Can the Jets steal the Draft or...........

[jetsjets]

As we are so close to the draft now that we can already begin to taste the hot wings, I have a very positive feeling. So positive that I think the Jets can steal the Draft

*Trade Mo for the 11 pick. I'd hate to see one of our top guys leave but if we keep him we will lose him at the end of the season. His replacement would be here for the next five years

*stand firm at 20. We have too many holes to be trading up  I believe Lynch will be there. The biggest threat may be Rex trying to stick it to us and grabbing him at 19 but  with his obsession with DL we should be ok

*End the 2nd round curse. Man! Can we once in for all get a good player here? Spence has had some issues I know but if he falls to us in the 2nd we have to grab him.So with the Mo trade we look like this:

rd.1 Stanley OT or Conklin OT

Rd1 Lynch QB

rd2 Spence DE

A CB and MLB in rounds 3 and 4  and maybe a kicker with one of our two 7s

Rex stay away lol

 

 

 

 

                                                

 

[prime21]

If we really want Lynch at 20 then we should take him at 11 in this trade scenario and not take any chances with Rex or any other team that may be interested in moving up.  I would take my chances with Spence in the 2nd round but him and Richardson together could be a dumb and dumber scenario. 

[Stark]

3 minutes ago, prime21 said:

If we really want Lynch at 20 then we should take him at 11 in this trade scenario and not take any chances with Rex or any other team that may be interested in moving up.  I would take my chances with Spence in the 2nd round but him and Richardson together could be a dumb and dumber scenario. 

Yes. If that is the guy and you want him just take him at 11 so that you don't watch him get picked ahead of 20. Then take an OT or whatever.

[Kevin L]

For all the talk on this board about the need for the Jets to get more pressure on the QB, people sure are eager to just trade away our best pass rusher.

[jdeacon]

I would dance till next tuesday if the jets somehow got the 11th pick in the draft for mo straight up. 

Its more likely we get the 32nd pick for mo, top of the second round.

[Adoni Beast]

Unfortunately given MO's overvalue of himself and the pain in the ass negotiations that another would endure before trading for him, I think the highest value I can hope for is a high 2nd, with a 3rd or 4th in 2017. 

I like Lynch and hope we draft him but if MacBowles don't like him and he's there at 20 I'm actually hoping we can trade down with a team like Arizona or Denver add another 2nd, trade MO adding another 2nd, giving us 3 second rounders this year and a late first.

The value in this draft from mid first to low 2nd is of negligible difference.

[CrazyCarl40]

3 minutes ago, Kevin L said:

For all the talk on this board about the need for the Jets to get more pressure on the QB, people sure are eager to just trade away our best pass rusher.

Nobody wants to trade Lorenzo Mauldin.

[Kevin L]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Nobody wants to trade Lorenzo Mauldin.

I'm sure his 4 career sack total is striking fear in the hearts of our opponents as we speak.

[CrazyCarl40]

Just now, Kevin L said:

I'm sure his 4 career sack total is striking fear in the hearts of our opponents as we speak.

Mo had 3 in his first season. Mo had 12 this season and Mauldin had 4, sure but if you compare the snaps each got, it's pretty close. Also, Mauldin doesn't want an exorbitant amount of money. Also, Wilk is a solid pass rusher, but he doesn't create the havoc Mauldin can on the outside. It's two separate positions.

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, jetsjets said:

*Trade Mo for the 11 pick.

Please stop living in a fantasy world.  

[Kevin L]

1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Mo had 3 in his first season. Mo had 12 this season and Mauldin had 4, sure but if you compare the snaps each got, it's pretty close. Also, Mauldin doesn't want an exorbitant amount of money. Also, Wilk is a solid pass rusher, but he doesn't create the havoc Mauldin can on the outside. It's two separate positions.

Mauldin is a liability in coverage and seems like a one trick pony at this point. And that trick isn't even all that great. I'd love for him to take a huge step forwardin his development, but it's not set in stone that he can or will.

[jetsjets]

2 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Please stop living in a fantasy world.  

Bears have plenty of cap space and we have seen all types of craziness this off season. 

[CrazyCarl40]

1 minute ago, Kevin L said:

Mauldin is a liability in coverage and seems like a one trick pony at this point. And that trick isn't even all that great. I'd love for him to take a huge step forwardin his development, but it's not set in stone that he can or will.

Cool. I thought we were talking about rushing the passer?

[Nick Blitz]

I think Lynch falls past San Fran but not the Bills at #19, I would be over the moon moving up to #18 and taking him there pissing Rex off in the process.

[Kevin L]

We are. When Mauldin becomes a guy that teams have to game plan for, let me know.

3 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

Cool. I thought we were talking about rushing the passer?

 

[Rangers9]

Every time I hope they don't take a player they do. Like with Geno and Stephen Hill. When you saw Geno on draft day acting like a petulant little kid because he hadn't been taken earlier I knew I didn't want him. And Hill was a reach all of the way. Like Gholston a physical talent who couldn't play football. I just hope no reaches this year. I saw a discussion of the Ravens on one of the networks and they made it clear they don't go for reaches. And their drafts have been superior. 

[Jetster]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Please stop living in a fantasy world.  

I'm loving these definitive posts regarding what "will" happen & what "won't" happen Thursday night. A lot of egg faced Jets posters on here come Friday morning. You can't all be right,lol,

* I've always said I'd love to be in the film room to see who the Jets are scouting. What I love about this regime is how nothing gets out of Florham Park anymore. Cimini & Mehta are just speculators like the rest of us. When Rex was here the leaks were horrible, reminded me of the old Honeymooners episodes when Ralph would scream, "YOUR A BLABBERMOUTH!"

[Scoop24]

14 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Please stop living in a fantasy world.  

Facts Lmaoo 

[prime21]

I think Lynch falls past San Fran but not the Bills at #19, I would be over the moon moving up to #18 and taking him there pissing Rex off in the process.

Rex would saucy they were never considering him and happy the Jets have up something to jump in front him. Lol

[CrazyCarl40]

27 minutes ago, Nick Blitz said:

I think Lynch falls past San Fran but not the Bills at #19, I would be over the moon moving up to #18 and taking him there pissing Rex off in the process.

So you want to jump ahead of the Bills to take a QB you think that Rex would take in the first round? Really? You want to trade assets for a QB that Rex Ryan wants?

[shawn306]

1 hour ago, jetsjets said:

As we are so close to the draft now that we can already begin to taste the hot wings, I have a very positive feeling. So positive that I think the Jets can steal the Draft

*Trade Mo for the 11 pick. I'd hate to see one of our top guys leave but if we keep him we will lose him at the end of the season. His replacement would be here for the next five years

*stand firm at 20. We have too many holes to be trading up  I believe Lynch will be there. The biggest threat may be Rex trying to stick it to us and grabbing him at 19 but  with his obsession with DL we should be ok

*End the 2nd round curse. Man! Can we once in for all get a good player here? Spence has had some issues I know but if he falls to us in the 2nd we have to grab him.So with the Mo trade we look like this:

rd.1 Stanley OT or Conklin OT

Rd1 Lynch QB

rd2 Spence DE

A CB and MLB in rounds 3 and 4  and maybe a kicker with one of our two 7s

Rex stay away lol

 

 

 

 

                                                

 

The Jets are going to have to give up more than Mo to get the 11th pick in the draft especially with the kind of money that Mo wants.

I think they go some kind of O-Line with the 20th pick. I don't think Lynch drops that far.

[PepPep]

Ok. So this sounds great except #1 We are NOT getting the 11th pick in the draft for Mo. #2 Spence WILL NOT be there when the Jets pick in the 2nd round. 

In fact, I'm not even sure that the Jets will be able to get Lynch at 20. 

What you can expect for Mo is a high second rounder, a 4th and maybe a conditional pick next year. Maybe if you are dealing with a team with a lot of draft picks this year, you might be able to squeeze more out of the trade. 

This is why I propose a deal with the Titans- Jets trade Mo, their 20th and their 2nd rounder for the Titans 15th and their 2nd rounder. Titans move down to 20 and give up their 2nd round pick. The Jets move up to 15 and get to keep their 2nd rounder. If you think about it, that's great value for Mo. Its more than just getting a high second rounder. And the Titans might be willing to do that b/c they have so many draft picks this year.

I also want to say that people are making too big of a deal RE: Mo's contract demands. He is only 26 and one of the top D-linemen in the league coming off a great season. He is versatile and is not a liability against the run like a number of other pass rushing DEs. If you look at what other guys have been getting paid, with the cap going up next year, his demands are not that crazy. I think the main concern for teams will be COMPENSATION, rather than Mo's contract demands. Nobody wants to give up a lot of assets, knowing they will probably get a shot at Mo as a FA next year anyway. I think for the Titans, a team quickly on the rise with a lot of draft picks this year and cap room, it makes sense to secure Mo without having to outbid other teams for his services next year.     

So- if a deal like this goes down, here's my mock:

Rd. 1 (Titans): P.Lynch: Jets secure P.Lynch by moving up to 15.

Rd. 2 (Titans): Spriggs: Having a high second round pick, the Jets have an option to go with Spence or Spriggs- both are on the board. They go with Spriggs, banking on the possibility of a good pass rushing prospect still being there at THEIR selection in the 2nd round, which is likely. On the flip side, its almost guaranteed most top OTs will be off the board by then. 

Rd. 2 (Jets): Su'a Cravens: Jets miss out on some of the top pass rushing prospects and elect to go with the top player on THEIR board. Jack of all trades and great fit for Bowles defense, S/LB Su'a Cravens. 

Rd. 3: Carl Nassib: Defense again? Yep.The Jets get an elite Pass Rusher. The D-line is no longer as deep as it was without Wilk and the Jets have yet to address their need for a Pass Rusher. Nassib is a pass rush SPECIALIST. He has great work ethic (a walk on, he added weight and became the NCAA sack leader for Penn State) and a 6'6 frame that gives him potential to add weight and get stronger to become more of an every down DE as he develops. For now, he will make an immediate impact rushing the passer. Frankly, the Jets are lucky he is still on the board, but I see him sliding as teams have concerns with his athleticism translating to the NFL level. When you watch the tape though, its of no concern-IMO.

Rd. 4: Nick Vannett: I have been against the Jets taking a TE in this draft. The currently have 3 and an H-back in Enunwa. But as the draft approaches, I have been convinced otherwise. I think if they get a shot at a guy like Vannett in the 4th, they will pull the trigger as it is a good value pick and cutting Davis or Sudfeld to make room for him on the roster is very much feasible.

Rd. 7: Hackett: What do you do when you have 2 7th rounders. You go with a high risk/high reward player, or you take a K/P. The JEts have been addressing their special team woes all off season- but they have yet to add a punter. Hackett is one of the best. 

Rd. 7: Robinson: Jets take a high risk/high reward WR with a checkered past and off field troubles but immense talent. If he's there, why not? In fact, he was one of the guys they had a private workout with. So he is obviously on their radar.      

 

Cheers. sorry to hijack your thread. 

[PepPep]

34 minutes ago, Jetster said:

I'm loving these definitive posts regarding what "will" happen & what "won't" happen Thursday night. A lot of egg faced Jets posters on here come Friday morning. You can't all be right,lol,

* I've always said I'd love to be in the film room to see who the Jets are scouting. What I love about this regime is how nothing gets out of Florham Park anymore. Cimini & Mehta are just speculators like the rest of us. When Rex was here the leaks were horrible, reminded me of the old Honeymooners episodes when Ralph would scream, "YOUR A BLABBERMOUTH!"

You're right, Jets brass has been tight-lipped and its great to see. But some things you just can't hide. You can't hide who the Jets meet with and who they look at. It doesn't mean you know what their impression is of said player or if they have other players they like and don't feel like they HAVE to meet with, but fact is, based on need AND who they have looked at, its pretty obvious they are looking at QB, OT and Pass Rusher early in the draft. Whether or not that is one of the positions they address in the first round- I think even THEY don't know- but that IS who they are looking at. And it seems like they are looking at Safety/CB for the later rounds- based on who they have held private workouts with. 

Yes, any kind of 'definitive' posts are silly. But its fun to speculate. I can't claim much as far as predictions, but I was right about the Jets taking Pryor in the 1st and Amaro in the second in the '14 draft. That was fun times.       

[JetBlue]

6 hours ago, Kevin L said:

Mauldin is a liability in coverage and seems like a one trick pony at this point. And that trick isn't even all that great. I'd love for him to take a huge step forwardin his development, but it's not set in stone that he can or will.

None of that is true because he wasn't on the field enough for you to come to that conclusion.  He can't be any more of a liability than Pace so please stop already.  As far as his pass rushing ability again it was a small sample size and he looked pretty darn good to me.  He plays with a relentless motor and now has a full year under his belt.  I expect a big year from Mauldin.

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, JetBlue said:

None of that is true because he wasn't on the field enough for you to come to that conclusion.  He can't be any more of a liability than Pace so please stop already.  As far as his pass rushing ability again it was a small sample size and he looked pretty darn good to me.  He plays with a relentless motor and now has a full year under his belt.  I expect a big year from Mauldin.

LOL - he wasnt once asked to cover.  Literally, the definition of a situational pass rusher last year.  His trick wasnt that great yet he had the best snap to sack ratio in the NFL.

I'm very optimistic about Maudlin.  Not enough where I wouldnt be looking at a pass rusher but what homeboy said is just flat out wrong.

[JetBlue]

Just now, JiF said:

LOL - he wasnt once asked to cover.  Literally, the definition of a situational pass rusher last year.  His trick wasnt that great yet he had the best snap to sack ratio in the NFL.

I'm very optimistic about Maudlin.  Not enough where I wouldnt be looking at a pass rusher but what homeboy said is just flat out wrong.

You put Spence opposite him and we might have something... 

[JiFtheOracle]

1 minute ago, JetBlue said:

You put Spence opposite him and we might have something... 

I could dig it!

[Beerfish]

Dickens describes the Jets and the draft pretty well.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

[Kevin L]

33 minutes ago, JetBlue said:

None of that is true because he wasn't on the field enough for you to come to that conclusion.  He can't be any more of a liability than Pace so please stop already.  As far as his pass rushing ability again it was a small sample size and he looked pretty darn good to me.  He plays with a relentless motor and now has a full year under his belt.  I expect a big year from Mauldin.

He wasn't on the field that much because he's only a situational pass rusher. He's not an every down player because he's below average in coverage. As I said, I hope he has a huge year for us. But to call him the teams best pass rusher is insane.

[77DRAFT]

7 hours ago, PepPep said:

Ok. So this sounds great except #1 We are NOT getting the 11th pick in the draft for Mo. #2 Spence WILL NOT be there when the Jets pick in the 2nd round. 

In fact, I'm not even sure that the Jets will be able to get Lynch at 20. 

What you can expect for Mo is a high second rounder, a 4th and maybe a conditional pick next year. Maybe if you are dealing with a team with a lot of draft picks this year, you might be able to squeeze more out of the trade. 

This is why I propose a deal with the Titans- Jets trade Mo, their 20th and their 2nd rounder for the Titans 15th and their 2nd rounder. Titans move down to 20 and give up their 2nd round pick. The Jets move up to 15 and get to keep their 2nd rounder. If you think about it, that's great value for Mo. Its more than just getting a high second rounder. And the Titans might be willing to do that b/c they have so many draft picks this year.

I also want to say that people are making too big of a deal RE: Mo's contract demands. He is only 26 and one of the top D-linemen in the league coming off a great season. He is versatile and is not a liability against the run like a number of other pass rushing DEs. If you look at what other guys have been getting paid, with the cap going up next year, his demands are not that crazy. I think the main concern for teams will be COMPENSATION, rather than Mo's contract demands. Nobody wants to give up a lot of assets, knowing they will probably get a shot at Mo as a FA next year anyway. I think for the Titans, a team quickly on the rise with a lot of draft picks this year and cap room, it makes sense to secure Mo without having to outbid other teams for his services next year.     

So- if a deal like this goes down, here's my mock:

Rd. 1 (Titans): P.Lynch: Jets secure P.Lynch by moving up to 15.

Rd. 2 (Titans): Spriggs: Having a high second round pick, the Jets have an option to go with Spence or Spriggs- both are on the board. They go with Spriggs, banking on the possibility of a good pass rushing prospect still being there at THEIR selection in the 2nd round, which is likely. On the flip side, its almost guaranteed most top OTs will be off the board by then. 

Rd. 2 (Jets): Su'a Cravens: Jets miss out on some of the top pass rushing prospects and elect to go with the top player on THEIR board. Jack of all trades and great fit for Bowles defense, S/LB Su'a Cravens. 

Rd. 3: Carl Nassib: Defense again? Yep.The Jets get an elite Pass Rusher. The D-line is no longer as deep as it was without Wilk and the Jets have yet to address their need for a Pass Rusher. Nassib is a pass rush SPECIALIST. He has great work ethic (a walk on, he added weight and became the NCAA sack leader for Penn State) and a 6'6 frame that gives him potential to add weight and get stronger to become more of an every down DE as he develops. For now, he will make an immediate impact rushing the passer. Frankly, the Jets are lucky he is still on the board, but I see him sliding as teams have concerns with his athleticism translating to the NFL level. When you watch the tape though, its of no concern-IMO.

Rd. 4: Nick Vannett: I have been against the Jets taking a TE in this draft. The currently have 3 and an H-back in Enunwa. But as the draft approaches, I have been convinced otherwise. I think if they get a shot at a guy like Vannett in the 4th, they will pull the trigger as it is a good value pick and cutting Davis or Sudfeld to make room for him on the roster is very much feasible.

Rd. 7: Hackett: What do you do when you have 2 7th rounders. You go with a high risk/high reward player, or you take a K/P. The JEts have been addressing their special team woes all off season- but they have yet to add a punter. Hackett is one of the best. 

Rd. 7: Robinson: Jets take a high risk/high reward WR with a checkered past and off field troubles but immense talent. If he's there, why not? In fact, he was one of the guys they had a private workout with. So he is obviously on their radar.      

 

Cheers. sorry to hijack your thread. 

 

[Kevin L]

1 hour ago, JiF said:

LOL - he wasnt once asked to cover.  Literally, the definition of a situational pass rusher last year.  His trick wasnt that great yet he had the best snap to sack ratio in the NFL.

I'm very optimistic about Maudlin.  Not enough where I wouldnt be looking at a pass rusher but what homeboy said is just flat out wrong.

So is Marcus Williams our best CB due to his high INT to snap ratio?

[JetBlue]

27 minutes ago, Kevin L said:

He wasn't on the field that much because he's only a situational pass rusher. He's not an every down player because he's below average in coverage. As I said, I hope he has a huge year for us. But to call him the teams best pass rusher is insane.

I disagree. He wasn't on the field because Bowles preferred his veterans and Mauldin was a rookie who had missed action with an injury. Had less to do with his coverage ability.  Btw who said Mauldin was the teams best rusher?  You are making sh*t up as you go along, lol. 

[Embrace the Suck]

" For all the talk on this board about the need for the Jets to get more pressure on the QB, people sure are eager to just trade away our best pass rusher. "

LM was a rookie in part time duty. Get over Mo. He's as good as gone. As steady as he was he was on the field and upstanding as he was off the field he was never an explosive play maker. 

[The Crusher]

8 hours ago, jetsjets said:

As we are so close to the draft now that we can already begin to taste the hot wings, I have a very positive feeling. So positive that I think the Jets can steal the Draft

*Trade Mo for the 11 pick. I'd hate to see one of our top guys leave but if we keep him we will lose him at the end of the season. His replacement would be here for the next five years

*stand firm at 20. We have too many holes to be trading up  I believe Lynch will be there. The biggest threat may be Rex trying to stick it to us and grabbing him at 19 but  with his obsession with DL we should be ok

*End the 2nd round curse. Man! Can we once in for all get a good player here? Spence has had some issues I know but if he falls to us in the 2nd we have to grab him.So with the Mo trade we look like this:

rd.1 Stanley OT or Conklin OT

Rd1 Lynch QB

rd2 Spence DE

A CB and MLB in rounds 3 and 4  and maybe a kicker with one of our two 7s

Rex stay away lol

 

 

 

 

                                                

 

100% agreed. Didnt read past this point but loved it.

[Kevin L]

Just now, JetBlue said:

I disagree. He wasn't on the field because Bowles preferred his veterans and Mauldin was a rookie who had missed action with an injury. Had less to do with his coverage ability.  Btw who said Mauldin was the teams best rusher?  You are making sh*t up as you go along, lol. 

CrazyCarl said he was the best earlier in the thread.