Giving QW some love, his sack prevented a sure 13-13 tie

[jetstream23]

I think part of the calculus was Macc hoping that he'd found what he thought he was getting with Leo originally.  Macc probably knew the Jets would try to trade Leo for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and not pay him, so the stars aligned (unfortunately) in his mind to get another Leo but with serious pass rush ability.  Unfortunately, he just got another Leo (with no better pass rush) so far.  We have to give Q another year where hopefully he learns, gets stronger and isn't hampered by injuries.  He's definitely not a bust but there's a good chance we have Leo 2.0 here and he could follow the same path of being a good player who isn't much of a difference-maker and that we try to trade before his last season.  Hope I'm wrong.

[Losmeister]

5 hours ago, Paradis said:

wow, we have entire threads dedicated to 1 unblocked sack.

I'm gonna go back to jerking off to bushy 70s porn. You let me know when QW shows up for real. I might have made it to the 80s by then. 

pretty sure Jamal had a dedicated thread on how he won the Dallas game by coming thru the line unblocked to register a QB pressure on the 2 pts conversion attempt.

Lumme some bush.

 

[Paradis]

3 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

pretty sure Jamal had a dedicated thread on how he won the Dallas game by coming thru the line unblocked to register a QB pressure on the 2 pts conversion attempt.

Lumme some bush.

 

What a cutie. I'd put my nose right in there. 

I think my "broad brush" point regarding QW is clear enough... 

[ZachEY]

1 hour ago, phill1c said:

Unless you have some sort of crystal ball (or even comments supporting your OPINION) I think we each have our opinions and neither can be proved.

That said, it's a forum and the negativity on this thread holds no persistent interest to me. So, you win!!

I have league-wide draft history, every Q. Williams scouting report, and the fact that he's about 40-50 pounds light for a 3-4 run stuffer, but yeah, these are both equally valid "opinions."  Definitely.

[Joejet]

2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

I think part of the calculus was Macc hoping that he'd found what he thought he was getting with Leo originally.  Macc probably knew the Jets would try to trade Leo for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and not pay him, so the stars aligned (unfortunately) in his mind to get another Leo but with serious pass rush ability.  Unfortunately, he just got another Leo (with no better pass rush) so far.  We have to give Q another year where hopefully he learns, gets stronger and isn't hampered by injuries.  He's definitely not a bust but there's a good chance we have Leo 2.0 here and he could follow the same path of being a good player who isn't much of a difference-maker and that we try to trade before his last season.  Hope I'm wrong.

So Mac was doing calculus while the rest of us were doing basic math, no wonder why we didn’t understand his moves!

[phill1c]

1 hour ago, TeddEY said:

I have league-wide draft history, every Q. Williams scouting report, and the fact that he's about 40-50 pounds light for a 3-4 run stuffer, but yeah, these are both equally valid "opinions."  Definitely.

I'm in awe. thanks for letting me know who I was talking to.

PFF gives him a 69.1 grade. Should I tell them to scrap their system and go with yours?

if I may, it also matters who drafted him and the defense they drafted him to play vs. who is playing him now and how this guy is playing him, which is as part of a rotation of fatties, any of whom make plays on any given day.

[ZachEY]

23 minutes ago, phill1c said:

I'm in awe. thanks for letting me know who I was talking to.

PFF gives him a 69.1 grade. Should I tell them to scrap their system and go with yours?

if I may, it also matters who drafted him and the defense they drafted him to play vs. who is playing him now and how this guy is playing him, which is as part of a rotation of fatties, any of whom make plays on any given day.

What does PFF's grading system have to do with the fact that QW wasn't drafted to be a run stuffer?

[Snell41]

QW is a DT we drafted highly after drafting failed ones after another after another while ignoring glaring holes. QW was drafted 3rd overall and is making a minimal impact relative to his draft position. QW is now being described by his supporters as someone who needs to mature physically in the hopes of becoming great, in other words a project. He has zero business being on this team. Zero. But that’s not his fault.

What QW is not right now? Great. He’s avg. We have a history in this, he will be a very good run stopper that is lucky to get 5 sacks per year.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[Thai Jet]

4 hours ago, Paradis said:

Why does the future look bright? If i sold you this year 1 of QW last April 0/10000 fans would have said -- yea ok. lets take him. zero. none... now in the crosshairs of a wasted pick, who couldn't beat out a late rounder with a name no one can pronounce - the future looks bright?

Explain. 

Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.

[Paradis]

42 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

Opinions are like aholes, everyone has one.

and I'm asking for you to elaborate. You said - the future looks bright... but that's apparently based on visions you've had while spirit questing near joshua tree. I'm listening, my friend. Walk me through it. 

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, Snell41 said:

QW is a DT we drafted highly after drafting failed ones after another after another while ignoring glaring holes. QW was drafted 3rd overall and is making a minimal impact relative to his draft position. QW is now being described by his supporters as someone who needs to mature physically in the hopes of becoming great, in other words a project. He has zero business being on this team. Zero. But that’s not his fault.

What QW is not right now? Great. He’s avg. We have a history in this, he will be a very good run stopper that is lucky to get 5 sacks per year.
 

I love you. 

[GREENBEAN]

My point is everyone does that. Why are there no threads pumping up Phillips, Foley, Mcclendon, or Shepard who have all been better than this can't miss prospect? He's been horrible for the third overall pick....just not on the level of Gholston bad.
If someone didn't follow the draft and it was mentioned that Phillips was the third overall selection instead of Q most casual fans wouldn't even notice. Some here might even call it a great pick.
 

Not a bad point and I get it.

The only thing I’ll add is that Q has more sacks then both of those guys. .
Tied for 3rd on the team he is.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

[pdxgreen]

Watching the BB and Saban doc:

Belicheck:  Who is you're best player?

Saban:  Jonah Williams and the Defensive Lineman.

Just sayin.'  Saban says he always tell the truth about his players' pro potential.

[Philc1]

6 hours ago, pdxgreen said:

Watching the BB and Saban doc:

Belicheck:  Who is you're best player?

Saban:  Jonah Williams and the Defensive Lineman.

Just sayin.'  Saban says he always tell the truth about his players' pro potential.

No love for Jonah and his glass shoulder?

[Thai Jet]

15 hours ago, Paradis said:

and I'm asking for you to elaborate. You said - the future looks bright... but that's apparently based on visions you've had while spirit questing near joshua tree. I'm listening, my friend. Walk me through it. 

NOT playing your game. If you want to be the negative Nancy fine. For me the glass is always half full.

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, Thai Jet said:

NOT playing your game. If you want to be the negative Nancy fine. For me the glass is always half full.

I dunno dude. I heart you, and would give you a big xmas hug with a kiss on the cheek....

but i'll still ask why you say the future looks bright... it looks like he shouldn't have been 3rd pick in the draft is what it looks like. It looks like we should have listened to me and went with Allen, or Oliver if need be... it looks like, QW is gonna have to do a lot of work this offseason just to avoid the bust label.

So you can imagine my curiosity at such a curious remark. 

[MicDrass1]

Only draft Alabama Wrs or Rbs.  Say no to Alabama DL and Ol players.  Bigger and stronger than 99.9 college players but not Nfl players.  Mentally weak once they get to nfl bc don’t dominate anymore.  Stay away. 

[FidelioJet]

20 hours ago, Snell41 said:

QW is a DT we drafted highly after drafting failed ones after another after another while ignoring glaring holes. QW was drafted 3rd overall and is making a minimal impact relative to his draft position. QW is now being described by his supporters as someone who needs to mature physically in the hopes of becoming great, in other words a project. He has zero business being on this team. Zero. But that’s not his fault.

What QW is not right now? Great. He’s avg. We have a history in this, he will be a very good run stopper that is lucky to get 5 sacks per year.


Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app

I could almost write the script right now...toward the end of next year, when he’s not getting any penetration - with very few sacks - you’ll start to hear how he’s always double teamed and that’s why - and that him being double teamed is the reason the other guys are good.  Hence he’s great.

 

[Jetsfan80]

NOT playing your game. If you want to be the negative Nancy fine. For me the glass is always half full.

It’d be nice if the Jets rewarded that optimism once in a while. I’m an optimist too, believe it or not.

[Jets723]

Not trying I make excuses for QW but I do think injuries may have played a factor this year.  I still expected more but I still feel he is gonna have a much better second year

[#90]

You mean Vernon Gholston II?

[pdxgreen]

35 minutes ago, #90 said:

You mean Vernon Gholston II?