.....

[Jetsfan80]

I am pretty used to the different characters that come over with each JI refugee boat, but I had no idea they were running a Tom Gamble fan club over there.  The guy left the Niners to get a GM job.  There were about 10 available, he was linked to four and got none.  He ended up taking a (best case) lateral move to be with the Eagles.  The fake BP is running around claiming the only reason he did not get the Jets job was because he didn't want Rex, but Rex didn't coach the other teams.  

 

I don't give a **** what you guys believe and I'm not a rep whore, but IMO it is bad form to neg rep people for posting links in response to people saying they never heard something that EVERYBODY here heard last year.  

 

Thank you.

[Integrity28]

I am pretty used to the different characters that come over with each JI refugee boat, but I had no idea they were running a Tom Gamble fan club over there.  The guy left the Niners to get a GM job.  There were about 10 available, he was linked to four and got none.  He ended up taking a (best case) lateral move to be with the Eagles.  The fake BP is running around claiming the only reason he did not get the Jets job was because he didn't want Rex, but Rex didn't coach the other teams.  

 

I don't give a **** what you guys believe and I'm not a rep whore, but IMO it is bad form to neg rep people for posting links in response to people saying they never heard something that EVERYBODY here heard last year.  

 

The stuff that gets neg repped here is hilarious. The majority of JN is comprised of thin-skinned passive-aggressives. 

[#27TheDominator]

The stuff that gets neg repped here is hilarious. The majority of JN is comprised of thin-skinned passive-aggressives. 

 

This may be the funniest thing you have ever posted.

[docdhc]

Gamble getting fired was a power struggle between Chip Kelly and GM Howie Roseman according to the Philly writers.  Kelly brought Gamble to Philly after he was hired and this year in an interview basically called Roseman a good cap manager and Gamble a good football guy.  This really isn't about Gamble doing a poor job.

[56mehl56]

OK

Look at their draft last year , outside of Matthews it was crap - but no planes or billboards needed. As someone alluded to earlier in the thread wouldn't be surprised to see him end up at Michigan in some capacity.

[docdhc]

Here is the link: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20141230_Is_Chip_Kelly_getting_along_with_Howie_Roseman_.html

[afosomf]

Look at their draft last year , outside of Matthews it was crap - but no planes or billboards needed. As someone alluded to earlier in the thread wouldn't be surprised to see him end up at Michigan in some capacity.

U do know Roseman is GM right?

[SickJetFan]

have you check out their draft - might be worse than ours

[56mehl56]

U do know Roseman is GM right?

Yep , but as VP of player personnel he is still involved in the draft process.

[Integrity28]

This may be the funniest thing you have ever posted.

 

No, "Just in Fudge" takes teh cake. 

[afosomf]

Yep , but as VP of player personnel he is still involved in the draft process.

He is involved for sure... For all we know he could have recommended a different player and was Overuled by Howie. Cant sh*t on second in command (he was prob 3rd in command chain, sure Chip had input as well)

[jack48]

Hire him before 2014 is over.Woody

now you do not have to interview him for a GM job.  you can get him in a lesser capacity.  And hire another talented guy to GM

[UnitedWhofans]

Gamble getting fired was a power struggle between Chip Kelly and GM Howie Roseman according to the Philly writers.  Kelly brought Gamble to Philly after he was hired and this year in an interview basically called Roseman a good cap manager and Gamble a good football guy.  This really isn't about Gamble doing a poor job.

So why wasn't Roseman fired?

[Jetsfan80]

So why wasn't Roseman fired?

 

Poor ownership?  

 

Either way, this isn't exactly helping Gamble's case.  We just dealt with a "power struggle" situation with Woody-Idzik-Rex.  We should want no part in a guy who was involved in a power struggle at his last stop.

[56mehl56]

He is involved for sure... For all we know he could have recommended a different player and was Overuled by Howie. Cant sh*t on second in command (he was prob 3rd in command chain, sure Chip had input as well)

Just as Rex and Bradway had input on Idziks drafts , but somehow we crucified him but mke excuses for Gamble ???

[KRL]

Seems to me dysfunction follows Sanchez around wherever he goes

[afosomf]

Just as Rex and Bradway had input on Idziks drafts , but somehow we crucified him but mke excuses for Gamble ???

It is different cause Iddy was the man in charge, gamble was at best 3rd in charge

[docdhc]

So why wasn't Roseman fired?

This is the article that explains the relationship between Kelly, Roseman, and Gamble.  Looks like the owner sides with Roseman.

 

 

Howie Roseman "does an outstanding job" in managing the salary cap. Tom Gamble is a "heck of a football guy."

You don't need to read between the lines to know how Chip Kelly views the Eagles' top two personnel executives.

Roseman has spent the last decade - five years as general manager - working to establish his credentials as a "football guy" after not coming up the scouting ranks in the traditional manner and transitioning over from the business side of operations. And Kelly effectively put him back in that box when he was asked Monday about his involvement in player contracts.

"That's not my strength," Kelly said. "I understand it, but that's really what [Roseman] does an outstanding job of. I think since I've been here, one of the attractive things about this job, there are not cap issues. You don't look at it and go, 'Oh, my God. We're going to have to cut 12 players because we're going to be $40 million over the cap.'

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"He does an outstanding job of that. That's his training."

That's his training.

Never in two years has Kelly mentioned Roseman's bona fides as an evaluator of talent, even though the 39-year-old was chiefly responsible for the 2012 draft - one of the Eagles' best in recent memory.

Gamble, meanwhile, continues to be mentioned as a candidate for general manager openings. If Jim Harbaugh had taken the Raiders or Bears jobs instead of heading back to his alma mater at Michigan, there was wide speculation that he would nab the Eagles vice president of player personnel as his GM.

He could be up for other vacancies, but Gamble, the son of former Eagles GM Harry Gamble and a 25-year scouting veteran, is likely to stay put as Roseman's second-in-command.

"I think Tom does an outstanding job, and if he has the opportunity to do that, then I would support him in anything," Kelly said. "And, if I can give him any help in that situation, I would. But he's a heck of a football guy."

The Eagles hired Gamble away from the 49ers two years ago and less than a month after Kelly - who was instrumental in the process - was named head coach. Kelly has talked about their shared history, stretching back to when Gamble would scout the Northeast and Kelly was at New Hampshire.

Asked Monday about his working relationship with Roseman, Kelly offered a one-word answer:

"Good."

Roseman declined to answer questions after his final radio show of the season at Chickie's & Pete's in South Philadelphia.

Immediately after the season finale Sunday against the Giants, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie was asked about increased speculation that there was friction between Kelly and Roseman.

"I see two really valued executives - Chip and Howie," Lurie said. "Add [team president] Don Smolenski to that. These are three obsessed-to-being-good executives. They have different roles. They cross over at different points.

"But I think you know me - I like to surround myself with not 'yes men,' but strong, opinionated people that are really dedicated to making us really good. And that's what those three do."

Smolenski does not have a role in football operations, though. Kelly only has crossover with Roseman, and if they still have a normal coach-GM relationship, it should intersect countless times during an offseason that began a week earlier than last year.

Kelly said as much last year at this time, his tone a decidedly different one.

"I think Howie and his personnel department do a great job," Kelly said then. He added: "There's a great collaboration in terms of what we're bringing in here."

Lurie gave Roseman a resounding endorsement on Sunday and seemed genuinely surprised when questioned about his future as Eagles GM. Roseman's contract details are unknown, but he signed a four- or five-year extension after the 2011 season. Kelly has three years left on his five-year deal.

Whether there is any acrimony between the two or not, Lurie needs his coach and GM to have a functional partnership. The 49ers parted ways with Harbaugh partly because of his tumultuous relationship with GM Trent Baalke, even though they won nearly 70 percent of their games during a four-year run.

Baalke had final say in football matters. While Kelly has stated his domain over the in-season 53-man roster, it is unclear who ultimately wields the hammer when a decision needs to be made in free agency or the draft.

In October, there was a report that the Eagles had interest in Buccaneers receiver Vincent Jackson. Jeremy Maclin went to Kelly to ask how it affected him, and the coach told the receiver that decisions aren't made without his approval, according to two sources familiar with the conversation.

But there has to be collaboration in the offseason, even if Kelly and his coaching staff have more or as much involvement in player assessments.

"I'm in charge of the roster in terms of who our 53 are, so I have to weigh in on that," Kelly said Monday. "But I also know there are other factors, salary cap, money, and the numbers, and all those other things. But I have to tell them who I want and who I don't want."

Kelly wanted DeSean Jackson off the team last offseason and got what he wanted. Lurie said the coach spearheaded the move. And while Roseman said he was on board, he was the one left trying to trade a Pro Bowl player in his prime with a large contract and ultimately had to settle for releasing Jackson without getting anything in return except a $6 million salary-cap hit.

Kelly appeared to have as much influence over the other moves made this past offseason, particularly in the draft, when two of the seven selections were prospects who had played for him at Oregon. The overall class, including top-pick linebacker Marcus Smith, did not have a promising rookie year.

Whatever Kelly thinks of Roseman, the GM apparently isn't going anywhere. It's difficult to have two alpha dogs in any partnership, but Lurie needs his coach and GM to coexist in this most pivotal of offseasons.

[Dinamite]

The jets are interviewing someone from Philly. Mueller, I think. Possible that if he gets the job he hires gamble in a personnel role. Maybe he is not gm material but can be helpful in a staff.

[section314]

Wasn't the Eagle draft class horrible? 

[BurnleyJet]

Wasn't the Eagle draft class horrible?

Yup but I'd exchange ours for Jordan Matthews.

[Fishooked]

The stuff that gets neg repped here is hilarious. The majority of JN is comprised of thin-skinned passive-aggressives. 

 

 

Negged.  

[faba]

Eagles had conflict in front office and coaches - sounds familar

[SMC]

Eagles had conflict in front office and coaches - sounds familar

That happens a lot now over the last 20 with Jimmy-Jerry being the first publicized breakup.

Before then it seemed like even when there were clashes the FO/HC just sucked it up and worked together for better good of team.

[Bugg]

Eagles had conflict in front office and coaches - sounds familar

Basically someone in the front office had to take the hit from being the 1 or 2 NFC seed at the top of the stretch and then collapsing in December. Gamble is Kelly's guy in the front office, bye bye Tom Gamble. 

[Jetdawgg]

The D in Philly was worn out by season's end. 24 Fletcher is atrocious at CB. Worse than Aso was for Philly lol.

[Ken Schroy]

Report: Eagles had to escort Tom Gamble out of the building after firing

 

This certainly doesn't sound like an agreement to part ways.

According to Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News, the Eagles had to escort Tom Gamble out of the building on Tuesday evening after he was fired as Vice President of Player Personnel. The team escorting Gamble out of the building doesn't paint the picture of a pretty breakup, and seems to only reinforce the report by NJ Advance Media that the decision to let Gamble go was a power move by general manager Howie Roseman over head coach Chip Kelly. Gamble leaving the Eagles was announced by the team on Wednesday in a short statement by Roseman, with Kelly not mentioned. "We thank Tom for his service over the past two seasons and wish him and his family the best as they move forward," said Roseman. "I appreciate all Tom has done for our scouting department and our team." The firing of Gamble could end up being just the first change in the Eagles front office this season. According to Geoff Mosher of CSN Philly, there is a growing dislike for Roseman in the Eagles' scouting department.

Meaning there soon could be more scouts escorted out of the NovaCare Complex.

[Smashmouth]

Poor ownership?  

 

Either way, this isn't exactly helping Gamble's case.  We just dealt with a "power struggle" situation with Woody-Idzik-Rex.  We should want no part in a guy who was involved in a power struggle at his last stop.

power struggle ? Rex is an ass wipe with no balls , Idzik was and is an Idiot and Woody probably had to step in and take control of two morons who had no balls. At least Gamble seems like the type who tells it like it is. Tell me you get that feeling with rex and idzik

[Smashmouth]

Report: Eagles had to escort Tom Gamble out of the building after firing

 

This certainly doesn't sound like an agreement to part ways.

According to Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News, the Eagles had to escort Tom Gamble out of the building on Tuesday evening after he was fired as Vice President of Player Personnel. The team escorting Gamble out of the building doesn't paint the picture of a pretty breakup, and seems to only reinforce the report by NJ Advance Media that the decision to let Gamble go was a power move by general manager Howie Roseman over head coach Chip Kelly. Gamble leaving the Eagles was announced by the team on Wednesday in a short statement by Roseman, with Kelly not mentioned. "We thank Tom for his service over the past two seasons and wish him and his family the best as they move forward," said Roseman. "I appreciate all Tom has done for our scouting department and our team." The firing of Gamble could end up being just the first change in the Eagles front office this season. According to Geoff Mosher of CSN Philly, there is a growing dislike for Roseman in the Eagles' scouting department.

Meaning there soon could be more scouts escorted out of the NovaCare Complex.

Over chip Kelly ? whats this supposed to mean ? Will Chip be walking next ?

[BRONX DUDE]

punishment for bringing in suckchez

I wonder where the Sanchize winds up?

[j4jets]

He bombed? I don't remember hearing anything like that. 2 years ago he was our top choice, everyone had a boner for the guy, now he's a loser?

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Because everyone likes to play the 20/20 game. Everyone had a boner for Rex till 2011. And then in 2013. And then till first wk of 2014. Premature ejaculation I suppose.