Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 2014 in NE: Rex/Geno Without Revis, Cro, Skrine, Leonard Williams, Marshall, (pretty sure Decker hurt too) Lose by 2. 2015 in NE: Bowles/Fitz, lose by 7. Rex: 7-16 in 2014 and 2015 combined. Geno: Punched in the face by a teammate. Yeah, I'll take my chances with Bowles and Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Hopkins: 58-776, 5 Marshall: 41-578-4 Hopkins has played 1 more game and has 101 targets, Marshall has 60 targets. Houston has 327 attempts, NYJ 210. Hou is always trailing and HAS to throw. that skews #s This is why we don't trust stupid numbers like WR catch/target rates. You trust your gut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So you'd rather have Marshall than Hopkins moving forward? BM has been great, don't get me wrong, but Hopkins is rising up the ranks. And having that many targets and only 58 completions tells you how bad the quarterback play has been in Houston. Like I said. Fitz > Hoyer. the discussion is not about moving forward. Hoyer, Fitz- they are all the same. mediocre journeymen. Houston has a million issues. if you don't think they'd be bad w/ Fitz or that he would be a difference make down there I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 yeah teams have been doing that all season... Do you actually watch NFL games? LOL "number one corners" Hopkins is doubled on virtually every play Thanks for proving my point. Enjoy the rest of your day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 nyjunc: Making up which numbers are supposed to be used since 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So you'd rather have Marshall than Hopkins moving forward? BM has been great, don't get me wrong, but Hopkins is rising up the ranks. And having that many targets and only 58 completions tells you how bad the quarterback play has been in Houston. Like I said. Fitz > Hoyer. Hopkins is a top 5 WR right now, correct I would rather have him than Marshall right now. But the rest of your post is utter nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is why we don't trust stupid numbers like WR catch/target rates. You trust your gut. you think Hopkins in garbage time has been better than Marshall has been for us? Marshall has been the biggest difference in our O this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If we had the Texans' QB situation, people would be calling for Tom Savage to start right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 nyjunc: Making up which numbers are supposed to be used since 1970. Jetsfan80: not understanding football since 1970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 the discussion is not about moving forward. Hoyer, Fitz- they are all the same. mediocre journeymen. Houston has a million issues. if you don't think they'd be bad w/ Fitz or that he would be a difference make down there I don't know what to tell you. can't wait said he'd rather have Hoyer. That's what brought this on. I think Fitz is better than Mallett and Hoyer. That's all this line of discussion was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 can't wait said he'd rather have Hoyer. That's what brought this on. I think Fitz is better than Mallett and Hoyer. That's all this line of discussion was. I think they are close but I like what Fitz has brought to the team in terms of leadership. Fitz was brought here as a backup and he has exceeded expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Jetsfan80: not understanding football since 1970 If recognizing that Mark Sanchez was never a top 10 QB makes me one who doesn't understand football, then I'm ok with not understanding football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If recognizing that Mark Sanchez was never a top 10 QB makes me one who doesn't understand football, then I'm ok with not understanding football. cool. please post some more blind stats. I am sure you are loving the greatness of Philip Rivers lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 not a soapbox, it is the internet. Opinions are allowed here. Sorry it offends you that i dont think thousands of former and current officials and executives have successfully covered up favoritism for the patriots over the last 15 years. What can i say man, it dont hold up under cross examination. Somebody wouldve blown the whistle to cash in on their fifteen minutes. lol Despite your repeated attempt to rephrase what I said yet again, I am still talking about this one game and this one game only . To again reply that it doesn't happen in every game over the last 15 years is a straw man argument. In this one game I've challenged you to show me and others wrong, and you have decided to cop out by changing the subject again from complaints about this game to a reply about all games for 15 years. Do you think the game was called evenly and that we got away with just as many penalties as New England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 okay so tell me how he hasn't been playing much better than Fitzpatrick this year In the game yesterday I'm looking at the ticker When Houston was getting KILLED early he was something like 5-21 with a pic. He hoarded some stats in garbage time. He is 1-4 in games he has had an appreciable amount of playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This thread needs some Ape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 are you saying rex is better than bowles? Nope. Just stating some facts. Which are pretty damning. Tons of variables but if Rex/Geno had Marshal, Decker, Revis, Cro, Skrine and Leo last season, decent chance things turn out much better last season. So if Bowles is better than Rex, gotta look at Fitz vs Geno. I've been saying that every game. Not just after losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This thread is a complete waste of time. Fitz is what Fitz is, which is good enough to win when things go well. It wasn't his fault Brandon Marshall dropped the TD and it wasn't his fault the Jets let the Pats convert on a 3rd and 17 and numerous other big 3rd downs. Can Fitz carry a bad team to the playoffs Of course not. Can Fitz carry a great defense and guys like Marshall/Decker/Ivory to the playoffs? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Nope. Just stating some facts. Which are pretty damning. Tons of variables but if Rex/Geno had Marshal, Decker, Revis, Cro, Skrine and Leo last season, decent chance things turn out much better last season. So if Bowles is better than Rex, gotta look at Fitz vs Geno. I've been saying that every game. Not just after losses. Rex and Geno went 4-12 together last year. Bowles and Fitz are 4-2. It's safe to say both are upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Nope. Just stating some facts. Which are pretty damning. Tons of variables but if Rex/Geno had Marshal, Decker, Revis, Cro, Skrine and Leo last season, decent chance things turn out much better last season. So if Bowles is better than Rex, gotta look at Fitz vs Geno. I've been saying that every game. Not just after losses. Rex took us to 2 AFC Championship games so of course if he had more talent last year he would have done better. That is how the NFL works. You aren't breaking any ground here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Rex: 7-16 in 2014 and 2015 combined. Geno: Punched in the face by a teammate. Yeah, I'll take my chances with Bowles and Fitz. That's the safe choice most agree with. Not me though. I'd prefer Bowles/Geno with Fitz ready to backup if it doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Rex took us to 2 AFC Championship games so of course if he had more talent last year he would have done better. That is how the NFL works. You aren't breaking any ground here. Not trying to break ground. Just continuing to argue for starting Geno. If Bowles better than Rex, with a MUCH better team this year, I think that points to the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Rex and Geno went 4-12 together last year. Bowles and Fitz are 4-2. It's safe to say both are upgrades. If the supporting cast were the same sure. But far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Nope. Just stating some facts. Which are pretty damning. Tons of variables but if Rex/Geno had Marshal, Decker, Revis, Cro, Skrine and Leo last season, decent chance things turn out much better last season. So if Bowles is better than Rex, gotta look at Fitz vs Geno. I've been saying that every game. Not just after losses. bowles might be better than rex overall. it seems to be heading in that direction for sure. but rex at times gave the pats problems with a lot less roster. bowles was out coached yesterday, plain and simple. so why do we need to look at fitz vs. geno again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzogtheDefiler Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If the supporting cast were the same sure. But far from it. agreed. Bowles has Revis for crying out loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 bowles might be better than rex overall. it seems to be heading in that direction for sure. but rex at times gave the pats problems with a lot less roster. bowles was out coached yesterday, plain and simple. so why do we need to look at fitz vs. geno again? I never wanted to get rid of Rex, but that ship has sailed. Fitz vs Geno? I've never stopped looking at it. Fitz is decent. This team will get wins with him. Maybe make the playoffs. But remains to be seen we'll ever beat the top teams with him. Will Geno change that? I don't know, but worth a shot I think. For all the reasons discussed for months now. No need to rehash 'em every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 the jets are 5-2 so to change the QB now is not a great idea, but fitz needs to play better or geno should be an option. My advice is to unbunch your panties because fitz deserves criticism Ehhh, Jets are 4-2, not 5-2, Fitz is what he is, not going to get much better, but he was good enough to win yesterday. You think Geno is better than Fitz, ok, thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I never wanted to get rid of Rex, but that ship has sailed. Fitz vs Geno? I've never stopped looking at it. Fitz is decent. This team will get wins with him. Maybe make the playoffs. But remains to be seen we'll ever beat the top teams with him. Will Geno change that? I don't know, but worth a shot I think. For all the reasons discussed for months now. No need to rehash 'em every week. but yet, it gets re-hashed every week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ehhh, Jets are 4-2, not 5-2, Fitz is what he is, not going to get much better, but he was good enough to win yesterday. You think Geno is better than Fitz, ok, thanks for the clarification. I dont think many are saying Geno is better than Fitz I think many want to see what Geno could do with this offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That's the safe choice most agree with. Not me though. I'd prefer Bowles/Geno with Fitz ready to backup if it doesn't work. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I dont think many are saying Geno is better than Fitz I think many want to see what Geno could do with this offense. Well, I think that is kind of the same thing. Unless you think Geno is better, why would you want to see what Geno could do with the offense? I will say this, if Geno can get the refs to call a fair game, and get PI calls against the Pats when appropriate, maybe he should be in, because if those things happened the Jets would have won yesterday, maybe by 2 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 but yet, it gets re-hashed every week The beauty of forums. There's a 50% chance I'll have to post the reasons again in this thread. Hoping not to though as it always reverts to the same few making their normal arguments for either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The beauty of forums. That's not the beauty of forums. The idea is to present new information, not constantly say the same stuff over and over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 That's not the beauty of forums. The idea is to present new information, not constantly say the same stuff over and over again. *sarcasm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 If Geno played we we done at halftime. Go root for the Giants. Hey @Jetsfan80 Didnt I tell you that this comparison thread happens every week? If you notice, its 13 pages (at this moment) and I have yet to touch this topic purposely. Like I said, every single week there will be a thread like this and within it there will be some left field Geno bashing when no one knows how he would actually play in this system...which was why I was making my original Geno statements. Im hearing that the Jets would have been blown out by halftime if Geno was on the field. And I'll say it again for the record, I DID NOT contribute to this thread at all lol. I hope you see my point here 80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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