GreekJet Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Let’s take a look at the successful NY Sports franchises Yankees-owner entrusts Brian Cashman to run baseball ops Rangers-Dolan entrust John Davidson and Jeff Gorton to run hockey ops Islanders-Lou Lamorillo Let’s look at uncessful NY sports franchises Jets-Johnson plays heavy role in football ops Giants-Mara plays heavy role in football ops Mets-Jeff Wilpon plays heavy role in baseball ops Knicks-Dolan plays heavy role in basketball ops. The Johnsons need to step away and put someone in charge of football ops. They are not qualified to hire or fire a head coach/GM and need to realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 When you buy a Ferrari with daddy's money you don't hand the keys over the the valet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, jgb said: When you buy a Ferrari with daddy's money you don't hand the keys over the the valet. Dolan did so with the Rangers. To me that’s quite the case study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I bet anything that he pats himself on the back and has a “world’s best boss” coffee mug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, GreekJet said: Dolan did so with the Rangers. To me that’s quite the case study. Cling to that if you want but the lucky sperm bros aren't letting anyone else touch their Legos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, GreekJet said: Let’s take a look at the successful NY Sports franchises Yankees-owner entrusts Brian Cashman to run baseball ops Rangers-Dolan entrust John Davidson and Jeff Gorton to run hockey ops Islanders-Lou Lamorillo Let’s look at uncessful NY sports franchises Jets-Johnson plays heavy role in football ops Giants-Mara plays heavy role in football ops Mets-Jeff Wilpon plays heavy role in baseball ops Knicks-Dolan plays heavy role in basketball ops. The Johnsons need to step away and put someone in charge of football ops. They are not qualified to hire or fire a head coach/GM and need to realize that. This is stupid. Isn’t the same issue being qualified to hire a person in charge of football ops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoot-Face Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Out of a cannon? We can dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, southtown24th said: hahaha This post goes a long way toward redeeming yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetPotato Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Rangers fans are funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 We should ask @SAR I and @southtown24th to put in a bid to buy the Jets. Because everyone knows the more you talk about how much money you have on the Internet, the more you have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, jgb said: We should ask @SAR I and @southtown24th to put in a bid to buy the Jets. Because everyone knows the more you talk about how much money you have on the Internet, the more you have. I have 0 money, for the record. I just don't like being verbally accosted by, allegedly, grown ass men. So if you want to talk sh*t, I will talk sh*t right back. It's fairly simple for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GreekJet said: Dolan did so with the Rangers. To me that’s quite the case study. And it looks like Dolan finally learned his lesson and is letting Leon Rose and Tom Thibodeau manage the Knicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, southtown24th said: I have 0 money, for the record. I just don't like being verbally accosted by, allegedly, grown ass men. So if you want to talk sh*t, I will talk sh*t right back. It's fairly simple for me... Victim card ever worked for you before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, jgb said: Cling to that if you want but the lucky sperm bros aren't letting anyone else touch their Legos. Well yeah. For all the S Dolan gets for the Knicks and deservedly so he’s actually a pretty good businessman. Woody and Chris couldn’t manage a Cinnabon without the trust fund bailing them out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southtown24th Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: Victim card ever worked for you before? I am tired. You win. Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, southtown24th said: I am tired. You win. Congratulations. Wait, you quit? Quelle surprise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Well yeah. For all the S Dolan gets for the Knicks and deservedly so he’s actually a pretty good businessman. Woody and Chris couldn’t manage a Cinnabon without the trust fund bailing them out I must quibble. The Johnsons might be the smartest NFL owners. They make more money with a flop than a hit. The Max Bialystocks of the NFL. Sure it takes total lack of shame, but the money is good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 This is another thread from 2017, you know, before we got Adam Gase and Joe Douglas to turn things around. It took Idzik and Maccagnan 10 years to put us in this hole. How 'bout we give Ga-Jo more than 1 to dig us out. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SAR I said: This is another thread from 2017, you know, before we got Adam Gase and Joe Douglas to turn things around. It took Idzik and Maccagnan 10 years to put us in this hole. How 'bout we give Ga-Jo more than 1 to dig us out. SAR I End of thread. The man himself says no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Just now, SAR I said: This is another thread from 2017, you know, before we got Adam Gase and Joe Douglas to turn things around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 38 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Well yeah. For all the S Dolan gets for the Knicks and deservedly so he’s actually a pretty good businessman. Woody and Chris couldn’t manage a Cinnabon without the trust fund bailing them out Dolan certainly outwitted them on the NYC stadium deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sonny Werblin said: Dolan certainly outwitted them on the NYC stadium deal. Let’s be fair. A Gatorade bottle could outwit Woody Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Ownership clearly matters and usually because the owner is hurting the team, not helping it. What bothers me about the Jets is that the coach and GM report to Johnson as equals. That makes no sense on any level and especially because that makes Johnson the defecto president and ultimate decision maker. They should have a football man as president who runs the entire operation and a GM, who makes the player/personnel decisions and reports to the Pres. The coach reports to the GM and the owner writes the checks and gets a cameo from the owners box. Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Rich said: Ownership clearly matters and usually because the owner is hurting the team, not helping it. What bothers me about the Jets is that the coach and GM report to Johnson as equals. That makes no sense on any level and especially because that makes Johnson the defecto president and ultimate decision maker. They should have a football man as president who runs the entire operation and a GM, who makes the player/personnel decisions and reports to the Pres. The coach reports to the GM and the owner writes the checks and gets a cameo from the owners box. Done. This. There’s no czar of football operations. No pecking order. Woody and Chrissy end up being the de facto GMs and do stupid stuff like trade for Tim Tebow or veto JD accepting the Cowboys offer for Adams last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Rich said: Ownership clearly matters and usually because the owner is hurting the team, not helping it. What bothers me about the Jets is that the coach and GM report to Johnson as equals. That makes no sense on any level and especially because that makes Johnson the defecto president and ultimate decision maker. They should have a football man as president who runs the entire operation and a GM, who makes the player/personnel decisions and reports to the Pres. The coach reports to the GM and the owner writes the checks and gets a cameo from the owners box. Done. Half the teams in the NFL are structured just as the Jets are structured, several having won Super Bowls. They didn't invent this. And the Jets are trying to do it the "right" way this time with a GM and HC who know each other and like each other and are working as partners, that's ultimately what you're looking for, two guys with the same focus and agenda. The issue isn't how the Jets are structured. The issue is that the Jets have a revolving door of GM's and HC's and are a turn off to top NFL talent. We need to stop firing HC's and GM's and give them the time they need to fix things. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekJet Posted October 13, 2020 Author Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 minute ago, SAR I said: Half the teams in the NFL are structured just as the Jets are structured, several having won Super Bowls. They didn't invent this. And the Jets are trying to do it the "right" way this time with a GM and HC who know each other and like each other and are working as partners, that's ultimately what you're looking for, two guys with the same focus and agenda. The issue isn't how the Jets are structured. The issue is that the Jets have a revolving door of GM's and HC's and are a turn off to top NFL talent. We need to stop firing HC's and GM's and give them the time they need to fix things. SAR I It could work but it’s not working here. Ever since this structure has been put in place the Jets have been a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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shawn306 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, GreekJet said: Dolan did so with the Rangers. To me that’s quite the case study. Yeah but for about 10 years he didn't. Bringing washed up guys like Lindros, Pavel Bure, Theo Fluery. They were a mess for quite awhile. The lockout of 2004 saved the Rangers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bleedin Green Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 I'm certain CJ has received lots of encouragement for something he should go to do himself, but I don't it was "fire". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 hours ago, slimjasi said: Christopher Johnson would ruin a wet dream . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAR I Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 1 hour ago, GreekJet said: It could work but it’s not working here. Ever since this structure has been put in place the Jets have been a disaster. We have hired the youngest and most raw GM in the NFL. He should not have autonomy over hiring and firing head coaches. Not yet. He hasn't earned it yet. SAR I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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