Popular Post KRL Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 If you're looking for the usual "the sky is falling", "fire everybody" hot takes after a Jet loss you're looking in the wrong place. BAL is the superior team and on their way to being the #1 seed in the AFC. The Jets are not that!!! To me yesterday's game was an opportunity to see if progress had been made since their last national tv game (NE) which was a disaster. The final score (42-21) won't show it but the Jets "punched above their weight" for 40 minutes before their roster issues (talent level), injuries and mistakes doomed them: Special Teams - For the first time since Mike Westhoff was in his prime the return game was fantastic. Ty Montgomery (4 ret / 23 yd avg) and Vyncint Smith (3 ret / 28 yd avg) gouged BAL on every KO return. And Braxton Berrios (3 ret / 16 yd avg) was excellent on punts as he didn't pull a "Jeremy Kerley" and made the first tackler miss repeatedly - Great job by Tarell Basham on the punt block that led to a scoop & score by BJ Bello - Hopefully Sam Ficken enjoyed his time as "hero" after the MIA game because he was back to being inconsistent. Granted his miss on the 49 yarder was tipped but he missed another XP, which can't happen Defense - No love for the defense today. BAL gouged them on their first three drives of the game for 21 points. Give them credit for stabilizing and stopping BAL on three drives that stretched from the end of the first half to the 3rd quarter which kept the game close Offense - This game turned from the 9:40 mark in the second quarter until the 5:20 mark in the third quarter. The score was 21-7 for that entire period but the offense had too many missed opportunities: * A turnover on downs in the red zone, to me Peters held Robby Anderson but they didn't call it * On the final drive of the half Jeff Smith beat the CB on a wheel route but slowed down as Sam Darnold rolled out, causing the throw to be 1-2 yards too long for a TD * On the same drive Darnold then throws an INT which takes points off the board * Finally, Darnold fumbles in the pocket setting BAL up to score again putting the game out of reach 28-7 - Excellent job by the OLine as they held up against BAL blitzes and were able to open holes in the run game. Nice wrinkle by Adam Gase to go with a "jumbo OLine" as he deployed Connor McDermott as an extra TE/OT. It helped in keeping Darnold clean but it did take one eligible receiver out of the play - A solid effort by LeVeon Bell (21 car / 87 yds) as the rushing offense was able to chew up clock and keep BAL defense honest - Good games by the WR's as they went up against a strong BAL secondary: * Jamison Crowder: 6 rec / 90 yds / 2 TD * Robby Anderson: 4 rec / 66 yds * Vyncint Smith: 3 rec / 40 yds. His size, speed, balance and run after catch is growing on me - Sam Darnold's two turnovers cost the team 10-14 points. His INT took at least a FG off the board and his fumble set BAL up for a TD. Was the INT because of a miscommunication with Daniel Brown (instead of Ryan Griffin)? And I was surprised by his fumble, he's really cleaned that up since his USC days. Now that we've dealt with his mistakes let's give him credit for his improvement since the NE "ghost" game. Darnold (18/32, 218 yds, 2 TD) was much more "settled" in the pocket as BAL brought pressure. For the most part he was able to progress through his receivers, step into his throws and be fairly accurate The Jets are now 4-2 in the second half of the season with PIT and BUF remaining. Neither team is as good as BAL, let's get some injured players back, continue to improve and finish the season strong 19 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nico002 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 Sam Darnold is being judged like Tiger Woods is on the PGA tour. Perfection or bust. ”I thought he cleaned up he’s fumbles”. He did... bruh... he’s allowed to fumble every once in a while, EVERY QB fumbles... he’s proven that most of the time when hit, he won’t fumble. by the way he was down by contact. He threw a pick after Robby Anderson and smith missed opportunities to score. If we are asking a 22 year old to have to score three times to get one TD (he had two score twice to get 1 in the previous drive)... there are going to be some forced throws. 11 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chrebetfan80 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, KRL said: If you're looking for the usual "the sky is falling", "fire everybody" hot takes after a Jet loss you're looking in the wrong place. BAL is the superior team and on their way to being the #1 seed in the AFC. The Jets are not that!!! To me yesterday's game was an opportunity to see if progress had been made since their last national tv game (NE) which was a disaster. The final score (42-21) won't show it but the Jets "punched above their weight" for 40 minutes before their roster issues (talent level), injuries and mistakes doomed them: Special Teams - For the first time sine Mike Westhoff was in his prime the return game was fantastic. Ty Montgomery (4 ret / 23 yd avg) and Vyncint Smith (3 ret / 28 yd avg) gouged BAL on every KO return. And Braxton Berrios (3 ret / 16 yd avg) was excellent on punts as he didn't pull a "Jeremy Kerley" and made the first tackler miss repeatedly - Great job by Tarell Basham on the punt block that led to a scoop & score by BJ Bello - Hopefully Sam Ficken enjoyed his time as "hero" after the MIA game because he was back to being inconsistent. Granted his miss on the 49 yarder was tipped but he missed another XP, which can't happen Defense - No love for the defense today. BAL gouged them on their first three drives of the game for 21 points. Give them credit for stabilizing and stopping BAL on three drives that stretched from the end of the first half to the 3rd quarter which kept the game close Offense - This game turned from the 9:40 mark in the second quarter until the 5:20 mark in the third quarter. The score was 21-7 for that entire period but the offense had too many missed opportunities: * A turnover on downs in the red zone, to me Peters held Robby Anderson but they didn't call it * On the final drive of the half Jeff Smith beat the CB on a wheel route but slowed down as Sam Darnold rolled out, causing the throw to be 1-2 yards too long for a TD * On the same drive Darnold then throws an INT which takes points off the board * Finally, Darnold fumbles in the pocket setting BAL up to score again putting the game out of reach 28-7 - Excellent job by the OLine as they held up against BAL blitzes and were able to open holes in the run game. Nice wrinkle by Adam Gase to go with a "jumbo OLine" as he deployed Connor McDermott as an extra TE/OT. It helped in keeping Darnold clean but it did take one eligible receiver out of the play - A solid effort by LeVeon Bell (21 car / 87 yds) as the rushing offense was able to chew up clock and keep BAL defense honest - Good games by the WR's as they went up against a strong BAL secondary: * Jamison Crowder: 6 rec / 90 yds / 2 TD * Robby Anderson: 4 rec / 66 yds * Vyncint Smith: 3 rec / 40 yds. His size, speed, balance and run after catch is growing on me - Sam Darnold's two turnovers cost the team 10-14 points. His INT took at least a FG off the board and his fumble set BAL up for a TD. Was the INT because of a miscommunication with Daniel Brown (instead of Ryan Griffin)? And I was surprised by his fumble, he's really cleaned that up since his USC days. Now that we've dealt with his mistakes let's give him credit for his improvement since the NE "ghost" game. Darnold (18/32, 218 yds, 2 TD) was much more "settled" in the pocket as BAL brought pressure. For the most part he was able to progress through his receivers, step into his throws and be fairly accurate The Jets are now 4-2 in the second half of the season with PIT and BUF remaining. Neither team is as good as BAL, let's get some injured players back, continue to improve and finish the season strong Great job. I knew youd appreciate the return game in this one, they honestly were the best part of the team outside of Ficken. Offensively some things were clicking and some things not so much. For a stretch sam started to throw off his back foot instead of standing and delivering in the face of the rush which also caused some missed opportunities, not unfixable though as the second td to crowder he stood tall in the pocket and delivered a good ball knowing he would take a hit. He just needs to improve his consistency. They's found something in the run game finally and its basically a mix of things that gase likes and that the line is good at. They are still primarily inside zone (we saw a lot of this last week agaisnt the dolphins) and it was back again this week with good success, bell looked much more decisive on his cuts and popped one or two runs for a decent gains. The other thing is they started running just straight power (down down kick out wrap through) and that was having some success punching through as alex lewis did a nice job coming around and gettin the play side LB. The jets had way more success offensively than i thought they would agaisnt baltimore and Gase deserves some credit here for his play calling especially early on, on some of those 3rd and longs, jets were possibly the best they've been all year this game on 3rd down. So kudos to finding things that work and getting a rhythm going in spurts 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, nico002 said: Sam Darnold is being judged like Tiger Woods in on the PGA tour. ”I thought he cleaned up he’s fumbles”. He did... bruh... he’s allowed to fumble every once in a while, EVERY QB fumbles... by the way he was down by contact. He threw a pick after Robby Anderson and smith missed opportunities to score. If we are asking a 22 year old to have to score three times to get one TD... there are going to be some forced throws. Are your glasses rosy or green? The ******* guy fumbled. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nico002 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, #27TheDominator said: Are your glasses rosy or green? The ******* guy fumbled. I thought he was down... whatever. My point stands even if he DID fumble. Do you expect him to never fumble again in his career? What the **** are we talking about here? He was blind sided by a free rusher and fumbled (Debatable) ... ok? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChuckkieB Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 Darnold is the real deal and cannot be expected to win games all by himself. I thought he did a good job of standing tall in the pocket when he had to and scrambled well when it was necessary. His feet were not as "happy" as they have been previously. He's gotten better the second half of the season. He is a year younger than the likely Heisman trophy winner this year. A better roster in 2020 will prove Darnold is legit once and for all. 8 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Nice stuff as usual KRL. Good to see there are still realistic takes out there. The constant "sky is falling" mantra is quite old and tiresome. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Look I knew that last night was gonna be rough. But I must say the offense did really come to play in the first half. The 3rd quarter was rough but then they still didn't give up which I like. defense obviously is decimated by injuries and it showed but I do give them credit in the 3rd quarter for making some stops and giving us a small chance at least. Sam I thought had a good game. he made one bad throw. The fumble im not gonna blame hm because I thought he was down plys he had no time to react when Wesco got abused. The pick was bad but it seemed like iscommunication with the tight end who maybe made the wrong route or didn't turn around. Either way it was a mistake on sam's art which is something that he needs to fix. Other than that I liked what I saw despite the pressure he was always under. I love Crowder what a great pick up he was. Robby needs to stay too. It sucks that we don't have a kicke. the game really should have been 21-13going into halftime but we obviously cant trust the kicker. I Know Lamar Jackson is getting most of the praise and I understand that he deserves it BUT its also important to remember that he has a great team arund him who protect him and will make the catches all the time. Not taking anything away from Lamar but its completely night and day to out situation wher we have a talented young QB but not muchsupport or protection. That is something Douglas needs to learn from the mistakesof the previous GM. OLINE is the most important objective as well as finding at least 2 more good weapons for Sam 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 That 4th down play just highlights the fact that this team is limited in what it can do with its receivers. Anderson isn’t the guy you want running that route in the end zone. The Jets didn’t have a viable red zone receiver on the field last night. It’s tough getting by with slots and deep threats inside the 20. Hopefully we’ll see a better group next year. As far as Gase goes, does he ever run outside the tackles? Ever? I get the O line isn’t great, but look at how the defenses are stacking the box, not only are there 8 guys up but they are all between the tackles. It’s just so predictable. It’s maddening to watch and he simply doesn’t adjust his game plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chrebetfan80 said: They's found something in the run game this. lev bell can be productive if the block this well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 btw, people were skewering gase cos we passed on 4th and short. frgettig how they howled whne we ran and got stuffed. jetnation at its best. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Losmeister said: this. lev bell can be productive if the block this well. i will say ive talked to numerous people and a lot think he's lost a step. Not quite the quick burst he's had in years past. This game was the closest ive seen to him being back to where he was. Could just be about geling with the Oline or just getting re adjusted to NFL life, but definitely looked better this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jets723 said: I Know Lamar Jackson is getting most of the praise and I understand that he deserves it BUT its also important to remember that he has a great team arund him no one was calling a 4-5 team great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WowOhWow Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Thank you for the write up. I personally felt the game was close to unwatchable. Although the defense stiffened they did so after getting gouged in embarrassing fashion. The game was over early in the first half. The game was never in doubt and we were non competitive again. Thank you for finding silver linings and things the team is doing OK. Candidly, the things we're doing OK are table stakes items any professional football team should be doing. Unfortunately, we celebrate them. The teams terrible play all around is making it very hard to actually gauge whether a player/coach is worth keeping and progressing. My observation is that when we face any competition at all we are outclassed and the games are non competitive and I think the best course (although it won't happen, I get it) is to reboot and change the HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Chrebetfan80 said: i will say ive talked to numerous people and a lot think he's lost a step. Not quite the quick burst he's had in years past. This game was the closest ive seen to him being back to where he was. Could just be about geling with the Oline or just getting re adjusted to NFL life, but definitely looked better this game. A lot comes into play with Bell. Is he in football shape. Is he injured. The OL does not run black well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Chrebetfan80 said: i will say ive talked to numerous people and a lot think he's lost a step. Not quite the quick burst he's had in years past. This game was the closest ive seen to him being back to where he was. Could just be about geling with the Oline or just getting re adjusted to NFL life, but definitely looked better this game. he also bunged his knee somewhere in there if i recall. the keep him/tryda move him is an interesting one. aikman was saying his routes looked not as good as a recieveer. (not agreeeing or disagreeeing) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Grandy Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 Darnold is only the 2nd QB this year to throw for 2 TD passes against the Ravens (the other is Mahomes) With our o line and receiving core in the gutter, that's actually really impressive. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Grandy said: Darnold is only the 2nd QB this year to throw for 2 TD passes against the Ravens (the other is Mahomes) With our o line and receiving core in the gutter, that's actually really impressive. Agreed but some just focus on the one bad throw he made lol 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Grandy said: Darnold is only the 2nd QB this year to throw for 2 TD passes against the Ravens (the other is Mahomes) With our o line and receiving core in the gutter, that's actually really impressive. should have been 3 with the non PI call on robbie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joejet Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Thank you for the post KRL. You are the best read on this site. I find your posts to be both fair and insightful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I thought Darnold held up well, especially considering after Crowder and Anderson his options were Brown, V. Smith and J. Smith. The interception in the 2nd qtr was bad, but never happens if J. Smith doesn't stop his route on the first play of the drive. If he runs, we're talking about a 21-14 game at the half. I'm also going to give Darnold the benefit of the doubt and say that our 3rd string TE ran the wrong route which led to the pick...although Darnold being the leader he is, would never say that and took all the blame when talking to the media after the game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: should have been 3 with the non PI call on robbie. Maybe 4. Smith stopped running for reasons I still don't know otherwise he had a TD. I think that really pissed Sam off and might have bene a reason he forced that throw which led to the pick 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 14 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: I thought Darnold held up well, especially considering after Crowder and Anderson his options were Brown, V. Smith and J. Smith. The interception in the 2nd qtr was bad, but never happens if J. Smith doesn't stop his route on the first play of the drive. If he runs, we're talking about a 21-14 game at the half. I'm also going to give Darnold the benefit of the doubt and say that our 3rd string TE ran the wrong route which led to the pick...although Darnold being the leader he is, would never say that and took all the blame when talking to the media after the game. exactly. Ive noticed usually when Sam throws a bad pick directly before that there is a big drop or a missed route by the reciver. Now Sam still needs to learn to not force it in there I get that but I think he feels he needs to do too much. Tahts why we really need to hit a homerun this offseason in regards to better protection and at least a couple more weapons 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jets723 said: exactly. Ive noticed usually when Sam throws a bad pick directly before that there is a big drop or a missed route by the reciver. Now Sam still needs to learn to not force it in there I get that but I think he feels he needs to do too much. Tahts why we really need to hit a homerun this offseason in regards to better protection and at least a couple more weapons yep, he definitely wants to get it back quickly. like in miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 We really should not be surprised by the performances yesterday. This was a ridiculously tough spot for a banged up defense. Short week to prepare for a really good and unique Baltimore offense when we had second stringers playing everywhere. This was almost an impossible spot -- would have been nice if we could have forced some FGs when they got into the RZ to make them play 4 quarters. But reallly can't complain too much about the game last night. Tough to watch at times, but we were outmanned on defense and while we did some good things offensively, we were just too inconsistent to keep up with Balt. We lost to what is probably the best team in the AFC, in thier building, on a short week. We missed some opprotuntiies to keep it a little closer which was frustrating, But I wasn't surprised. We are clearly not at their level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Look, I want Darnold to complete 100% of his passes and throw 50 TD's with 0 INT's. But when evaluating him I'm not going to avoid/overlook his mistakes, that's not being fair. He's grown this year no matter what some "experts" or fans want to say. Now Douglas/Gase have to revamp the OLine and running scheme to make it easier on Darnold. Also, he needs to stay away from infectious diseases which disrupted the season from the beginning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Was the Smith "miss" where he slowed down(let's be real, he completely stopped) the same drive where Sam threw the pick? Just curious, as there seems to be a bit of a pattern developing(in my recollection at least) that some of his most inexcusable turnovers come after a big play near Miss. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said: Was the Smith "miss" where he slowed down(let's be real, he completely stopped) the same drive where Sam through the pick? Just curious, as there seems to be a bit of a pattern developing(in my recollection at least) that some of his most inexcusable turnovers come after a big play near Miss. It was the same drive. Darnold was annoyed after the miss, the replay showed it clearly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets723 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, KRL said: It was the same drive. Darnold was annoyed after the miss, the replay showed it clearly Absolutely. Sam was pissed and cant blame him. However Sam still needs to forget about it and not force it. I think thsta been the issue with Sam's bad throws. usualy right before a bad pick there is a drop by a receiver or somebody either missed a route or like last night stopped for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I was actually more encouraged by the loss this week than the win last week. The oline actually looked semi-decent - or at least better than amateur hour. Sam looked good in the pocket - stayed when he should, moved as appropriate, and not afraid to take a hit. Delivered lots of balls confidently and accurately, and was able to make some plays against this tough defense with his extremely limited receivers. The pick was bad, but at least it wasn't a misread defense or a panicky OMG what are you doing throw - there was clearly miscommunication, and it's not like I'm afraid it's going to become a habit. The loss shows what we all know - that there are *major* talent deficiencies (especially with all the injuries). We just have to hope we have a really good offseason, and everyone gets healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrebetfan80 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 57 minutes ago, Grandy said: and it should have been 3 possibly more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 my bold/italics. It looks to me that SAM DOESN:T WANT/NEED YOUR EXCUSES “I need to continue to play smart,” Darnold said. “No matter what the scenario is. I have to play smart at all times. When you slip up in the NFL you get exposed. For me, I have to continue to play ball. Not have those critical one or two mistakes a game.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jets723 said: Absolutely. Sam was pissed and cant blame him. However Sam still needs to forget about it and not force it. I think thsta been the issue with Sam's bad throws. usualy right before a bad pick there is a drop by a receiver or somebody either missed a route or like last night stopped for no reason. It's not clear to me that his pick was him "forcing" it. He wasn't really under pressure, and he calmly delivered a nice ball - right to a sea of Ravens. No Jet in the area. And it looks like the ball went right where he wanted it to go. So I think it was just a bad miscommunication, not necessarily related to what had come before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Solid Postgame analysis KRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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