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Let's Ask another way, Which QB would you NOT want to get at 3?  

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  1. 1. Staying at 3 and ANY of these 4 QB's are still available, who's your Least Favorite?



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3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

I haven't seen these numbers - that scares the hell out of me ----- That's NFL football - 3rd down is pretty much all that matters.

Pressure, too. That’s where the wheat gets separated from the non-wheat

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22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Honestly, here’s how im evaluating it: which of these QBs would [insert next great HC candidate] want to work with? Which of these guys would get, say, Jim Harbaugh to take your phone call? I’d think it’d be Darnold, then Rosen, then ehhhhhh.

I think NFL coaches are egomaniacs. Allen, even if you sat him for a year, would get you attention from offensive coaches IMO. “I can teach him how to do XYZ but you can’t teach that kind of arm strength.”

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I love the logic of “ just sit Allen for a yr and he will then be on same level as the rest “ 🤔because that flawed philosophy really worked with hackenberg Who is now on “the 5 yr sit plan “ according to mac lol

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12 hours ago, derp said:

I think NFL coaches are egomaniacs. Allen, even if you sat him for a year, would get you attention from offensive coaches IMO. “I can teach him how to do XYZ but you can’t teach that kind of arm strength.”

Yeah, but if, as expected, Bowles tries to start McCown until the inevitable injury, then Bridgewater gets a few games, then Bowles begrudgingly throws Allen in at the end of a lost season and he’s inevitably awful, that’d be dumpster-firey. Now you’re not selling a rebuild as much as a rehab situation.

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14 hours ago, derp said:

Realistically, it’s pretty likely this ends up being a disaster regardless.

Intelligent son of a renowned neurosurgeon has a history of concussion issues among other injuries, plays behind Jets’ mediocre at best offensive line. Maybe that would have worked out the Jets had landed Norwell, or if pops was a dermatologist or something.

Extraordinarily talented but raw quarterback with accuracy issues and issues against pressure gets drafted by the Jets, a franchise that specializes in spending premium selections on players that play the positions their head coaches supposedly excel at coaching rather than attempting to develop players at those positions, in the hope they can develop him. Without a head coach who specializes in quarterback development.

Southern California quarterback with turnover issues gets drafted by the Jets. I don’t think I need to even expand here.

A 6’ even quarterback prospect with on field (suspensions) and off field (arrests) character concerns who played his entire college career in a defense optional (maybe even discouraged) conference that hasn’t produced a quality quarterback since Andy Dalton (lol) moves to New York to be the Jets’ franchise QB.

 

I’m being a little tongue in cheek here, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder here in a big way. It’d be awesome to finally have a franchise quarterback, but this is a struggling organization’s Hail Mary to try and keep their jobs. I think it’s absolutely a risk worth taking and there’s a chance it works out and Macc is the next Bill Polian (GM who made an entire career out of one good move), but moving up to 3 in a four QB draft is like something I’d do because I don’t actually know wtf I’m doing and it’s easier to just take what’s left than make a decision with some level of conviction.

I've read that a number of times and accepted it as true. Except it's not. His father is not a neurosurgeon. He is an orthopedic surgeon. And while I have no reason to believe he is anything other than a good doctor who is respected by his peers, he is not "renowned". In fact he is more famous for who is kid is than he is as a doctor. And, here's another tidbit about Josh Rosen's parents, his dad was a nationally ranked ice skater who almost qualified for the Winter Olympics in the 1970s, and his mom is a former journalist who was captain of the Princeton lacrosse team. I'm not sure if any of that should matter, but I wanted to clean up the fake news about his dad being a world renowned neurosurgeon.

So, in a nutshell, no one is threatening to unseat Dick Hammer as the most famous relative of the incoming QB class.

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18 hours ago, Smashmouth said:

Nostradamus actually said this 500 years ago in reference to the Jets. Einstein stole the Quote

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The Jets moved up to Draft Barkley and still intend to give Hackenburg a shot sometime in the next 10 years

Einstein actually never said this at all. He was pretty precise and this really is a false statement.

Expecting different results doesn't make you insane but ignorant. If you believed you had obtained different results that would make you insane.  

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19 hours ago, shuler82 said:

Who’s confident in the Jets coaching staff taking a developmental prospect like Allen and getting anything out of him?

The Jets coaching staff.

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I'd be happy with any of these QB's at #3 if that was our original pick. But at the cost of 3 second rounders, if we draft Mayfield or Allen over Darnold or Rosen if either are available I'll be pretty pissed.

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This should be asked. 
I think most likely ruined Mayfield with his Heisman trophy on his left hand.

I agree with Tom Shane, Mayfield is what we need, a balls to the wall, ruthless, wont back down crazy man, which I think will leave him unfazed by the typical nonsense that has ruined other promising young Jet QBs

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All along I've said I didn't really have faith in Darnold, Rosen or Allen, and even Mayfield I had some serious doubts about (but still liked him).

I liked being at #6, because I believed (and still do) that Mayfield would have been available at #6.  If we stood pat and got the best QB in college, and it didn't work out, I could stomach that as a reasonable attempt even in failure.

Now, at #3?  Honestly, I simply have to accept whichever guy we take and see what happens.  They're all risky, all of them.  No Luck's in the draft.  No Mannings.  

So with that in mind, and knowing the futility of over-investing in being against a guy, I suppose I can accept ANY of the big 4 QB's this draft class.  

Not the end result I wanted (my perfect offseason would have resulted in Cousins, Luke Falk and Hackenberg, or staying at #6 and having Mayfield, A Veteran, Hack and all those 2nd round picks still) but it is what it is, so we just have to hope luck shines on us for a change.

Because there is no evidence to support faith in the SKILL of our GM to select the right guy of this class and we don;t control our own destiny either.

So luck (and alot of it) is what we'll need, no matter who we pick.

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19 hours ago, New York Mick said:

Mayflower or Allen 

It’s likely Mayflower won’t be able to handle losing and the NY media and Allen is a risk all around but with a higher ceiling. 

Funny you mention this Mick. They were interviewing Ryan Totalbust Leaf last week and he voice the same concerns about Mayflower errr Mayfield. How will he handle things when they go South and the media gets on you ? Leaf had legit concerns about this after talking with Mayfield.

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7 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Funny you mention this Mick. They were interviewing Ryan Totalbust Leaf last week and he voice the same concerns about Mayflower errr Mayfield. How will he handle things when they go South and the media gets on you ? Leaf had legit concerns about this after talking with Mayfield.

Mayflower reminds me of the rich white kid from the suburbs that went to the best football camps and was surrounded by good teams so he always had an advantage. In the nfl this isn’t any advantage unless you’re the Patriots and cheat. 

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Mayflower reminds me of the rich white kid from the suburbs that went to the best football camps and was surrounded by good teams so he always had an advantage. In the nfl this isn’t any advantage unless you’re the Patriots and cheat. 

All his teammates at Oklahoma loved him, doesn’t seem like that would be the case if he were an overrated rich kid.

http:// http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article187098848.html

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15 minutes ago, Rexorcism said:

All his teammates at Oklahoma loved him, doesn’t seem like that would be the case if he were an overrated rich kid.

http:// http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/article187098848.html

It’s easy to like someone when they’re doing well and everyone loves him. Wait till he’s getting destroyed by the fans (social media), the NY media and players for having bad games. I don’t think he’ll deal with it well. 

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22 hours ago, Thai Jet said:

Don"t read into my post. Did I say he would be with the Jets? Did I say his 1st year?

All I'm saying is that the universe in which the Jets draft him is probably the same universe in which that scenario plays out.

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On 3/21/2018 at 9:23 AM, Untouchable said:

Mayfield

If you trade multiple picks to move up into the Top 3...go big or go home.

Why the hell would we trade up for the QB with the least upside among the Top 4?

lulz, least upside?! Why would you trade up for a guy who checks every box for a project? 

Lets see arm strength, Mayfield is right behind Allen and ahead of the rest... so this is about height? You're advocating to ignore mechanics, footwork, decision making, accuracy -- all in the name 20 lbs and 3 inches? 

 

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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

lulz, least upside?! Why would you trade up for a guy who is fits every imaginable profile checkmark for a QB project? 

Lets see arm talent, Mayfield is right behind Allen and ahead of the rest... so this is about height? You're advocating to ignore mechanics, footwork, decision making, accuracy -- all in the name 20 lbs and 3 inches? 

 

Who out there believes that Mayfield has a higher ceiling than Darnold, Rosen or Allen?

I sure as hell don’t. You could even make a strong argument that Jackson has more overall potential. All of these guys in the Top 4 have their warts, but Mayfield has the most.

From the stature, to the maturity concerns (which are a big red flag, regardless of what his biggest supporters seem to believe), to having to make the transition from an utterly basic offensive system to a pro offense with tons of different concepts and verbiage.

I don’t think Mayfield is going to go the way of Manziel. He’s certainly a much more polished passer. But trying to drunkenly run from the cops, grabbing your dick and sh*t-talking the opposing team...that’s sure as hell Manziel-esque.

3/4 of this fanbase may want nothing to do with Allen, but to deny his upside is just dumb. If he hits, you basically have a Big Ben/Cam hybrid leading your team for the next 15 years barring injury.

Mayfield isn’t the next Drew Brees. Realistically, his ceiling is comparable to a Jeff Garcia. Good QB, but one that I want to hitch my wagon to for the next decade? Not really. But if the Jets end up taking him...oh well. Just have to hope for the best and that he isn’t a complete jackass instead of just a “dumb college kid” who will put that stuff behind him.

 

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Love the logic in this debate... BAKER MAYFIELD vs JOSH ALLEN

Mayfield:

  • Better accuracy
  • Better ball placement
  • Better touch and timing
  • Better 3rd down conversion
  • Played in a better conference
  • Won more meaningful games
  • Played with better playmakers -- but also against better defenses
  • Better feel for the game, makes quick decisions, keeps eyes downfield

Allen: 

  • Taller
  • Bigger Hands
  • Bigger Arm
  • Measurables?

 

Winner: Josh Allen

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1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

Who out there believes that Mayfield has a higher ceiling than Darnold, Rosen or Allen?

I sure as hell don’t. You could even make a strong argument that Jackson has more overall potential. All of these guys in the Top 4 have their warts, but Mayfield has the most.

From the stature, to the maturity concerns (which are a big red flag, regardless of what his biggest supporters seem to believe), to having to make the transition from an utterly basic offensive system to a pro offense with tons of different concepts and verbiage.

I don’t think Mayfield is going to go the way of Manziel. He’s certainly a much more polished passer. But trying to drunkenly run from the cops, grabbing your dick and sh*t-talking the opposing team...that’s sure as hell Manziel-esque.

3/4 of this fanbase may want nothing to do with Allen, but to deny his upside is just dumb. If he hits, you basically have a Big Ben/Cam hybrid leading your team for the next 15 years barring injury.

Mayfield isn’t the next Drew Brees. Realistically, his ceiling is comparable to a Jeff Garcia. Good QB, but one that I want to hitch my wagon to for the next decade? Not really. But if the Jets end up taking him...oh well. Just have to hope for the best and that he isn’t a complete jackass instead of just a “dumb college kid” who will put that stuff behind him.

 

Drew Brees vs Cam Newton. That's the ceiling -- not big ben. Sam Darnold is big Ben....

So more appropriately worded -- who out there would pick cam newton over drew brees?

I don't think you've watched enough Mayfield. 

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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

Drew Brees vs Cam Newton. That's the ceiling -- not big ben. Sam Darnold is big Ben....

So out there would pick cam newton over drew brees?

I don't think you've watched enough Mayfield. 

Let’s just say Mayfield’s upside IS Drew Brees (which I don’t really buy at all)...

Drew Brees wouldn’t even be Drew Brees if he didn’t hook up with a renowned offensive guru like Payton and play in a dome at least 9 games a season for the last 12 years.

Drew Brees with a defensive minded coach and playing out in the elements at MetLife/Foxboro/Buffalo in November/December/January? 

You’d probably have Case Keenum on your hands.

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5 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

Let’s just say Mayfield’s upside IS Drew Brees (which I don’t really buy at all)...

You’d probably have Case Keenum on your hands.

You're reducing Brees to Keenum without Payton?  ahhhhhhhhhhhhh no.

Have you watched ESPN docu's on his throwing mechanics and accuracy? He's a beast.

AND he was a beast his last 2 years in SD. Pre-Payton.

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1 minute ago, Paradis said:

C'mon. You're reducing Brees to Keenum without Payton?

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh no. Have you watched ESPN docu's on his throwing mechanics and accuracy? He's a beast.

AND he was a beast his last 2 years in SD. Pre-Payton.

It’s been proven time and time again that Brees is a different QB away from a dome. Hell, those Saints teams as a whole go from damn near unbeatable in the Superdome to straight up mediocre on the road playing outside in the latter months of the season.

Mayfield may very well turn out to be a franchise QB. I don’t despise him. I’ve said repeatedly, just get me one of the Top 4 guys and I’m golden.

But I would absolutely prefer Allen if both Darnold and Rosen are off the board at #3.

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8 minutes ago, Untouchable said:

It’s been proven time and time again that Brees is a different QB away from a dome. Hell, those Saints teams as a whole go from damn near unbeatable in the Superdome to straight up mediocre on the road playing outside in the latter months of the season.

Mayfield may very well turn out to be a franchise QB. I don’t despise him. I’ve said repeatedly, just get me one of the Top 4 guys and I’m golden.

But I would absolutely prefer Allen if both Darnold and Rosen are off the board at #3.

Well lets both hope that it doesn't come to that, cause i think we can all agree that a healthy Rosen is the Chosen one. 

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