JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 36 minutes ago, JiF said: The blue print on how you rebuild. Tear the mother ****er down to it's knees and don't get caught up in a "competitive rebuild". Embrace the suck and form a strategy. Draft a QB high, ride or die with said QB and don't get tempted to play maybe slightly better savvy veteran QB in Henne (among other Vet options that presented themselves). Build around young QB - Marquise Lee, Allen Robinson, Dede Westbrook, Allen Hurns, Leonard Fournette, TY Yeldon Prioritize premium positions via the draft. Bortles, Fowler and Ramsey. (LT - Luke Jockel at one point). Take the guy who was supposed to go higher and fell to you: Myles Jack, Cam Robinson. Hit on some mid round picks - Telvin Smith, Aaron Colvin, Yannick Ngakoue Sign stud young FA's - Bouye, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Campbell (though he's not young, he plays young) Trade to fill holes - Dareus Bring in Football Czar - Coughlin Results? Best young team in the NFL. 5 minutes ago, nyjunc said: how are the Jets doing it wrong? they are doing it the same way w/ this regime. the question is do they have the right people in place making the decisions? The Jets basically started over after last year so it's really year 2 of this current rebuild. In pretty much every singe way. They're literally doing nothing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickTamland Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 25 minutes ago, JiF said: In pretty much every singe way. They're literally doing nothing the same. I’ll jump in: 1. Who’s the QB we took high as a legit prospect? 2. We have Robby Anderson and Jermaine Kearse as real weapons. They took Hansen and Stewart and we’ll see what happens with them. This is a UDFA, a valuable trade piece and 3rd rounders. OK, but again not really scary top class weaponzz. 3. Did the opposite of prioritizing high value positions. S 1st. S in 2nd. ILB in 1st. “QB” in 2nd. DL in 1st. WR in 2nd. QB and WR are points producers and he failed both times. Both times picking someone that was far from the top rated prospect at the position. (However I would agree that the Smith bust that was not totally on Mac) The others are not. Even Leonard Williams as a lineman in a 3-4 will have a hard time getting sacks. Typically the OLB job. etc etc ive defended Mac on this board. Mainly because of how some of his fa pickups and trades worked out. But his drafting has been backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, Ghost said: This Jags team actually reminds me of the 2009/2010 Jets. Rex was on air before the Steelers game saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 The Jaguars began their rebuild in 2011, after trial by error after 2 different gms and head coaches, a bad draft pick or two a franchise quarterback that didn’t work out they finally got things in the right direction. But they were mostly patient and allowed players to develop. Jets fans would not be patient for 5-6 years while the team rebuilt. Their success isn’t overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 hours ago, FlagmanL11 said: See what happens when a team cleans house and brings in guys who know what they are doing. 1. Quality drafting during their 'suck' period. 2. Tom Coughlin instilling an old-school culture and work ethic that is tops in the league. 3. Non-rookie head coach who cut his teeth, made his mistakes, and learned his lessons elsewhere. The Jets perhaps have #1. No #2's available, it's the rarest of the rare. #3 we can do something about and need to. SAR I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: The blue print on how you rebuild. Tear the mother ****er down to it's knees and don't get caught up in a "competitive rebuild". Embrace the suck and form a strategy. Draft a QB high, ride or die with said QB and don't get tempted to play maybe slightly better savvy veteran QB in Henne (among other Vet options that presented themselves). Build around young QB - Marquise Lee, Allen Robinson, Dede Westbrook, Allen Hurns, Leonard Fournette, TY Yeldon Prioritize premium positions via the draft. Bortles, Fowler and Ramsey. (LT - Luke Jockel at one point). Take the guy who was supposed to go higher and fell to you: Myles Jack, Cam Robinson. Hit on some mid round picks - Telvin Smith, Aaron Colvin, Yannick Ngakoue Sign stud young FA's - Bouye, Jackson, Church, Gipson, Campbell (though he's not young, he plays young) Trade to fill holes - Dareus Bring in Football Czar - Coughlin Results? Best young team in the NFL. I'm reasonably confident that we'll start doing those things year 2 into rebuild part 2 electric boogaloo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, August said: The Jaguars began their rebuild in 2011, after trial by error after 2 different gms and head coaches, a bad draft pick or two a franchise quarterback that didn’t work out they finally got things in the right direction. But they were mostly patient and allowed players to develop. Jets fans would not be patient for 5-6 years while the team rebuilt. Their success isn’t overnight. They got a new owner and GM in 2013. Pretty sure that's when it began because they literally came out and said, we're starting over....give us 3-4 years and weren't actually scared to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, JiF said: They got a new owner and GM in 2013. Pretty sure that's when it began because they literally came out and said, we're starting over....give us 3-4 years and weren't actually scared to do it. Yep. it took Woody being sent out of the country for him to give the ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen X Jet Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm just glad the Jets are following the same blueprint. Our defensive minded head coach with 5 first rounders on D, led the Jets to a 25th ranked defense- like a crocus sprouting in early spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: They got a new owner and GM in 2013. Pretty sure that's when it began because they literally came out and said, we're starting over....give us 3-4 years and weren't actually scared to do it. Nah it started in 2011. After their 05-10 competitive window closed they realized that they needed to tank, they cut Garrard and went into the year with Luke McCown and a rookie Blaine Gabbert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, August said: Nah it started in 2011. After their 05-10 competitive window closed they realized that they needed to tank, they cut Garrard and went into the year with Luke McCown and a rookie Blaine Gabbert. No. They literally got a new owner, who hired a new GM, who hired a new coach and said, we are rebuilding. Give us 3-4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 hours ago, FlagmanL11 said: See what happens when a team cleans house and brings in guys who know what they are doing. It's a little more complicated than that, but it certainly starts at the top and Woody Johnson is a buffoon. On the other hand, Khan is a self-made man who succeeds at whatever he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, JiF said: They got a new owner and GM in 2013. Pretty sure that's when it began because they literally came out and said, we're starting over....give us 3-4 years and weren't actually scared to do it. There's a big difference between a guy like Khan and Woody. Woody is a terrible decision maker who had to hire Korn Ferry and then a couple of has beens (Casserly and Wolf) to pick a GM (and coach, in the latter case) for him. The guy was born with a silver spoon in his ass. The guy isn't anymore qualified than anyone else on this board to run a team. Khan's first job was paid him $1.20/hour. He didn't make it to where he is by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, JiF said: No. They literally got a new owner, who hired a new GM, who hired a new coach and said, we are rebuilding. Give us 3-4 years. That doesn’t negate the fact that the Jaguars began their rebuild in 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, detectivekimble said: There's a big difference between a guy like Khan and Woody. Woody is a terrible decision maker who had to hire Korn Ferry and then a couple of has beens (Casserly and Wolf) to pick a GM (and coach, in the latter case) for him. The guy was born with a silver spoon in his ass. The guy isn't anymore qualified than anyone else on this board to run a team. Khan's first job was paid him $1.20/hour. He didn't make it to where he is by accident. Dude, Kahn is the man. Being a resident of Jax for the past decade, this dude is incredible. What he's doing for this city is really exciting. The Jags are in good hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, August said: That doesn’t negate the fact that the Jaguars began their rebuild in 2011. So even though they cut every single veteran on team not named Paul Poslusnzy from the old regime and told their fanbase they were rebuilding for the next 3-4 years...the real truth is they actually started rebuilding under the old Owner, old GM and old Head Coach with a totally different roster....these guys are just carrying out the vision of Wayne Weaver, Gene Smith and Jack Del-Rio. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, JiF said: So even though they cut every single veteran on team not named Paul Poslusnzy from the old regime and told their fanbase they were rebuilding for the next 3-4 years...the real truth is they actually started rebuilding under the old Owner, old GM and old Head Coach with a totally different roster....these guys are just carrying out the vision of Wayne Weaver, Gene Smith and Jack Del-Rio. Got it. Ive said this from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 10:15 PM, bla bla bla said: nope, definitely couldn't have put this comment in the weekend thread. Why? Just calling balls and strikes here. Personally I am sick of the half ass approach this team has taken and with management happy with 5-11 because they tried. Half those guys that tried will not be here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 hours ago, southparkcpa said: and look at how their drafts have worked. They have almost all their 1st and 2nd rounders playing for the last 4 years. And we draft losers in the 2nd -4th rounds most years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 12 hours ago, SAR I said: 1. Quality drafting during their 'suck' period. 2. Tom Coughlin instilling an old-school culture and work ethic that is tops in the league. 3. Non-rookie head coach who cut his teeth, made his mistakes, and learned his lessons elsewhere. The Jets perhaps have #1. No #2's available, it's the rarest of the rare. #3 we can do something about and need to. SAR I #1 has set the Jets back. Hackenberg is a waste. So let’s wait for the next QB. Plus there is no depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 10:27 PM, joewilly12 said: Wait so Cousins is going to sign free agents, draft players, and be the head coach and QB. You're right, so why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 hours ago, Philc1 said: And then Macc had his chance at drafting Cam Robinson and signing AJ Bouye took a pass on both Cam was a 2nd round pick, before our 2nd. Your point? 34 teams passed on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 11:20 PM, SenorGato said: I feel like the playoff teams this weekend come down to having two super studs and a (big oversimplification coming) bunch of guys who don’t get in their way too often: Brady and Gronk Fournette and Ramsey Brown and Bell Wentz and Lane Johnson, Cox as Wentz’s stand in The two OTs on the Titans Harrison Smith and Anthony Barr The Saints and Falcons are a little less clear - Kamara and Jones but not sure otherwise...Brees? Jordan? Jordan right now. Ryan? Trufant? Jets need them some horses. Cousins and Bell, please! the jags have 2 all pro corners and the best front 7 in the NFL. it's not just ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 15 hours ago, JiF said: Huh? The Jgas changed ownership and hired a new GM in 2013. Blackmon was the old regime. This was a 3-4 year rebuild, which is usually the length of the leash when a team openly was starting all over. This was their plan. Kahn let them have a few sh*tty seasons. Then they had expectations last year, they fell short, changed coaches and now they're seeing the results. Rebuilds take time when you're starting over. The Jets are just doing it wrong. Go figure. How are they doing it wrong? Bitch and moan if they're trying to do a competitive rebuild, bitch and moan when they cut off the dead weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, cant wait said: it's not just ramsey Well yeah, but it all comes together because of Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 PLAYOFFS?!?!? GIF from Playoffs GIFs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Take a look at their roster.... Take a look at our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 9 hours ago, FlagmanL11 said: Why? Just calling balls and strikes here. Personally I am sick of the half ass approach this team has taken and with management happy with 5-11 because they tried. Half those guys that tried will not be here next year. I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, I just think it didn't call for a new thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Jet Nut said: How are they doing it wrong? Bitch and moan if they're trying to do a competitive rebuild, bitch and moan when they cut off the dead weight. Not sure if serious but I illustrated on the first page what the Jags did which is a proper rebuild, the steps they took to do so and it's the complete and utter opposite of what the Jets have done. In fact, the Jets haven't rebuilt sh*t. They blew their wad on over priced veterans year 1 of the regime and took an average non-premium position player with the #6 overall pick and literally got nothing else from that offseason/draft to speak of today. So they basically got zero return from an entire offseason with a bucket of money and a bunch of picks. Rinse and repeat year 2, when they brought all these turds back thinking they could hit lightening in a bottle again and got zero return again by drafting 2 guys who occasionally tackle people and nothing else in Lee and Jenkins both at non-premium positions. To fix the sh*t storm they created, they then cut all the sh*tty dead weight they personally acquired in addition to some legendary Jets and then proceeded to double down on more non-premium positions by taking back to back Safeties with holes all across the roster, especially at the premium positions which were abundant via the draft. So heading into year 4 of this regime, the Jets have zero talent at premium positions, a sh*tty foundation they've invested heavily in on Defense, zero stars (or even probowlers for that matter), zero QB's on the roster, they suck in every single phase of the game and there is nothing to be optimistic about other than hoping the Mac/Bowles actually find some talent this offseason. You bitch and moan a lot about people bitching and moan when the reality is, we're just spiting the truth, homey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, JiF said: Not sure if serious but I illustrated on the first page what the Jags did which is a proper rebuild, the steps they took to do so and it's the complete and utter opposite of what the Jets have done. In fact, the Jets haven't rebuilt sh*t. They blew their wad on over priced veterans year 1 of the regime and took an average non-premium position player with the #6 overall pick and literally got nothing else from that offseason/draft to speak of today. So they basically got zero return from an entire offseason with a bucket of money and a bunch of picks. Rinse and repeat year 2, when they brought all these turds back thinking they could hit lightening in a bottle again and got zero return again by drafting 2 guys who occasionally tackle people and nothing else in Lee and Jenkins both at non-premium positions. To fix the sh*t storm they created, they then cut all the sh*tty dead weight they personally acquired in addition to some legendary Jets and then proceeded to double down on more non-premium positions by taking back to back Safeties with holes all across the roster, especially at the premium positions which were abundant via the draft. So heading into year 4 of this regime, the Jets have zero talent at premium positions, a sh*tty foundation they've invested heavily in on Defense, zero stars (or even probowlers for that matter), zero QB's on the roster, they suck in every single phase of the game and there is nothing to be optimistic about other than hoping the Mac/Bowles actually find some talent this offseason. You bitch and moan a lot about people bitching and moan when the reality is, we're just spiting the truth, homey. We all know about years 1&2. What's different about the rebuild from year 3? It's exactly the same thing. Was a simple question, how is the rebuild wrong. No answer. The last line is hilarious though.......homey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOJOTOWNSELL Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Ira from Staten Island guarantees the jets will be in the playoffs next year. That’s good enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: We all know about years 1&2. What's different about the rebuild from year 3? It's exactly the same thing. Was a simple question, how is the rebuild wrong. No answer. The last line is hilarious though.......homey To be fair, we really have no clue what they were doing in year 3 because there were contradictory moves. They cut bad salaries, but then rode a journeyman QB until he broke down. They want to build through the draft, but then take non-premium positions in the 1st two rounds as if they were complimentary pieces to a competitive veteran team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, SMC said: To be fair, we really have no clue what they were doing in year 3 because there were contradictory moves. They cut bad salaries, but then rode a journeyman QB until he broke down. They want to build through the draft, but then take non-premium positions in the 1st two rounds as if they were complimentary pieces to a competitive veteran team. Really, it comes down to the QB. They didn't have one coming into the season and that's on them. But playing McCown over the useless 2 we had was a no brainer. Doesn't confuse a thing, QB will be addressed. When you gut the team of talent and are looking to start over there's no such thing as non premium positions, the Jets needed help at every position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Jet Nut said: We all know about years 1&2. What's different about the rebuild from year 3? It's exactly the same thing. Was a simple question, how is the rebuild wrong. No answer. The last line is hilarious though.......homey I just explained how they're doing it wrong in comparison to a team that did it right. Are we in the same conversation here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPitch Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 11:02 PM, bla bla bla said: Threads like this are a complete joke. It's just a fan you wants to vent and gets upset when no one responds to his post that winds up on page 20 of the game day thread. Could even put it in any one of the fire Bowles/Macc threads. Nope it makes way more sense to start a whole new thread with the same premise of the other 20. /rant I had a friend growing up that would put dogshyit in his mouth and then carry on gagging about how awful it was. You two are similar. Why even open the thread if you have issues with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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