Rangers9 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 If you want a Qb you have to pay for them and figure a way out how to do it. There is no way you don't budget for that position. Your starting Qb is more essential than a couple of backup players. Geno is obviously already on the books and you don't have to make adjustments if they start him. But it's not the smart way to do business. If they think that Geno is BAP at Qb then it is smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Rangers9 said: He didn't blow it up. That game was not personally just on him. There were many mistakes by players that could have meant the difference in winning and losing that game. And we were in it until the end. I'm tired of hearing people blame one player for that game. The team was flat after winning five in a row. Go watch the game again he did so blow it up good QBs win games like that one and don't throw 3 INTs in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Go watch the game again he did so blow it up good QBs win games like that one and don't throw 3 INTs in a row. Plenty of Qbs including great ones have thrown 3 picks including in key games and the playoffs. As for watching the game it was a 60 minute game. Things happened, all kinds of things. Like a botched punt that led to a Buff TD. Revis having a bad game, too. A missed short FG. Dropped passes. No excuses for Fitz but it was a team loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 After all the back and forth with the fans on this site....Fitzpatrick is and always was going to be a Jet and the starter. It's been fun to discuss but it doesn't change the facts - It's Fitz's job and always has been. Jets management handled this terribly. Yes, Fitz needs to the Jets but the Jets made it overwhelmingly clear that Fitz was their starter. Fitz has zero reason to sign any sooner than he wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 There is only one instance in which any person on this forum will actually change their mind on anything QB related and that would be if Geno was the starter, had a great year and lead the team to the playoffs. No other instance (Fitz good or bad, or Geno bad) will make any difference at all to most peoples opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 35 minutes ago, Rangers9 said: Plenty of Qbs including great ones have thrown 3 picks including in key games and the playoffs. As for watching the game it was a 60 minute game. Things happened, all kinds of things. Like a botched punt that led to a Buff TD. Revis having a bad game, too. A missed short FG. Dropped passes. No excuses for Fitz but it was a team loss. Sadly fans like you see it that way............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 11 hours ago, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said: 厕所 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Im a NY Jets fan I root for every player they sign and put on the field Clyde Gates and Ryan Fitzpatrick included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Why do we have to label people as supporters of certain players? I am a Jets fan. Whoever Mac and Bowles start at QB, that is who I support. If you aren't wearing green I hate you. It is that simple for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 54 minutes ago, Maxman said: Why do we have to label people as supporters of certain players? I am a Jets fan. Whoever Mac and Bowles start at QB, that is who I support. If you aren't wearing green I hate you. It is that simple for me. I think the point is - who you would prefer to start, that's what he means about supporters and it's very reasonable for even the most ardent fan to have an opinion on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Maxman said: Why do we have to label people as supporters of certain players? I am a Jets fan. Whoever Mac and Bowles start at QB, that is who I support. If you aren't wearing green I hate you. It is that simple for me. That stinks of Geno Lover talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 3 hours ago, j4jets said: This is far from the truth. As it stands, we are at zero cap space for 2017 and about 8 mil for 2016. We still have to sign a punter n Lee. We also need $3-4 mil for in season pickups, so we essentially have zero space left for 2016 as well. Any restructures would push $ back towards 2017 n beyond n we don't even have space to sign the rookies in 17 as right now. So Mo deal essentially killed it for Fitz. Then why is the deal still on the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Maxman said: Why do we have to label people as supporters of certain players? I am a Jets fan. Whoever Mac and Bowles start at QB, that is who I support. If you aren't wearing green I hate you. It is that simple for me. I think most of the people engaged in the debate are Jets fans. Sure, some of them are more concerned with posting Patriots highlights against Fitz and the Jets, but not everyone is doing that. I love the Jets but I think bringing Fitz in is a wise move and I'm happy to see that the FO agrees. As I've said many times this offseason, my ideal scenario is that Fitz returns to guarantee a competent veteran on the roster if needed, but one of the young guys outplays him and takes the job at some point during the season, relegating him to back-up/mentor. liking one player more than another doesn't mean disliking the team IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 28 minutes ago, AFJF said: I think most of the people engaged in the debate are Jets fans. Sure, some of them are more concerned with posting Patriots highlights against Fitz and the Jets, but not everyone is doing that. I love the Jets but I think bringing Fitz in is a wise move and I'm happy to see that the FO agrees. As I've said many times this offseason, my ideal scenario is that Fitz returns to guarantee a competent veteran on the roster if needed, but one of the young guys outplays him and takes the job at some point during the season, relegating him to back-up/mentor. liking one player more than another doesn't mean disliking the team IMO. You've also guaranteed that fitz comes back to win 10 games minimum next season, you even put money on it. Why would you expect a young QB to take over for fitz in the middle of the season if things are going so well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 9 minutes ago, cant wait said: You've also guaranteed that fitz comes back to win 10 games minimum next season, you even put money on it. Why would you expect a young QB to take over for fitz in the middle of the season if things are going so well? His 10 win projection was probably factoring in preseason and the Green n White scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Boomer is dead right on this.. Although Maybe a yr mac wasn't sure he wanted fitz even as a backup for 16 ha.. https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/boomer-esiason-jets-gm-botched-the-fitzpatrick-contract-negotiations/amp/# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/its-time-for-the-jets-to-tell-ryan-fitzpatrick-to-take-it-or-leave-it/amp/# It's time for the Jets to tell Ryan Fitzpatrick to take it or leave it by Jason La Canfora 3h ago • 8 min read The New York Jets avoided a potential major pitfall by ironing out a long-term contract with star defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkersonjust before Friday's deadline expired. But another massive showdown looms, and the tandem of coach Todd Bowles and general manager Mike Maccagnan still face the biggest challenge of their young tenures in the next week. Veterans report for training camp on July 27, and the simmering contract stalemate between the organization and presumptive starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick rages on, with no resolution in sight. While plenty of time remains for negotiation, and, in most situations of this magnitude, nothing really gets done until just before it has to, the lack of anything approximating progress between the veteran free agent and the Jets does not exactly conjure thoughts of a swift and clean culmination to this long and frustrating impasse. The Jets face some absolutely critical decisions, sooner rather than later. How Bowles and Maccagnan navigate the next 10 days could go a long way to defining how their regime is judged in the short term, if not the long term, as they prepare for their second season at the helm. So, with that in mind, here's a little advice: Don't let this quagmire drag into camp. Don't let it seep into August and possibly poison September and maybe October and November. Don't make your players show up, en masse, for the first time this summer and be faced with a litany of probing questions from a large and hungry media corps all surrounding the absence of the quarterback who played perhaps his best football ever for New York in 2015. At some point you have to turn the page, even at a position as vital as quarterback. At some point you've got to turn the entire focus to the players gathered at the team headquarters, not the team leader who is still staying away. What's it gonna be, Fitz? USATSI At some point, you have to draw a final line in the sand and tell Fitzpatrick and his agent, Jimmy Sexton, to take it or leave it. At some point, if this continues to drag on, you have to inform Fitzpatrick's camp that the long-standing offer on the table -- worth over $10M in 2016 and roughly $24M over the next three years with very limited guarantees beyond this season -- is no longer on the table. Eventually, you have to move on. Nothing lasts forever. And for me, that date would come a week from now. Next Monday. Take it or leave it. I'd call Sexton today, tell him I don't need much of his time, because there isn't much to discuss at this point, and let him know that this situation won't be bleeding into the preseason. Because the offer is only an offer until next Monday. Then I'm moving on, with or without Fitzpatrick. We won't be pining for what we don't have when 90 guys assemble in New Jersey for Bowles' first team-wide address of the training camp, because if Fitzpatrick isn't under contract a day before vets arrive, then he isn't going to be playing football for my team this season. This has gone on too long already. Enough is enough. Some might say it's spiting your nose to cut off your face -- particularly with Geno Smithand Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg as the only other quarterback options on the team right now. But let's not go overboard about Fitzpatrick, 33, who has posted the modest statistics of 60 percent completions, 6.7 yards per attempt, and 154 touchdowns and 116 picks in 113 career games and a quarterback rating of 80.8. He's a solid system quarterback when paired with Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey and he far surpassed any realistic expectations last season. But Gailey is a guy who has long done more with less and who has turned in splendid work transforming projects like Kordell Stewart. Gailey is just the type of maestro you would want working with the types of young quarterbacks the Jets have amassed, all of whom have their warts and need molding. And let's not pretend that anyone, even the most ardent Fitzpatrick guy, sees him as the long-term solution to the Jets' quarterback conundrum. And let's not pretend there is any real upside there. And let's not pretend that this isn't the quintessential journeyman who has already been discarded by a quarter of the league at one time or another, and who now might be on the verge of it happening again. And let's not pretend that there is any semblance of a market for Fitzpatrick outside of the Jets, because there hasn't been. One thing I am very certain of is the Jets won't compete against themselves for Fitzpatrick's services. They're not going to start bidding up a soft market now. And there is not another NFL team willing to pay Fitzpatrick anything close to starting money. In fact, through the entire process, it appears there hasn't been a team willing to put anything of note at all on the table for him, besides the Jets. It's not like Fitzpatrick is weighing this proposal against one or two others of a similar value. He's weighing it against cutting off his own nose to spite his face and continue to sit out, walking away from millions, while waiting for a team to suffer an injury to a quarterback and sign him. Problem is, even under that scenario, he's maybe going to fetch a one-year, $4M deal with incentives. And he's in all likelihood going to have to quickly learn a new offense and new huddle and new surroundings and do it all on the fly. And Gailey won't be there.Brandon Marshall won't be there. Eric Deckerwon't be there. Not to mention, the story of his career is that outside of that scenario he tends to turn the ball over at a troubling rate. And if he in fact reverts to that form and plays the kind of football he's played through much of his career, he won't be getting much money ever again. Now, if he takes the Jets deal, and it really does end up being a one-year deal, and he plays decent football but they want to move on with a kid quarterback in 2017, well, Fitzpatrick should be better positioned to get one last nice bite at the apple. In that case, other teams won't be staying away at least in part because everyone assumes he's going to sign with the Jets in the end, anyway, because, well, the Jets will have already released him. If Fitzpatrick plays well again in 2016, and then feels like $8M or so for 2017 is beneath him, he can always hold out and stay away next year and trigger a similar process all over again, but he would do so under that scenario with more leverage. As much as has been made about how desperate the Jets should be for Fitzpatrick, and rightfully so, the same applies to the quarterback. I'd argue, even more so on his part. Is there a means to bridge the gap via incentives and bonuses, particularly should Fitzpatrick manage to throw 30-plus touchdowns again in 2016? I'd hope that both sides were grounded enough to go that route. All hope shouldn't be lost. But there also needs to be real closure, and soon. Letting this carry into the exhibition games and hover over the first cuts and continue to overshadow anything being accomplished on the field or in the meeting rooms is counterproductive. Particularly in this media market and this city, and for a franchise where chaos and volatile behavior were so prominent under New York's prior regime, there needs to be a very real end to this saga, one way or the other, prior to the start of camp. Especially when stand-offs like this were the kind of thing Bowles and Maccagnan were trying to eradicate as they sought to change the warped culture of the Jets, all the more reason to give Fitzpatrick a take-it-or-leave-it ultimatum. Color me a skeptic that any of the Jets other quarterbacks are ready to come close to what Fitzpatrick did a year ago, but the odds of one truly breaking out only decrease if the specter of ongoing negotiations with the veteran continue into camp. Having that hanging over their shoulders doesn't empower them at all, and it continues to undermine them in a locker room that they already must try to win over. Smith in particular made strides through the offseason, I'm told, benefitting from the extra reps through Fitzpatrick's absence, but he's been fragile since the Jets curtailed his draft freefall and will need all the support possible if he is going to make real strides. You can't have a young quarterback room looking over its shoulder at a ghost who may or may not be coming back. You can't have veteran receivers pining for a veteran passer who may or may not be coming back. You can't be divvying up preseason reps with a veteran passer who may or may not be coming back in the back of your mind. Not when that veteran presence is Ryan Fitzpatrick, whom the Texans were willing to dump for any late-round pick just over a year ago. Let's not lose perspective on who we're talking about here. This isn't Tom Brady orDrew Brees. If Fitzpatrick wants to walk away from $12M odd in guarantees and stay home and potentially sit out the season, at this stage of his career, so be it. He certainly has that right. But the Jets also have every right to not let one contract situation trump everything else going on with them, and they have every right not to allow a festering negotiation obscure their entire training camp. He shouldn't be angry and frustrated with the Jets, it's the market that's been speaking -- one might say screaming -- and the Jets have had no team come close to pushing them since the moment Fitzpatrick hit the open market. In the end, both of these sides need each other, maybe even more than they know. In the end, common sense would tell us they kiss and make up sooner rather than later. Common sense doesn't always prevail in this league, however, and you can call it stubborn or shortsighted or whatever you like, but I'd give Fitzpatrick one more week to weigh his options, and then I'm moving on, with or without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The New York Jets avoided a potential major pitfall by ironing out a long-term contract with star defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkersonjust before Friday's deadline expired. But another massive showdown looms, and the tandem of coach Todd Bowles and general manager Mike Maccagnan still face the biggest challenge of their young tenures in the next week. Veterans report for training camp on July 27, and the simmering contract stalemate between the organization and presumptive starting quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick rages on, with no resolution in sight. While plenty of time remains for negotiation, and, in most situations of this magnitude, nothing really gets done until just before it has to, the lack of anything approximating progress between the veteran free agent and the Jets does not exactly conjure thoughts of a swift and clean culmination to this long and frustrating impasse. The Jets face some absolutely critical decisions, sooner rather than later. How Bowles and Maccagnan navigate the next 10 days could go a long way to defining how their regime is judged in the short term, if not the long term, as they prepare for their second season at the helm. So, with that in mind, here's a little advice: Don't let this quagmire drag into camp. Don't let it seep into August and possibly poison September and maybe October and November. Don't make your players show up, en masse, for the first time this summer and be faced with a litany of probing questions from a large and hungry media corps all surrounding the absence of the quarterback who played perhaps his best football ever for New York in 2015. At some point you have to turn the page, even at a position as vital as quarterback. At some point you've got to turn the entire focus to the players gathered at the team headquarters, not the team leader who is still staying away. What's it gonna be, Fitz? USATSI At some point, you have to draw a final line in the sand and tell Fitzpatrick and his agent, Jimmy Sexton, to take it or leave it. At some point, if this continues to drag on, you have to inform Fitzpatrick's camp that the long-standing offer on the table -- worth over $10M in 2016 and roughly $24M over the next three years with very limited guarantees beyond this season -- is no longer on the table. Eventually, you have to move on. Nothing lasts forever. And for me, that date would come a week from now. Next Monday. Take it or leave it. I'd call Sexton today, tell him I don't need much of his time, because there isn't much to discuss at this point, and let him know that this situation won't be bleeding into the preseason. Because the offer is only an offer until next Monday. Then I'm moving on, with or without Fitzpatrick. We won't be pining for what we don't have when 90 guys assemble in New Jersey for Bowles' first team-wide address of the training camp, because if Fitzpatrick isn't under contract a day before vets arrive, then he isn't going to be playing football for my team this season. This has gone on too long already. Enough is enough. Some might say it's spiting your nose to cut off your face -- particularly with Geno Smithand Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg as the only other quarterback options on the team right now. But let's not go overboard about Fitzpatrick, 33, who has posted the modest statistics of 60 percent completions, 6.7 yards per attempt, and 154 touchdowns and 116 picks in 113 career games and a quarterback rating of 80.8. He's a solid system quarterback when paired with Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey and he far surpassed any realistic expectations last season. But Gailey is a guy who has long done more with less and who has turned in splendid work transforming projects like Kordell Stewart. Gailey is just the type of maestro you would want working with the types of young quarterbacks the Jets have amassed, all of whom have their warts and need molding. And let's not pretend that anyone, even the most ardent Fitzpatrick guy, sees him as the long-term solution to the Jets' quarterback conundrum. And let's not pretend there is any real upside there. And let's not pretend that this isn't the quintessential journeyman who has already been discarded by a quarter of the league at one time or another, and who now might be on the verge of it happening again. And let's not pretend that there is any semblance of a market for Fitzpatrick outside of the Jets, because there hasn't been. One thing I am very certain of is the Jets won't compete against themselves for Fitzpatrick's services. They're not going to start bidding up a soft market now. And there is not another NFL team willing to pay Fitzpatrick anything close to starting money. In fact, through the entire process, it appears there hasn't been a team willing to put anything of note at all on the table for him, besides the Jets. It's not like Fitzpatrick is weighing this proposal against one or two others of a similar value. He's weighing it against cutting off his own nose to spite his face and continue to sit out, walking away from millions, while waiting for a team to suffer an injury to a quarterback and sign him. Problem is, even under that scenario, he's maybe going to fetch a one-year, $4M deal with incentives. And he's in all likelihood going to have to quickly learn a new offense and new huddle and new surroundings and do it all on the fly. And Gailey won't be there.Brandon Marshall won't be there. Eric Deckerwon't be there. Not to mention, the story of his career is that outside of that scenario he tends to turn the ball over at a troubling rate. And if he in fact reverts to that form and plays the kind of football he's played through much of his career, he won't be getting much money ever again. Now, if he takes the Jets deal, and it really does end up being a one-year deal, and he plays decent football but they want to move on with a kid quarterback in 2017, well, Fitzpatrick should be better positioned to get one last nice bite at the apple. In that case, other teams won't be staying away at least in part because everyone assumes he's going to sign with the Jets in the end, anyway, because, well, the Jets will have already released him. If Fitzpatrick plays well again in 2016, and then feels like $8M or so for 2017 is beneath him, he can always hold out and stay away next year and trigger a similar process all over again, but he would do so under that scenario with more leverage. As much as has been made about how desperate the Jets should be for Fitzpatrick, and rightfully so, the same applies to the quarterback. I'd argue, even more so on his part. Is there a means to bridge the gap via incentives and bonuses, particularly should Fitzpatrick manage to throw 30-plus touchdowns again in 2016? I'd hope that both sides were grounded enough to go that route. All hope shouldn't be lost. But there also needs to be real closure, and soon. Letting this carry into the exhibition games and hover over the first cuts and continue to overshadow anything being accomplished on the field or in the meeting rooms is counterproductive. Particularly in this media market and this city, and for a franchise where chaos and volatile behavior were so prominent under New York's prior regime, there needs to be a very real end to this saga, one way or the other, prior to the start of camp. Especially when stand-offs like this were the kind of thing Bowles and Maccagnan were trying to eradicate as they sought to change the warped culture of the Jets, all the more reason to give Fitzpatrick a take-it-or-leave-it ultimatum. Color me a skeptic that any of the Jets other quarterbacks are ready to come close to what Fitzpatrick did a year ago, but the odds of one truly breaking out only decrease if the specter of ongoing negotiations with the veteran continue into camp. Having that hanging over their shoulders doesn't empower them at all, and it continues to undermine them in a locker room that they already must try to win over. Smith in particular made strides through the offseason, I'm told, benefitting from the extra reps through Fitzpatrick's absence, but he's been fragile since the Jets curtailed his draft freefall and will need all the support possible if he is going to make real strides. You can't have a young quarterback room looking over its shoulder at a ghost who may or may not be coming back. You can't have veteran receivers pining for a veteran passer who may or may not be coming back. You can't be divvying up preseason reps with a veteran passer who may or may not be coming back in the back of your mind. Not when that veteran presence is Ryan Fitzpatrick, whom the Texans were willing to dump for any late-round pick just over a year ago. Let's not lose perspective on who we're talking about here. This isn't Tom Brady orDrew Brees. If Fitzpatrick wants to walk away from $12M odd in guarantees and stay home and potentially sit out the season, at this stage of his career, so be it. He certainly has that right. But the Jets also have every right to not let one contract situation trump everything else going on with them, and they have every right not to allow a festering negotiation obscure their entire training camp. He shouldn't be angry and frustrated with the Jets, it's the market that's been speaking -- one might say screaming -- and the Jets have had no team come close to pushing them since the moment Fitzpatrick hit the open market. In the end, both of these sides need each other, maybe even more than they know. In the end, common sense would tell us they kiss and make up sooner rather than later. Common sense doesn't always prevail in this league, however, and you can call it stubborn or shortsighted or whatever you like, but I'd give Fitzpatrick one more week to weigh his options, and then I'm moving on, with or without him.
Mainejet Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Fitzpatrick supporters OWN Geno supporters. Geno is a dingbat from hell. Fitzpatrick is 100% BETTER than sh*thead Geno will ever be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 1 minute ago, Mainejet said: Fitzpatrick supporters OWN Geno supporters. Geno is a dingbat from hell. Fitzpatrick is 100% BETTER than sh*thead Geno will ever be. I guess that was just a temporary ban. Sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: I guess that was just a temporary ban. Sucks. Don't like it? Well, I guess I'm happy to be back then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 can i just be the sarcastic prick that takes both sides ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljr Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 12 hours ago, MaxAF said: . If the coaching staff was hot for Fitz and they thought he was that vital to the team, let's face it, he would have been signed already. Why? the CS has stated they like Fitz as starter > Geno TC starts 7/27 what do they care if he signs the deal they want him to take on 3/27 or 5/27 or after breakfast coffee on 7/27? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well this turned to sh*t like every other QB discussion here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I'm behind whomever is behind center... But honestly, I don't know how you sign Fitz at this point in the same manner he would have been signed in March. Back then, it was an easy decision; he's the starter and we move forward. He would have had to face planted to lose his job - at least until November... Now? It's a mess. Huge microscope both on him and his pay check. Genos had time to repair his stock somewhat and ppl are beginning to wonder again what he can do with talent and coaching. It's a spider web for the coaching staff with him back on the team. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 On 7/18/2016 at 0:28 AM, 鲍勃不是我的名字 said: 厕所 Toilet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 IF, and this is a big IF, Fitzpatrick comes back, I don't think it will be until after a couple of pre-season games. They know what they have in him, but they don't know what this "new and improved" Smith looks like. They don't know what they have in Qvale, as in can he take Breno's job. Can ANYONE take Breno's job for that matter. Why not let it all play out for a bit, see if Geno looks the part anyway, and see what other deadwood can go before signing a contract the size of Fitzpatrick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 21 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: IF, and this is a big IF, Fitzpatrick comes back, I don't think it will be until after a couple of pre-season games. They know what they have in him, but they don't know what this "new and improved" Smith looks like. They don't know what they have in Qvale, as in can he take Breno's job. Can ANYONE take Breno's job for that matter. Why not let it all play out for a bit, see if Geno looks the part anyway, and see what other deadwood can go before signing a contract the size of Fitzpatrick? My guess is this does not get done until a week or two into pre-season. I think the Jets are hoping that Smith plays well, and even if he's mediocre they will try and get the media and the fans to think he's playing well enough. And of course they can somewhat bank on Smith really not being awful until the regular season games, which count. Perhaps they lose on this gambit, though, if Smith feels the pressure to perform in pre-season, but that's harder to say than the conclusion we can draw from his past-regular-season-games-that-count stinkers. Look for the Jets to make their media push and for FO homers here and elsewhere to criticize Fitz and his position. Where will it end? Maybe Fitz breaks. Maybe the Jets get smart and offer a compromise. Maybe the Jets start Smith all season and go 2-14. Those aer the most likely scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodeawhodat Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Big Blocker said: My guess is this does not get done until a week or two into pre-season. I think the Jets are hoping that Smith plays well, and even if he's mediocre they will try and get the media and the fans to think he's playing well enough. And of course they can somewhat bank on Smith really not being awful until the regular season games, which count. Perhaps they lose on this gambit, though, if Smith feels the pressure to perform in pre-season, but that's harder to say than the conclusion we can draw from his past-regular-season-games-that-count stinkers. Look for the Jets to make their media push and for FO homers here and elsewhere to criticize Fitz and his position. Where will it end? Maybe Fitz breaks. Maybe the Jets get smart and offer a compromise. Maybe the Jets start Smith all season and go 2-14. Those aer the most likely scenarios. I dont think there has been a rush to sign him. I think that the process has always been Mo, then Fitz. Mo was done with absolutely no outside interference, I say Fitz gets done the same way. my $0.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 For better or worse, Fitz will sign and will be the starter. other than an injury to Fitz there is no scenario in which that doesn't happen. Everything else is just noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 As someone who wants this to happen, agreeing with the two previous posts might seem like wishful thinking. I tend to agree, but it remains possible the Jets and Fitz do not come to a deal. But the bottom line is that breathless pronouncements like from LaCanforia yesterday that the Jets SIMPLY HAVE TO present Fitz with a deadline are not true and most likely will not happen, either. As a practical matter the Jets' season preparations will not be adversely affected at all unless and until about the second week of pre-season. Might as well take a nap until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Big Blocker said: As someone who wants this to happen, agreeing with the two previous posts might seem like wishful thinking. I tend to agree, but it remains possible the Jets and Fitz do not come to a deal. But the bottom line is that breathless pronouncements like from LaCanforia yesterday that the Jets SIMPLY HAVE TO present Fitz with a deadline are not true and most likely will not happen, either. As a practical matter the Jets' season preparations will not be adversely affected at all unless and until about the second week of pre-season. Might as well take a nap until then. The reason it hasn't been signed yet is there's been no deadline that's yet come to pass. If the final deadline was July 1, it would have been signed by then. He has exactly zero other better offers, and he knows that better than any of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I agree with one thing, the time is very close when the Jets DO need to say "this is the deal, take it in the next hour, or it's off the table and we're moving on. No other deals will be offered by the Jets after this one is revoked." Fitz can then decide his future, play for what we offer, or retire/wait for some desperate team. We, at that point, simply must move on with the players we have the best we can, no matter how poorly we think of such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwave81 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 18 hours ago, Mainejet said: Fitzpatrick supporters OWN Geno supporters. Geno is a dingbat from hell. Fitzpatrick is 100% BETTER than sh*thead Geno will ever be. Saying Fitz is 100% better than Geno means very little IF Fitz's contract demands do not make cap sense to the NYJ. I don't particularly care for Geno at all, but Fitz while better than Geno in all likelihood, is a noodle armed game manager where if the wind blows more than 15mph he has trouble functioning and is not worth anywhere near $12 mill against the cap for a year. There is a reason NO ONE else offered him a contract despite being a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergen Jet Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 I wanted Fitz, but at this point he can go forth and multiply. Give Geno one year with this coaching staff and offense and see what happens. Let Hack sink or swim in 2017 if Geno fails miserably. If Geno is adequate in 2016 you start Geno then and give Hack another year to develop if needed. Eventually something will stick for us. At this point I would rather take my chances with young physical talents who may or may not eventually get it than take my chances with somebody whose ceiling is well established. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blocker Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 2 hours ago, Warfish said: I agree with one thing, the time is very close when the Jets DO need to say "this is the deal, take it in the next hour, or it's off the table and we're moving on. No other deals will be offered by the Jets after this one is revoked." Fitz can then decide his future, play for what we offer, or retire/wait for some desperate team. We, at that point, simply must move on with the players we have the best we can, no matter how poorly we think of such a thing. As a negotiating tactic, the smart move for the Jets is to make a revision of the current offer. How substantial it has to be is a judgment call. But this point it is advisable to make some modification to allow both sides to say they came to an agreement, rather than saying one side imposed its will on the other. During the Civil War General Grant became known as Unconditional Surrender Grant, after his first initials, but also reflecting his approach during the war. But at the end, at Appomattox, he agreed to let Lee's officers carry their side-arms, and retain their horses and baggage. And then all the Confederates were allowed to go home after being fed and given care. I do not mean to say this is merely a matter of form over substance. In fact I think there are problems with the FO's offer as we understand it. All I am saying is in a situation like this it does not make sense as a negotiating position to offer nothing to break the logjam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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