Larz Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Just now, gEYno said: That's where we're at now? We're going with utter denial of his college career. I was in denial until that intentional grounding. Then I got a bad flashback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 22 minutes ago, C Mart said: You have a lot of posts here what's your excuse. Do you really understand how dumb that thought process is? Luck, both Mannings all were 4 yr starters and struggled their rookie season. Eli sat for the first 3 months. 1) Sick Burn, dude! 2) If that was the actual thought process, it might be considered dumb. But, here's a lesson from my many, many posts. If you're going to call someone dumb, you ought to understand their point, lest you actually look dumb. 3) The post is in response to Hackenberg being excused for not getting a lot of reps. When in fact, Hackenberg's full body of evidence suggests he hasn't lived up to his physical tools. Not just his limited opportunities in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, gEYno said: 1) Sick Burn, dude! 2) If that was the actual thought process, it might be considered dumb. But, here's a lesson from my many, many posts. If you're going to call someone dumb, you ought to understand their point, lest you actually look dumb. 3) The post is in response to Hackenberg being excused for not getting a lot of reps. When in fact, Hackenberg's full body of evidence suggests he hasn't lived up to his physical tools. Not just his limited opportunities in the NFL. 3) yeah. I'm the dumb one yikes. Actual Jets fans hoping a rookie QB sucks, having no thought process that a 21 yr old can improve with quality NFL coaching just so they can say "I told you so", and "same old Jets". This place is nuts! Enjoy the season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 38 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: He was not so bad under O'Brien his freshman year in a pro style offense when everyone was gushing all over him. O'Brien leaves and the entire Program goes in the sh*tter and incredibly Hackenberg now sucks. You know better than that. This is wishful thinking at best and complete denial at worst. First, Hackenberg did not grade out particularly well even in his freshman year. Second, there's as strong, if not stronger argument that Allen Robinson made Christian Hackenberg look better in his first year than the lack of O'Brien made him look worse. Robinson had more receptions than the next 4 guys combined that year. Last, can you name another instance, even one, where this happened? Where a promising young QB had a "good" season, then a new coach came in, and he was horrible, and then went on to succeed at the next level? That's a serious question, I'd be happy to learn there was one. I hope you're right. I hope that it was all the coaches fault. I hope that he just needs time. What I think, and what the evidence available suggests, is that he's got great physical tools, but he was bad in college, and he hasn't shown anything yet to make you think he won't be bad in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 6 minutes ago, C Mart said: 3) yeah. I'm the dumb one yikes. Actual Jets fans hoping a rookie QB sucks, having no thought process that a 21 yr old can improve with quality NFL coaching just so they can say "I told you so", and "same old Jets". This place is nuts! Enjoy the season! This is literally the most tired argument on the board... We've heard it with Hackenberg, we've heard it with Geno, we've heard it with Sanchez, we've heard it with Pennington. "If you don't like a player or a draft pick, and you point it out on a discussion forum, you're rooting for him to fail just so you can say you were right on the internet." The only person I've on JN I've ever actually seen take a victory lap in the Jets failures was stoicentry when Idzik's draft picks continued to fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 10 minutes ago, C Mart said: 3) yeah. I'm the dumb one yikes. Actual Jets fans hoping a rookie QB sucks, having no thought process that a 21 yr old can improve with quality NFL coaching just so they can say "I told you so", and "same old Jets". This place is nuts! Enjoy the season! Don't feed the bottom feeding trolls. They have nothing better to do than try to get a rise out of people. Either that or they just started watching football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 39 minutes ago, sourceworx said: I won't be surprised if Geno's cut or traded in a couple of weeks once Petty's shoulder heals. That would be a positive for Petty and the Jets. Hope you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said: Don't feed the bottom feeding trolls. They have nothing better to do than try to get a rise out of people. Either that or they just started watching football. Totally! Facts are the weapons of losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: It's 2016. If you're not looking promising early the tides start moving towards its not going to happen. The days of going on scholarship are over. Just look at Amaro You see tomorrow's lottery winners too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 There has been a general change in philosophy and many teams don't believe in starting high draft picks at Qb. Wentz was also going to be no.3 on his team until they made that trade which wouldn't have happened if Teddy wasn't injured. So Goff isn't a bust and neither is Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: As bad as the Hackenberg pick looks at least that's not the Jets. I don't think the Hackenberg pick looks bad. He is only 21, give him time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I don't get how on earth this is still a thing. The same people just wasted 10 years arguing this same nonsense based on nothing but anecdotal evidence and poorly contrived theories about Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. And we're still shouting down anyone looking at anything empirical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 23 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: You see tomorrow's lottery winners too? Not likely, but he's tight with Miss Cleo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan61 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: I won't be surprised if Geno's cut or traded in a couple of weeks once Petty's shoulder heals. Exactly! Don't doubt a couple if qb's will be banged up... Mac is playing it smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copernicus Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Matt39 said: As bad as the Hackenberg pick looks at least that's not the Jets. Smh. Hackenberg pick bad? Hackenberg pick was gutsy. And gutsy is good because you have to hit on a gutsy pick once in awhile to be great. With the lack of quality Qbs around a GM has to be creative, and IMHO Mac was creative and gutsy. It took balls to make that pick knowing fans like you and the media would be looking bury him immediately. Hackenberg was on the path to be the #1 pick as a freshman, then the bottom fell out Penn State first, then the bottom fell out of Hackenberg second. There is a possibility that he can turn out great. Gutsy pick if it pans out. I'd take it every time ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Smashmouth said: so with minimal reps Hack led a nice TD drive and showed a strong arm and nice touch on the TD pass to Anderson ..what else would you like to see at this stage ? Somebody post a pic of Hackenberg dabbing so we can preemptively close the books on spirited Smashmouth Hack posts for the next five years, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I don't get how on earth this is still a thing. The same people just wasted 10 years arguing this same nonsense based on nothing but anecdotal evidence and poorly contrived theories about Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. And we're still shouting down anyone looking at anything empirical? "People in this country have had enough of experts" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 20 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I don't get how on earth this is still a thing. The same people just wasted 10 years arguing this same nonsense based on nothing but anecdotal evidence and poorly contrived theories about Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. And we're still shouting down anyone looking at anything empirical? Slow down there, Mr. Wizard. Do you or do you not have tomorrow's lottery numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Why is it that a rookie QB being inactive for the first game of his career is a big deal? Also, it could just be Jeff Fisher sucking out loud again. @DVOND is the biggest Rams fan I know. He has been saying how bad their new QB looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 2 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Somebody post a pic of Hackenberg dabbing so we can preemptively close the books on spirited Smashmouth Hack posts for the next five years, legit LOLed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, sourceworx said: Everyone forgets that Bryce Petty looked pretty bad last year. A little time to get acclimated to the pro game can sometimes work wonders. This is false. Preseason Rookie Petty looked better than preseason Geno, Sanchez and Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 I urge anyone making even a "just saying" comparison between Goff and Hackenberg go back and watch the difference between the two in the face of pressure. Everyone talks about Hack taking a beating in college. So did Goff. The difference is Goff stands in there knowing he will get whacked and delivers the ball accurately time and time again. Hack chuck and ducks inaccurately. Goff is not superstar material, but he will be just fine. He can certainly play Matt Ryan, Andy Dalton, Kirk Cousins, Blake Bortles, Alex Smith ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 16 minutes ago, kdels62 said: This is false. Preseason Rookie Petty looked better than preseason Geno, Sanchez and Hack. And Fitzpatrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 31 minutes ago, Maxman said: @DVOND is the biggest Rams fan I know. He has been saying how bad their new QB looks. Hard Knocks tells a different story! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, TheMagicRat said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And Fitzpatrick Obsessed much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 41 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Somebody post a pic of Hackenberg dabbing so we can preemptively close the books on spirited Smashmouth Hack posts for the next five years, look Im just trying to be positive about the situation and say lets not judge the kid until we actually see him get some work in ..is that too much to ask ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 15 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And Fitzpatrick True. I remember when Fitzpatrick was a rookie prospect on the Jets that everyone thought could be a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 11 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said: Obsessed much Nope just speaking the truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 18 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Hard Knocks tells a different story! I wanted to watch Hard Knocks but I didn't get a chance to. That said didn't Goff have a completion % of like 44 and 5 turnovers? I am not saying he won't be good. I am saying that when I sat next to the biggest Rams fan I know at the Springsteen concert I expected him to be pumped for his new QB. He wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 2 hours ago, C Mart said: Steve McNair? Goes to show how great McNair was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 44 minutes ago, kdels62 said: This is false. Preseason Rookie Petty looked better than preseason Geno, Sanchez and Hack. ... and Fitzpaycheck. I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised by Petty (and Hack) this preseason. I definitely think they're both future starter material. While Goff looked terrified and lost, Petty looked like he enjoyed every minute, like it was easy. That's a good sign. I'd love to see him start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: I don't get how on earth this is still a thing. The same people just wasted 10 years arguing this same nonsense based on nothing but anecdotal evidence and poorly contrived theories about Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith. And we're still shouting down anyone looking at anything empirical? 10 years...not 10 weeks. Next year if these guys do not show improvement you can start talking about busts without looking like a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 3 minutes ago, jetrider said: ... and Fitzpaycheck. I gotta say I was pleasantly surprised by Petty (and Hack) this preseason. I definitely think they're both future starter material. While Goff looked terrified and lost, Petty looked like he enjoyed every minute, like it was easy. That's a good sign. I'd love to see him start. I'm shocked that you were surprised. As far as I've heard you know whether a player is any good or not by their 2nd preseason game...sooner most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 51 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: And Fitzpatrick I support any player wearing the green and white...Troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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