Sarge4Tide Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I have us cutting loose Revis and Brandon Marshall - I suppose both could be back. Have David Harris coming back, but he could be gone. Also have both Richardson and Wilkerson coming back in the DL By my count we need to fill 12 positions this offseason QB (1) PRIORITY 1 RB (1) FB (1) WR (1) TE (1) OL (2) LB (1) CB (3) PRIORITY 1A S (1) TOTAL - 53 OFFENSE - 26 Quarterback - 3 9 - Bryce Petty 6'3" 230 (QB) 5 - Christian Hackenberg 6'4" 225 Penn State X - VETERAN FREE AGENT Running Back - 4 29 - Bilal Powell 5'11" 207 Louisville 22 - Matt Forte 6'2" 218 Tulane (RB) 33 - Khiry Robinson 6'0" 220 West Texas A&M (RB) OR VETERAN FREE AGENT XX - DRAFT PICK Fullback - 1 X - VETERAN FREE AGENT / UNDRAFTED FREE AGENT Tight End - 3 82 - Brandon Bostick 6'3" 250 Penn State 88 - Austin Seferian-Jenkins 6'5" 260 Washington XX - DRAFT PICK Wide Receiver - 6 87 - Eric Decker 6'3" 214 Minnesota 81 - Quincy Enunwa 6'2" 225 Nebraska 11 - Robby Anderson 6'3" 190 Temple 17 - Charone Peake 6'3" 205 Clemson 19 - Devin Smith 6'0" 196 Ohio State XX - DRAFT PICK Offensive Line - 9 77 - James Carpenter 6'5 321 Alabama (G) 79 - Brent Qvale 6'7 315 Nebraska (T) 74 - Nick Mangold 6'4" 305 Ohio State (C) 76 - Wesley Johnson 6'5" 297 (C/G) 70 - Dakota Dozier 6'4" 313 Furman (C/G/T) 67 - Brian Winters 6'4" 320 (G) 72 - Brandon Shell 6'5" 325 South Carolina (T/G) XX - VETERAN FREE AGENT XX - DRAFT PICK DEFENSE - 24 Defensive Line - 6 96 - Muhammad Wilkerson 6'4" 315 Temple (DT/DE) 92 - Leonard Williams 6'5 300 USC (DE/DT) 91 - Sheldon Richardson 6'3" 294 Missouri (DT/DE) 99 - Steve McLendon 6'3" 310 Troy (DT) 95 - Deon Simon 6'4" 330 Northwest St LA (DT) 75 - Anthony Johnson 6'2" 295 LSU (DT) OR 97 - Lawrence Thomas 6'4" 305 Michigan State (DE/DT) Linebacker - 8 52 - David Harris 6'2" 245 Michigan 55 - Lorenzo Mauldin 6'4" 259 Louisville 48 - Jordan Jenkins 6'3" 259 Ohio State 50 - Darron Lee 6'1" 235 Ohio State 54 - Bruce Carter 6'2" 240 North Carolina 56 - Freddie Bishop 6'4" 260 Western Michigan 95 - Josh Martin 6'3" 245 Columbia XX - VETERAN FREE AGENT Cornerback - 6 32 - Juston Burris 6'0" 205 NC State 27 - Darryl Roberts 6'0" 182 Marshall 37 - Bryson Keeton 6'2" 190 Montana State XX - VETERAN FREE AGENT XX - VETERAN FREE AGENT XX - DRAFT PICK Safety - 4 25 - Calvin Pryor 5'11" 207 Louisville 45 - Rontez Miles 6'1" 210 California (PA) 36 - Doug Middleton 6'0" 210 Appalachian State XX - DRAFT PICK SPECIAL TEAMS - 3 Punter - 1 4 - Lac Edwards 6'4" 215 Sam Houston State (2016 Draft Pick) Kicker - 1 2 - Nick Folk 6'2" 222 Arizona Long Snapper - 1 46 - Tanner Purdum 6'3" 275 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 You're on the right track. I actually think it is more like 15. Best case scenario is the team is legitimately competitive in 2020. And that is if they execute a rebuild correctly. If the Jets continue to draft poorly, a decade of Jets dark ages football like the 70s are on the horizon. NO FRAUD AGENCY SPLURGING. Bargain shop only fot quality character guys, Special Teams contributors, and versatile fringe starter offensive lineman until they can draft some blue-chip big fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 By my count fill zero of these holes, and go 0-16 for Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, RoadFan said: NO FRAUD AGENCY SPLURGING. Bargain shop only fot quality character guys, Special Teams contributors, and versatile fringe starter offensive lineman until they can draft some blue-chip big fellas. Or, or. We could spend a bunch of money, trade draft picks for veterans, go 9-7 next year, fire everyone, and start over again. Eh? Eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Don't agree with FB or WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I really don't get the hatred for Marshall. Only high priced vet who actually played hard last season. Oh he was honest about the team quitting! How dare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thadude Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lupz27 said: By my count fill zero of these holes, and go 0-16 for Darnold. If we're not signing Glennon or Taylor I'm all in Start Petty/Hack and pile up those losses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 i don't think they need 3 corners. they will keep skrine because of his cap hit and marcus williams is a rfa and has good talent. with some better coaching these guys will play better. and then there's always a chance revis will come back. his cap hit is too high for the jets to just cut him without considering other options including a return or shift to safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I think there is a good chance Brandon Marshall is back. Depends on the fall out from the locker room stuff. From a football standpoint though, he will be back. 7.5 million, and he would re-negotiate. I am not sure Revis is getting cut either. I wish they would have moved him to safety. But I am wondering if they bring him back on a new deal and change the expectation level around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 4 minutes ago, thadude said: I really don't get the hatred for Marshall. Only high priced vet who actually played hard last season. Oh he was honest about the team quitting! How dare. marshall is a horse. he did drop some gimmes last season but a lot of that can be attributed to the off field locker room bs affecting his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Brandon Marshall is still the best WR on the team, I want him back. I'm interested in the idea of Revis staying -after a pay cut- and moving primarily to safety. Don't care about the FB position, but I'd put a priority on TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Marshall is clearly in decline and long overdue to melt down and physically accost a teammate, but Woody is guided by whatever dumb sh*t season ticket holders say on Twitter, so I'm sure he'll be back with a renegotiated contract that keeps him here until 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phill1c Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, thadude said: I really don't get the hatred for Marshall. Only high priced vet who actually played hard last season. Oh he was honest about the team quitting! How dare. because HE DIDN'T PLAY HARD!! How is reaching for a ball with one arm "playing hard"? How is dropping passes, at critical times mind you, "playing hard". Yeah, he managed to stay on the field more than the other Prima Dona, Decker, but that really isn't saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I think Folk is a cap casualty. He's paid like a top ten kicker. He isn't one. You left off Marcus Williams (he'll be retained) and Buster Skrine (won't be cut). And Jalin Marshall. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ijalana back on the cheap. He can at least push Shell for time at RT. They brought in Tomlinson at TE and he seemed to get decent snaps as the blocking TE. He's cheap and I bet he'll be back. They also held onto Bowman for a while at TE on the IR so I bet they have plans for him. Position obviously needs work but it's not as presssing as others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 30 minutes ago, RoadFan said: You're on the right track. I actually think it is more like 15. Best case scenario is the team is legitimately competitive in 2020. And that is if they execute a rebuild correctly. If the Jets continue to draft poorly, a decade of Jets dark ages football like the 70s are on the horizon. NO FRAUD AGENCY SPLURGING. Bargain shop only fot quality character guys, Special Teams contributors, and versatile fringe starter offensive lineman until they can draft some blue-chip big fellas. It depends on certain way drafts pan out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Also, obviously QB is a huge concern, and Jet fans are stuck with hoping that either Maccagnan was right about Hackenberg and literally everyone else is wrong, or he recognizes his mistake and makes the position priority #1. And while I realize the team has a lot of front seven talent on defense, a consistent, effective pass rusher also has to be high on the priority list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 17 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Or, or. We could spend a bunch of money, trade draft picks for veterans, go 9-7 next year, fire everyone, and start over again. Eh? Eh? LOL. Trying the same thing over and over... Definition of insanity, anyone? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: I think Folk is a cap casualty. He's paid like a top ten kicker. He isn't one. You left off Marcus Williams (he'll be retained) and Buster Skrine (won't be cut). And Jalin Marshall. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ijalana back on the cheap. He can at least push Shell for time at RT. They brought in Tomlinson at TE and he seemed to get decent snaps as the blocking TE. He's cheap and I bet he'll be back. They also held onto Bowman for a while at TE on the IR so I bet they have plans for him. Position obvously needs work but it's not as presssing as others. Very high on Bowman myself. I thought he'd start getting some run and as soon as he did, he got IR'd. Verstile player with good hands, very physical H-back type IMO. Slower version of Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: It depends on certain way drafts pan out By "legitimately competitive," I mean for a Super Bowl. The 9-7, 10-6 crap need not apply. Division titles and home playoff games. And that ain't happenin' until 2020 at the earliest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said: I have us cutting loose Revis and Brandon Marshall - I suppose both could be back. Have David Harris coming back, but he could be gone. Also have both Richardson and Wilkerson coming back in the DL By my count we need to fill 12 positions this offseason QB (1) PRIORITY 1 RB (1) FB (1) WR (1) TE (1) OL (2) LB (1) CB (3) PRIORITY 1A S (1) If he cuts/trades Marshall (or Decker, if he's not going to be 100%) I think he'll stick with what he's got. They have 6 WRs without one of them heading into camp, so unless there's someone in the draft they just can't pass on, I think he'll go with what they have. Also I think he'll roll with what they've got at RB other than an UDFA or late rounder since he's locked the team into Forte/Powell at about $10m between them for 2017. Other than that, I'm in agreement with what you say and then some: QB1 (duh) QB2 (unless anyone thinks both Petty and Hackenberg have earned guaranteed roster spots) FB TE1 LT (he won't exercise y2 option for Clady at $10m; Ijalana is a FA) C (if the $9m Mangold is released/traded; Wesley Johnson is a FA) RG (Winters is a FA) RT* (maybe. More on that below) pass rushing OLB ILB (they'll likely keep the $6.5m Harris but should've already replaced him by now) CB1 CB2 ** NB (Skrine stinks and isn't worth another $6m, though I think he returns) FS*** (I think he'll cut the Gilchrist rather than pay him another $6m) SS (if he trades Pryor like I've read some predict; team could certainly use an upgrade) K (if he dumps Folk to clear his $3m. They have that other kid but a tryout isn't a lock to get the job) * RT = Shell looked a good amount better than the guy who let Petty get knocked out in PS4. It's also looking like Petty is less durable than Chad Pennington, so there's that. I don't know if he's earned a starting job for the next season, but I'd hate to bring in an expensive FA and negate the opportunity for a cheap RT for the next 3 seasons. ** CB2 = Burris isn't a starter (or not yet, anyway). He could (should) work his way into the starting lineup by merit, so the only reason to go into the offseason banking on him starting in '17 is to treat the season as a massive tryout anyway. Then if it works out it looks brilliant, and if it doesn't, well we weren't winning anything in '17 anyhow. *** FS = I think he'll reach middle ground with Revis. Offer him $8-9m for the season, which is still $2-3m more than Revis could make anywhere else since he's already been guaranteed $6m from the Jets. It would also serve Revis well if he really does want to continue his career: he gets paid to show the Jets (or anyone) that he's worth being paid well as a FS into his mid-30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 47 minutes ago, slats said: Brandon Marshall is still the best WR on the team, I want him back. I'm interested in the idea of Revis staying -after a pay cut- and moving primarily to safety. Don't care about the FB position, but I'd put a priority on TE. ASFJ could be the TE we need already on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 By my count, Jets need to fill 12 positions this offseason is that on offense or defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, slats said: Brandon Marshall is still the best WR on the team, I want him back. I'm interested in the idea of Revis staying -after a pay cut- and moving primarily to safety. Don't care about the FB position, but I'd put a priority on TE. Agree completely on Marshall. He and Decker and Enunwa are a Top 10 WR corps if healthy. Disagree completely on Revis. He has no speed and won't tackle, not exactly the traits you want. Let's not forget the high-flying teams on the schedule, they'd have a field day against an old CB converted to an old safety: Patr|ots Patr|ots Chargers Falcons Panthers Chiefs Raiders Saints SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Lupz27 said: By my count fill zero of these holes, and go 0-16 for Darnold. I could go for this plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 The Jets need to fill 1 role and that will transform the whole team. In 2015, a tired old washed up QB had a career year and set Jet records with a team that 1 year later, looked lost while struggling to win 5 games . Three major differences between 2015 and 2016 Jet seasons The Play of the QB The absence of the starting RB The absence of the Starting NT Of those 3, which 1 would you say was the biggest issue ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, SAR I said: Agree completely on Marshall. He and Decker and Enunwa are a Top 10 WR corps if healthy. Disagree completely on Revis. He has no speed and won't tackle, not exactly the traits you want. Let's not forget the high-flying teams on the schedule, they'd have a field day against an old CB converted to an old safety: Patr|ots Patr|ots Chargers Falcons Panthers Chiefs Raiders Saints SAR I I'm probably in the minority but I still think Revis could play a #3 CB role on this team... Get someone fresh to be on the top flight guys and let him handle the lesser competition. I think if he really means it that he wants to play, he can at least be average at that. So he can't cover Julio Jones or Sanu on a team like the Falcons, but he might be able to keep up with someone like Justin Hardy or another 3rd guy. I'm probably being optimistic there though... The Jets should have better options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 55 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Marshall is clearly in decline and long overdue to melt down and physically accost a teammate, but Woody is guided by whatever dumb sh*t season ticket holders say on Twitter, so I'm sure he'll be back with a renegotiated contract that keeps him here until 2020. It literally amazes me how Jets fans are fooled by this dude. I get it. 2015 was fun to watch. He made some amazing catches, sh*t we havent seen since Toon. He also dropped the most meaningful pass of the year vs. New England but we let it slide because he made Fitz look like a real Qb for a season and the offense was good. Meanwhile, he's top 3 in drops and the worst catch ratio in the league and has proven yet again to be a divisive and terrible person to have in the locker room. This all gets ignored because he's says all the right things to media. You know, a sector in society that's he's a part of and clearly wants to be his career after Football. He's the most calculated player in the NFL when it comes to addressing the media. Of course he says the right things all the time because that's his job. The job he's good at. The other job he gets paid a ton for...not so much. Statistically he's one of the worst and now he's destroyed another locker room, admittedly. But lets keep him around because that's the type of player you want to help a sh*tty young QB on a terrible Football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 As for the topic of this thread, outside of the DL - is there a single position on the entire team that isnt in need of an upgrade? I cant think of one position that's not on the DL that I feel like the Jets are good and cant upgrade talent. Not 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, DMan77 said: I'm probably in the minority but I still think Revis could play a #3 CB role on this team... Get someone fresh to be on the top flight guys and let him handle the lesser competition. I think if he really means it that he wants to play, he can at least be average at that. So he can't cover Julio Jones or Sanu on a team like the Falcons, but he might be able to keep up with someone like Justin Hardy or another 3rd guy. I'm probably being optimistic there though... The Jets should have better options. I think that would last up to the point where 1 guy ahead of him has a bad game, after which Bowles would re-promote Revis for the balance of the season. I think a season-long tryout at FS would have a better chance of success if he re-finds the will to tackle. He was playing several yards off his man anyhow, even when playing man. I wouldn't bet anything on any player that doesn't give the requisite effort, but he should still have enough talent for the switch if the will ever returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 I get the hate for Marshall. I kind of share it, but I can see reasons to keep him around. He is the kind of WR that is a horse. You can force the ball to him and depending on the offense or who is at QB, that may be something we want. A guy Geno could have used someone to lean on. Even if that trust is misguided. People here are touting Mike Glennon. Take a look how Glennon rode Vincent Jackson to see how that kind of WR can help a developing QB. Of course after Marshall spit up 10 out of 11 for Petty, he may not even be good for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, slats said: Brandon Marshall is still the best WR on the team, I want him back. I'm interested in the idea of Revis staying -after a pay cut- and moving primarily to safety. Don't care about the FB position, but I'd put a priority on TE. Agreed as to Marshall. Revis has for 2 seasons shied away from contact. Don't think that works for a safety, but being his cap number is killer, might be stuck using him as a FS/nickel back since it's a sunk cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said: I think that would last up to the point where 1 guy ahead of him has a bad game, after which Bowles would re-promote Revis for the balance of the season. I think a season-long tryout at FS would have a better chance of success if he re-finds the will to tackle. He was playing several yards off his man anyhow, even when playing man. I wouldn't bet anything on any player that doesn't give the requisite effort, but he should still have enough talent for the switch if the will ever returned. Ya you're right... That's the part that really hurts any analysis of his skill set that we try to do... Watching him hardly jog after guys was so cringe worthy... I feel like he has the skills, talent and the wily veteran instincts that he could still play adequately at FS or non-1 CB spot, and even come up with a vintage play every now and then... But does he feel like it? Or is he just going through the motions? Doesn't seem like he's interested in taking any kind of leadership role either... It's going to be very interesting to see if he's on this team, and where he fits in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, Bugg said: Agreed as to Marshall. Revis has for 2 seasons shied away from contact. Don't think that works for a safety, but being his cap number is killer, might be stuck using him as a FS/nickel back since it's a sunk cost. Since the $6m is sunk cost (no matter where he ends up), anyone else would have to outbid the Jets by $6m to outbid us. If we offered him $8m it's "only" $2m more than our sunk cost, but $7m more than he's likely to be offered from anyone else. Unless someone was willing to offer him >$6m, why would they bother bidding more than $1m? To Revis, it's the same money, whether it's $1m from his new team and $5m from the Jets, or $5.5m from his new team and $500k from the Jets. We offer $8m and someone else would have to offer up >$8m (with no Jets offset anymore), and I see about zero teams interested in that after his 2016 performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Just now, Sperm Edwards said: Since the $6m is sunk cost (no matter where he ends up), anyone else would have to outbid the Jets by $6m to outbid us. If we offered him $8m it's "only" $2m more than our sunk cost, but $7m more than he's likely to be offered from anyone else. Unless someone was willing to offer him >$6m, why would they bother bidding more than $1m? To Revis, it's the same money, whether it's $1m from his new team and $5m from the Jets, or $5.5m from his new team and $500k from the Jets. We offer $8m and someone else would have to offer up >$8m (with no Jets offset anymore), and I see about zero teams interested in that after his 2016 performance. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, RoadFan said: By "legitimately competitive," I mean for a Super Bowl. The 9-7, 10-6 crap need not apply. Division titles and home playoff games. And that ain't happenin' until 2020 at the earliest. You can win division titles with those records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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