Randy Rasmussen Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 John Idzik says helloNot too much difference between Mac and IdzikSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Actually the fact that Bowles wasnt fired today should give people who want Mac out hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 here's rex. https://nypost.com/2018/11/12/todd-bowles-isnt-the-jets-culprit-who-made-rex-ryan-explode/ he may have a point or two about mac but rex needs to remember all of those footballs he buried after his team got buried and then there was the butt fumble. i'm no mac lover. he's clearly on thin ice and he just doesn't seem up to the task of running the jets. there's not much that he's done that others couldn't do and do better. but rex should also remember he got tanny and idzik fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Mike Maccagnan will be fired the same day Todd Bowles is. That's far too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Maxman said: I thought if Bowles got fired today, Macc would survive. Now I think you are right. They are both getting fired together. Hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, rangerous said: here's rex. https://nypost.com/2018/11/12/todd-bowles-isnt-the-jets-culprit-who-made-rex-ryan-explode/ he may have a point or two about mac but rex needs to remember all of those footballs he buried after his team got buried and then there was the butt fumble. i'm no mac lover. he's clearly on thin ice and he just doesn't seem up to the task of running the jets. there's not much that he's done that others couldn't do and do better. but rex should also remember he got tanny and idzik fired. In 2013 Rex went 8-8 with an even crappier roster and Geno Smith as his starting qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Matt Millen would be an upgrade. At least he drafts offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Randy Rasmussen said: Question is who is he going to hire to make his draft picks for him? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Literally 70% of the posters on this messageboard can draft better than McCags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Randy Rasmussen said: Really how much worse can it get we are staring 3-13 in the face. How much worse is 1-15 or 0-16? Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Let's ask the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: Let's ask the Giants. The team that’s going to win as many or more games than us? You are in Mac/Bowles defense overload today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Let's see where we're at come January. If this continues and we finish 3-13 then I don't see any way that we can keep anybody. 6-10 and I think Mac will stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Randy Rasmussen said: Not too much difference between Mac and Idzik Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Still trying to figure out how Mac is sooooo much better than Idzik Similar crappy draft records. Mac has had more years to screw up and we will be 3-13 2 years after the “true rebuild” started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Philc1 said: The team that’s going to win as many or more games than us? You are in Mac/Bowles defense overload today AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think that? I have said that I wavered on Mac and Bowles can go elsewhere. I go by fair play and the facts. I can see advantages to keeping Macc and I can see advantages to firing him. That's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, BigRy56 said: Let's see where we're at come January. If this continues and we finish 3-13 then I don't see any way that we can keep anybody. 6-10 and I think Mac will stay Where are we getting 3 wins from on our schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Philc1 said: Still trying to figure out how Mac is sooooo much better than Idzik Similar crappy draft records. Mac has had more years to screw up and we will be 3-13 2 years after the “true rebuild” started The hatred of Jamal Adams is just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 12, 2018 Author Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think that? I have said that I wavered on Mac and Bowles can go elsewhere. I go by fair play and the facts. I can see advantages to keeping Macc and I can see advantages to firing him. That's the way it is. Use the giants to deflect from your two heroes Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Just now, Philc1 said: Use the giants to deflect from your two heroes Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb No wonder I blocked you before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Where are we getting 3 wins from on our schedule? I didn't say we were going to finish 6-10 but hopefully we do because that means Darnold is dragging us through the mud. I can see us winning the next Buffalo game and one of either HOU/TEN... 5-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 New Year's Eve 2018 Im hoping is going to be whole sale Firings at 1 Jets Drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: No wonder I blocked you before. Giants won last night btw. That dumpster fire will equal or better our dumpster fire’s 3 wins So you better block me again if you continue to defend Bowles and Mike Macagnan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, UnitedWhofans said: AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think that? I have said that I wavered on Mac and Bowles can go elsewhere. I go by fair play and the facts. I can see advantages to keeping Macc and I can see advantages to firing him. That's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted November 13, 2018 Author Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 hours ago, BigRy56 said: I didn't say we were going to finish 6-10 but hopefully we do because that means Darnold is dragging us through the mud. I can see us winning the next Buffalo game and one of either HOU/TEN... 5-11 I can see us getting blown out all three of those games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Neither are getting fired. They get one more year. The fans suffer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 3:21 PM, varjet said: Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember when Bradway was the GM and Tannenbaum did the contracts. One morning we woke up and Tannenbaum was the GM and Bradway was the Scouting Director. He stayed in that position a long time. In fact, Bradway was blamed for some of Idzik's picks. It would not surprise me is something similar happened with Maccagnan. I do believe that the combination of Bowles and the Johnsons affected Mac's GMing negatively. But in any event, Mac owns a very low talent roster and needs to be demoted or fired. I do think think there is an aversion to a complete redo, and keeping Mac around while potentially promoting Heimerdinger and/or bringing in a Director of Football Operations could make the front office work better. But Bowles is not working as a coach. And it is not because he can't coach at all-he did an ok job in 2015 and as a DC in 2014. He just seems too inflexible and stubborn As we all know, we are ultimately judged by the ability to delegate and build a team. It seems like Bowles was very fixated on surrounding himself with loyalists as opposed to people that would help him win. That was his undoing. Let me refresh your memory, basically ALL 10 wins were Fools Gold. I've never seen a Jet team face a more powderpuff schedule than they did in 2015, if they faced the identical schedule as they played this year the 2015 team would have won 6 games tops. Also, virtually ALL 10 wins were very difficult, against all bottom feeders they barely eked out those 10 wins, when it was time to really play ball the last week of the season to make the playoffs, Rex Ryan ran circles around Bowles strategically, with a team that was 1/2 injured, who hadn't practiced all week due to blizzards and Ryan telling them to look out for their families. Greg Salas had a field day playing WR against the "defensive genius" Bowles. Look the owners don't have the slightest clue what they're doing, how much more evidence do you need? Going to some consulting firm like they have to hire some financial professional, then asking some windbag like Casserly as to whom to hire (Belichick about Casserly: He hasn't been right about anything in years). They ONLY act when the Embarrassment Meter is pegged to close to breaking, right now, this second, they're basically in hiding. The Jets will NEVER win as long as they own the team, just as the Mets will never win as long as their owners own the team, just as the Knicks will never win as long as their owner owns the team.....just watch all the action and awful football like you're watching a COMEDY, much less painful. Or better yet, don't watch at all. I heard a good point made tonight. If they REALLY cared about Bowles like they say they do..they'd fire him, for his own good, the pressure would be totally off the guy, he's not a Head Coach, that was obvious YEARS ago (Giants see that, they cut bait...quickly, not these clueless guys), now he has 6 whole weeks to run a gauntlet and take huge heat and abuse from the media, the fans, you name it, and he's getting fired anyway after the year is over. The Johnson's know this much, their team won't have 12 fans left of Bowles is standing on the sideline Week 1 in 2019, so why keep him as a lame duck? For continuity as they claim? Continuity of what? They just had street FA's drop 40 points on their "defensive genius", he wouldn't know Offense if it were an alarm clock on full blast. He's already responsible for Darnold getting hurt, playing not only a garbage Vet, but a garbage Vet who is HURT haha (that's another one of his MOs, play every vet no matter how bad they play, to try to divert criticsm from himself). It's not all his fault by a long-shot. Maccagnan should be fired the same day, roster is worse now then when he took over 4 YEARS ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 The entire roster surrounding Sam sucks. Mac built that roster he has to goHerndon has looked pretty decent this season no? Robbie has been decent through the years even if I believe he is a one trick pony. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 3:59 PM, Philc1 said: Sell me on why Mike Macagnan gets to pick his own coaching staff after getting 4 years to produce a bottom 3 roster Not until you sell me on this "purge" of which you speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 4:06 PM, Philc1 said: I think Parcells wants nothing to do with the jets. Hopefully he does I’d kill to have him back even in just an advisory role to hire a new GM Why? He was a ******* horror at "buying the groceries" and he personally rubber stamped Bowles, Sparano (RIP), Bradway, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Why? He was a ******* horror at "buying the groceries" and he personally rubber stamped Bowles, Sparano (RIP), Bradway, etc. Rumor has it that at a Jets fan event (BBQ), Mac bought veggie burgers and expired cheese. Completely forgot condiments. Ruined the whole thing. Much like with this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetgreen13 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 4:11 PM, Jetsplayer21 said: Mac would rather have “ bpa” at those positions then have 2nd, 3rd best pass rusher, WR.. the real important positions & ownership rewarded him with an extension.. #ownership.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 On 11/12/2018 at 6:39 PM, UnitedWhofans said: AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You actually think that? I have said that I wavered on Mac and Bowles can go elsewhere. I go by fair play and the facts. I can see advantages to keeping Macc and I can see advantages to firing him. That's the way it is. How many times last season did you tell us that "at least we're not the Browns." How is that working out for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 There is not a team that's done a worse job of identifying talent over Mac's tenure than he has. Prove me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 33 minutes ago, jetgreen13 said: & ownership rewarded him with an extension.. #ownership.. Extension in the technical sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgivs21 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I've said it in other threads - Mac has done a good job of finding guys who are good back end rotational players, but he has failed to find guys who are real impact players. So I can see an argument for keeping him around for another year. HOWEVER, if you do keep him, you run a huge risk of hiring a new coach & then firing his GM after 1 year. Who do you attract as GM when there is a coach in place who he did not have approval on? I think Mac needs to go too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, TeddEY said: How many times last season did you tell us that "at least we're not the Browns." How is that working out for you? Very well thank you. The Browns despite having more talent than the Jets do do not have the wins to match it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: Very well thank you. The Browns despite having more talent than the Jets do do not have the wins to match it. So, the Browns have more talent, a better record, and a head to head win against the Jets, but the Jets are better. Got it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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