McShays Latest Mock

[choon328]

I normally wouldn't put much into these mock drafts but Mcshay and Joe Douglas are best friends and former college roommates.  I for sure am going to be following McShays mock drafts a little more than usual.  He has the Jets taking Jeudy after 3 OT's (Becton, Wirfs, Wills) go right before them.

[British Jet]

Sold. 

[Bergen Jet]

As much as I want the best tackle taken, I would love if one of the two top WRs fell to us.  

[Greenseed4]

1 minute ago, Bergen Jet said:

As much as I want the best tackle taken, I would love if one of the two top WRs fell to us.  

I haven’t seen any scenarios where they don’t fall to us. 

[Jethead]

Where's Thomas? Makes no sense.

[Augustiniak]

i think the crazy thing about his mock is he has andrew thomas going 29.  if that's closer to what his grade is, the jets could well be taking a wr in the first rather than reaching for a tackle but that would sure put a lot of pressure on them to fix the OL, especially if they didn't land conklin.

[Sarge4Tide]

If we take a WR at 11, depending on what happens in Free Agency, we need to take OL with 2 of the next 3 picks IMHO, even if we have to reach a bit

[Mo Lew]

if it fell this way we should do whatever we could to trade back into the first to grab Thomas.  Give me Jeudy and Thomas and its already the best draft we've had in 10 years. 

[choon328]

5 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

i think the crazy thing about his mock is he has andrew thomas going 29.  if that's closer to what his grade is, the jets could well be taking a wr in the first rather than reaching for a tackle but that would sure put a lot of pressure on them to fix the OL, especially if they didn't land conklin.

I have a feeling, and its just a feeling, that Mcshay may know more about the Jets FA plans and who they're going to go after than we know.  His mock could lead you to believe he thinks the Jets will acquire two tackles prior to the draft like Vaitai and Conklin which would take the Jets out of the tackle market. 

[section314]

9 minutes ago, choon328 said:

I normally wouldn't put much into these mock drafts but Mcshay and Joe Douglas are best friends and former college roommates.  I for sure am going to be following McShays mock drafts a little more than usual.  He has the Jets taking Jeudy after 3 OT's (Becton, Wirfs, Wills) go right before them.

If that's the case, maybe he knows JD not a Thomas fan?

[Sarge4Tide]

If we take Jeudy and don't re-sign Anderson (and assuming Enunwa is done), our Top 6 WRs would be.......

1. Jerry Jeudy
2. Jamison Crowder
3. Vyncint Smith
4. Josh Doctson
5. Josh Bellamy
6. Braxton Berrios

[section314]

3 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

If we take Jeudy and don't re-sign Anderson (and assuming Enunwa is done), our Top 6 WRs would be.......

1. Jerry Jeudy
2. Jamison Crowder
3. Vyncint Smith
4. Josh Doctson
5. Josh Bellamy
6. Braxton Berrios

If this is who we roll with, Herndon becomes absolutely vital.

[Wonderboy]

2 minutes ago, Sarge4Tide said:

If we take Jeudy and don't re-sign Anderson (and assuming Enunwa is done), our Top 6 WRs would be.......

1. Jerry Jeudy
2. Jamison Crowder
3. Vyncint Smith
4. Josh Doctson
5. Josh Bellamy
6. Braxton Berrios

Bellamy won’t be resigned. And JD will grab 2 WR’s in this draft. He has to. There’s just to much value at the position and we Desperately need quality WR’s for Sam. 

[Wonderboy]

Just now, section314 said:

If this is who we roll with, Herndon becomes absolutely vital.

Can’t wait to get Herndon back. He had an uncanny connection with Sam. 

[Augustiniak]

10 minutes ago, choon328 said:

I have a feeling, and its just a feeling, that Mcshay may know more about the Jets FA plans and who they're going to go after than we know.  His mock could lead you to believe he thinks the Jets will acquire two tackles prior to the draft like Vaitai and Conklin which would take the Jets out of the tackle market. 

or it could be that the way mcshay has graded the tackles, thomas is closer to a late 1st round grade rather than a top 10 grade and the jets would be better off drafting an OT in the 2nd round if that's the way it shakes out.  it also probably factors into, like you wrote, that mcshay knows about the jets FA plans and implies the jets will not keep anderson.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

McShay is blowing smoke for Joe.

[section314]

12 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Bellamy won’t be resigned. And JD will grab 2 WR’s in this draft. He has to. There’s just to much value at the position and we Desperately need quality WR’s for Sam. 

This draft is so deep in WR's, you should not have a problem getting 2 of them. As far as FA goes, if we could come out of it with one starter at any of the 5 OL  positions, and get a legit edge guy, the draft could be used on OL, WR and a CB, and that's it.

[BigRy56]

This would be AWESOME. Jeudy is going to be a superstar

****This is assuming we grab Conklin / re-sign Beachum

[Big_Slick]

15 minutes ago, choon328 said:

I have a feeling, and its just a feeling, that Mcshay may know more about the Jets FA plans and who they're going to go after than we know.  His mock could lead you to believe he thinks the Jets will acquire two tackles prior to the draft like Vaitai and Conklin which would take the Jets out of the tackle market. 

The only FA I'd consider is Conklin and the Jets have virtually zero chance of signing him. The rest are too old and looking for a final big $$$ contract and then they will only care about their health after getting the guaranteed dollars.

JD has got to come away from this draft with a LT that could be a franchise type player. If it takes a trade up - then so be it.

[choon328]

6 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

or it could be that the way mcshay has graded the tackles, thomas is closer to a late 1st round grade rather than a top 10 grade and the jets would be better off drafting an OT in the 2nd round if that's the way it shakes out.  it also probably factors into, like you wrote, that mcshay knows about the jets FA plans and implies the jets will not keep anderson.

Even if they kept Anderson taking a WR early is necessary.  Jeudy and Anderson are completely different WR's. The Jets need an outside WR that can get open on 3rd and 7 consistently.  Anderson isn't that guy. 

[section314]

8 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Can’t wait to get Herndon back. He had an uncanny connection with Sam. 

I think he can be a real asset. Seems like he needs to grow up and start making better decisions. Talent has never been an issue.

[Wonderboy]

4 minutes ago, section314 said:

This draft is so deep in WR's, you should not have a problem getting 2 of them. As far as FA goes, if we could come out of it with one starter at any of the 5 positions, and get a legit edge guy, the draft could be used on OL, WR and a CB, and that's it.

What!!!! No defensive lineman or safety ........sacrilegious

[Beerfish]

I like both Jeudy and Lamb

If we have to take either of those players I'll be upset.

[section314]

1 minute ago, Wonderboy said:

What!!!! No defensive lineman or safety ........sacrilegious

Am now in witness protection program and living in Arizona.

[jetstream23]

30 minutes ago, Jethead said:

Where's Thomas? Makes no sense.

It's an interesting Mock.  I just read the whole thing.

The first 7 picks include 0 Offensive Tackles.  He then has AZ, JAX and CLE taking 3 straight (Becton, Wirfs and Wills) leaving the Jets with a choice of any WR or Andrew Thomas.  Jeudy and Lamb go back-to-back at 11 and 12.  Thomas doesn't go until.....wait for it......29th!  He has the Titans taking him.

I think we all need to understand what may be happening with Thomas and whether he's really the prospect that he was thought to be prior to his 2019 college season.  He was a consensus Top 5 pick heading into the college season last Summer but by many accounts he's now not even one of the Top 4 OTs.  McShay has OT Josh Jones taken ahead of him at 26 by Miami.  (Read that one again).  Miami at #26 could have taken Andrew Thomas and passed in Todd's mock draft here.

We need more info on Thomas.

[section314]

1 minute ago, jetstream23 said:

It's an interesting Mock.  I just read the whole thing.

The first 7 picks include 0 Offensive Tackles.  He then has AZ, JAX and CLE taking 3 straight (Becton, Wirfs and Wills) leaving the Jets with a choice of any WR or Andrew Thomas.  Jeudy and Lamb go back-to-back at 11 and 12.  Thomas doesn't go until.....wait for it......29th!  He has the Titans taking him.

I think we all need to understand what may be happening with Thomas and whether he's really the prospect that he was thought to be prior to his 2019 college season.  He was a consensus Top 5 pick heading into the college season last Summer but by many accounts he's now not even one of the Top 3 OTs.

Any other OT's go in this mock between 10-29?

[choon328]

8 minutes ago, Big_Slick said:

The only FA I'd consider is Conklin and the Jets have virtually zero chance of signing him. The rest are too old and looking for a final big $$$ contract and then they will only care about their health after getting the guaranteed dollars.

JD has got to come away from this draft with a LT that could be a franchise type player. If it takes a trade up - then so be it.

Vaitai is 26 and can play LT and RT. Im pretty sure Douglas drafted him in Philly. If you wanted to trade up to get the best tackle you'd have to go to 7. 11 to 7 would take your 2nd round pick this year and 2nd round pick next year. No thanks

[flgreen]

35 minutes ago, choon328 said:

I normally wouldn't put much into these mock drafts but Mcshay and Joe Douglas are best friends and former college roommates.  I for sure am going to be following McShays mock drafts a little more than usual.  He has the Jets taking Jeudy after 3 OT's (Becton, Wirfs, Wills) go right before them.

If Mcshay is using inside info that Douglas has told him in confidence in his mocks, they won't be best friends much longer.

If anything Mc shay would be helping Douglas throw smoke screens out there. 

[jetstream23]

2 minutes ago, section314 said:

Any other OT's go in this mock between 10-29?

Josh Jones at 26....just edited my post.

[pdxgreen]

Not going to believe anything I read till draft day.  One mock draft had the Patriots taking Justin Herbert at 23.

[Wonderboy]

9 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I like both Jeudy and Lamb

If we have to take either of those players I'll be upset.

Jeudy/Lamb become the pick only if JD signs a top T and the 4 best OL are gone by pick 11. The he can get another top OL prospect in round 2. Otherwise **** NO.  

[jetstream23]

1 minute ago, choon328 said:

Vaitai is 26 and can play LT and RT. Douglas drafted him in Philly. If you wanted to trade up to get the best tackle you'd have to go to 7. 11 to 7 would take your 2nd round pick this year and 2nd round pick next year. No thanks

I've been on Vaitai for a while now.  I think signing him in FA is potentially the key to our offseason and immediately gives flexibility to the Draft.  He's not a Tier 1 LT....but he's better, bigger, faster and younger than Beachum.  It would be an upgrade and Beachum has been decent for us when healthy.

Sign Vaitai for LT, sign an OG (Glasgow, Thuney, etc.), bring back Alex Lewis at the other OG spot.  Pencil in Harrison again at Center (who performed okay over the second half of the year and would look better with upgraded OGs on either side of him).  I'd try to sign a Tier 2 RT in FA to compete with Edoga.  That becomes an average/respectable OL prior to the Draft.  We go into the Draft looking for RT and Center/OG....but without needing to use the Round 1 pick on either.  If OTs go quick (Top 10) then get a WR and take a RT guy in Round 2.

 

[Augustiniak]

9 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

It's an interesting Mock.  I just read the whole thing.

The first 7 picks include 0 Offensive Tackles.  He then has AZ, JAX and CLE taking 3 straight (Becton, Wirfs and Wills) leaving the Jets with a choice of any WR or Andrew Thomas.  Jeudy and Lamb go back-to-back at 11 and 12.  Thomas doesn't go until.....wait for it......29th!  He has the Titans taking him.

I think we all need to understand what may be happening with Thomas and whether he's really the prospect that he was thought to be prior to his 2019 college season.  He was a consensus Top 5 pick heading into the college season last Summer but by many accounts he's now not even one of the Top 4 OTs.  McShay has OT Josh Jones taken ahead of him at 26 by Miami.  (Read that one again).  Miami at #26 could have taken Andrew Thomas and passed in Todd's mock draft here.

We need more info on Thomas.

i also think that the raiders are going to trade to 9 or 10, ahead of the jets, to get the wr they want - probably jeudy.  

[jetstream23]

3 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

i also think that the raiders are going to trade to 9 or 10, ahead of the jets, to get the wr they want - probably jeudy.  

That might push an OT down to the Jets....which I'd be fine with.

The key to our OT options is the following:  4-5 Defenders being taken (Young, Okudah, Simmons, Brown seem like locks), 3 QBs being taken, 1 WR being taken.  That's 8 or 9 players who are not OTs being taken.  I'd really prefer Wirfs, Becton or Wills at #11.  It's going to be dicey....but the Raiders trading up is probably a good thing.

[Chrebetfan80]

27 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

or it could be that the way mcshay has graded the tackles, thomas is closer to a late 1st round grade rather than a top 10 grade and the jets would be better off drafting an OT in the 2nd round if that's the way it shakes out.  it also probably factors into, like you wrote, that mcshay knows about the jets FA plans and implies the jets will not keep anderson.

i think this all depends on price tag, everything i've heard is they ideally want to keep him and add another wr in the first 3 rounds.  

but this all centers around the money available after hunting for combinations of conklin, thuney, vaitai, fant, and the corner market of bradbury and mills.   anderson may be priced out by the needs at other spots and the ability to draft very quality WR's through out the first 3 rounds of this draft. 

From what i've heard (and im not the end all be all of information, i just happen to get some good nuggets). the jets would ideally like to address the WR position on day 2/3 of the draft (all suspect to change based on FA shakeout).