DeShaun Watson's Texans departure seems inevitable

[Spoot-Face]

9 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

Well....the conversation pertaining to Watson which is not going to happen....let’s be real.   Turns to hey let’s draft a kid....but which kid? Let’s just say the track record on this board is less than stellar. 

Again, I don't see the point you're trying to make here, besides throwing Josh Allen in everyone's face.

[King P]

16 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

Sure. Ignore that he’s literally the first QB in history to suddenly discover accuracy.  

Technically he's not. Brett Favre went from a completion % of 52% in college to 62% in the NFL.

Just saying. I get your point though

[Sammybighead]

24 minutes ago, Titan24 said:

80% of this board thought Josh Allen was an absolute bust.  55% completion in college....ignoring the fact he’s a physical freak w a cannon for arm and could improve.  The college Qb gurus around here don’t have much credibility.

In fairness, I’ve never seen a qb with such low completion percentage suddenly become accurate. This could be a first.

[Grandy]

Another respected NFLer saying that Watson should GTFO

[Pac]

31 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Yep. Imagine having to face Watson 2x a year.

 

Watson just went 0-4 against teams not named Jacksonville in his division.

In fact the Jags accounted for of half his  win total this year. 

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, Grandy said:

Another respected NFLer saying that Watson should GTFO

Pffffft. Andre Johnson sounds like a thug turd, to me.

Remember all those times he took orphaned children to Toy R Us for a Christmas shopping spree on his dime? He only did that for the tax write-offs.

Goddamn social justice.

[addage]

4 hours ago, Greensleeves said:

Exactly who is the risky personality type?

The guy who throws a tantrum saying "TRADE ME"

[batman10023]

3 hours ago, Mike135 said:

 

The bookies love these kinds of bets. 

[Spoot-Face]

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

Watson just went 0-4 against teams not named Jacksonville in his division.

In fact the Jags accounted for of half his  win total this year. 

[RedBeardedSavage]

7 minutes ago, Pac said:

Watson just went 0-4 against teams not named Jacksonville in his division.

In fact the Jags accounted for of half his  win total this year. 

This was a bad year for the Texans. But it's not like he's never been at the helm of a winner. 

The two previous years, the Texans were a 10 and 11 win team. 

And it seems increasingly apparent that the Texans had a completely dysfunctional year from trading D Hop for peanuts, to the Bill O'Brien player revolt/firing and now this mess. And hell I'd even say it was a terrible idea in the first place to tell your quarterback he'd be consulted with GM and HC hiring choices. And then on top of all of that, the Texans broke their promise!

Oh, and they're in cap hell and lack a first & second rounder this year.

[Spoot-Face]

2 minutes ago, addage said:

The guy who throws a tantrum saying "TRADE ME"

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/17/deshaun-watson-has-not-yet-asked-for-a-trade/

Deshaun Watson has not yet asked for a trade

Posted by Mike Florio on January 17, 2021, 10:16 AM EST

 

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Saturday’s excellent SI.com article that looked into a chaotic couple of weeks for the Texans reports, among other things, that quarterback Deshaun Watson “just wants out.” He quite possibly does, but he has not officially asked for that to happen.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Watson has not specifically requested a trade, yet.

Although it’s moving in that direction, Watson realizes that using those words will take the situation past the point of no return. This means that, for now, it’s not past the point of no return.

But it won’t be easy to turn things around. The same organization that made the mess will now have to un-make it.

It hasn’t gone well so far. The Texans invited Watson to give input for both the G.M. hire and the head-coaching hire. He did, and the team disregarded his input. The Texans initially ignored his recommendation that Chiefs offensive coordinator Eric Bieniemy be interviewed for the head-coaching job. As reported last night, the Texans completely ignored Watson’s recommendation that former 49ers defensive coordinator (and now Jets head coach) Robert Saleh be interviewed for the job.

To those who point out that quarterbacks aren’t supposed to play that kind of a role in the management of a team, two points: (1) the Texans asked him to play that role; and (2) since quarterbacks are expected to be quasi-members of management, why shouldn’t they play that kind of a role in the management of a team?

Consider the specific dynamics in Houston. Texans owner Cal McNair and executive V.P. of football operations Jack Easterby made the decision to hire Nick Caserio to serve as the next G.M. How are McNair and Easterby more qualified than Watson to make that call?

McNair and Easterby have made three past General Manager decisions, none of which went well. First, they tried (and failed) to hire Caserio. Second, they decided to proceed without a G.M. Third, they decided to make former head coach Bill O’Brien the G.M., a decision that was undone after only four games in 2020.

As a result of those decisions, the Texans didn’t get enough for Jadeveon Clowney (and paid too much of his 2019 salary), the Texans gave up too much for Laremy Tunsil, and the Texans were snookered by the Cardinals for receiver DeAndre Hopkins.

So what can the Texans do at this point to avoid getting an official trade request from Watson? The only thing to do is to make the best head-coaching hire that they can, and to hope that the new coach can figure out how to get Watson to stop short of asking to be traded.

[King P]

9 minutes ago, Sammybighead said:

In fairness, I’ve never seen a qb with such low completion percentage suddenly become accurate. This could be a first.

It's not, because Favre went from 52% in college to 62% in the NFL.

It's an anomaly, but not the first time it's happened

[Grandy]

3 minutes ago, addage said:

The guy who throws a tantrum saying "TRADE ME"

Watson has only made subliminal comments open to interpretation, the media have been the ones that are talking heavily about his Texan exodus.

JJ Watt has been louder about the fact that the org is a mess and wants out, don't hear anyone talking about how difficult he is.

[Spoot-Face]

1 minute ago, Grandy said:

Watson has only made subliminal comments open to interpretation, the media have been the ones that are talking heavily about his Texan exodus.

JJ Watt has been louder about the fact that the org is a mess and wants out, don't hear anyone talking about how difficult he is.

Must have something to do with JJ Watt's "grit".

[Grandy]

1 minute ago, King P said:

It's not, because Favre went from 52% in college to 62% in the NFL.

It's an anomaly, but not the first time it's happened

I was thinking of that as something close, but Favre played in a different time and against better competition.

Allen was a sub 50% passer in JuCo.

[slimjasi]

5 minutes ago, Grandy said:

JJ Watt has been louder about the fact that the org is a mess and wants out, don't hear anyone talking about how difficult he is.

That sounds about white 

[Grandy]

12 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Pffffft. Andre Johnson sounds like a thug turd, to me.

Remember all those times he took orphaned children to Toy R Us for a Christmas shopping spree on his dime? He only did that for the tax write-offs.

Goddamn social justice.

Caring about, and being unhappy with the treatment of social justice issues by an out of touch owner, in a notoriously bad country with regards to social justice is so cringe and socialist. What a delinquent.

[Pac]

3 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

This was a bad year for the Texans. But it's not like he's never been at the helm of a winner. 

The two previous years, the Texans were a 10 and 11 win team. 

And it seems increasingly apparent that the Texans had a completely dysfunctional year from trading D Hop for peanuts, to the Bill O'Brien player revolt/firing and now this mess. And hell I'd even say it was a terrible idea in the first place to tell your quarterback he'd be consulted with GM and HC hiring choices. And then on top of all of that, the Texans broke their promise!

Oh, and they're in cap hell and lack a first & second rounder this year.

The point is the Jets have been more of a calamity under Gase the last 2 years than any team in the league.

If you're going to trade 3 firsts including the 2nd overall it better be for someone who can win more than 4 games even with the kind of adversity Watson faced this year -- which was still a better situation than he would have had here.

I'm not saying he's not good, he's very good.  I just don't think he's 4 first round picks plus good which is what trading the 2nd and 2 other firsts could amount to.

If they'll take the Jamal picks and a 2nd then do it.  

If they'll take the 2nd pick and a 2nd rounder, do it.

If they want more than that then pass.

 

[Grandy]

A reminder about the FO of the Texans.

Jack Easterby is considered to be a detriment to the team with going behind the back of many personnel/players, breaking covid restrictions, and he was also instrumental in the Hopkins trade. Judging from interviews it seems like Easterby is viewed more as a "minister" kind of leader by the Texans.

McNair and Easterby are in cahoots so heavily due to religious ties, and regularly pray together and ask God to help make decisions about how the team is run. I'm not going to rag on anyone for their religious beliefs, but I can see how some players that are not so religiously inclined would be like "WTF". 

[Pac]

19 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

What would the Jets record with Watson, Gase, Berrios, and Gore been this year?

[RedBeardedSavage]

14 minutes ago, Pac said:

The point is the Jets have been more of a calamity under Gase the last 2 years than any team in the league.

If you're going to trade 3 firsts including the 2nd overall it better be for someone who can win more than 4 games even with the kind of adversity Watson faced this year -- which was still a better situation than he would have had here.

I'm not saying he's not good, he's very good.  I just don't think he's 4 first round picks plus good which is what trading the 2nd and 2 other firsts could amount to.

If they'll take the Jamal picks and a 2nd then do it.  

If they'll take the 2nd pick and a 2nd rounder, do it.

If they want more than that then pass.

 

Fair points. 

I just think price the for us, considering we have so many first rounders, is different than the price in a vacuum. 

Even if we pulled the trigger with the suggested Jerimiah trade, we'd still have a first rounder this year and a first rounder next year. The only pick we'd be down is the 2023 first rounder.

Good to note as well that we can more than afford his contract and be active in free agency. 

All things considered, it's expensive, but not mortgaging the future. 

[Spoot-Face]

13 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

That sounds about white 

[Spoot-Face]

5 minutes ago, Pac said:

What would the Jets record with Watson, Gase, Berrios, and Gore been this year?

Well, seeing as how Deshaun Watson would not be stuck in some freak time warp playing on the 2020 New York Jets for the rest of his career a la Groundhog Day, this is point is stupid and irrelevant.

[Grandy]

4 minutes ago, Pac said:

What would the Jets record with Watson, Gase, Berrios, and Gore been this year?

The Texans had a worse running game (31st), gave up more sacks (29th), had no coach, and had the least amount of plays from scrimmage in the entire league. Even with all of their units finishing worse than us and bottom 5 in the NFL, he was top 5 in everything with the least amount of plays to make something happen. The only thing you could argue they had better was receiving and by the time Will Fuller was suspended even that was debatable. 

[Pac]

Just now, Spoot-Face said:

Well, seeing as how Deshaun Watson would not be stuck in some freak time warp playing on the 2020 New York Jets for the rest of his career a la Groundhog Day, this is point is stupid and irrelevant.

You unwittingly proved my point you baboon.

Whoever is starting at QB for the Jets next year will have a completely different situation.

[T0mShane]

11 minutes ago, Pac said:

You unwittingly proved my point you baboon.

Whoever is starting at QB for the Jets next year will have a completely different situation.

Huh, I cannot for the life of me figure out why @Pac—who is history’s weirdest and only Mike Maccagnan fan—would dislike Deshaun Watson. I mean, I’m sure there’s a reason a big Mike Maccagnan fan would take issue with Deshaun Watson’s success, but I’m really struggling here. Hey, @Jetsfan80, any thoughts as to why @Pac might take issue with the great Deshaun Watson?

 

 

[Spoot-Face]

19 minutes ago, Pac said:

You unwittingly proved my point you baboon.

Whoever is starting at QB for the Jets next year will have a completely different situation.

For the love of cheesy biscuits, this is going back to Darnold finally breaking out once he has the right weapinz, isn't it?

 

I'm just going to assume you're doing a SAR-like bit and tap out before I feel even more silly about jumping down this rabbit hole with you.

[Pac]

16 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

For the love of cheesy biscuits, this is going back to Darnold finally breaking out once he has the right weapinz, isn't it?

 

I'm just going to assume you're doing a SAR-like bit and tap out before I feel even more silly about jumping down this rabbit hole with you.

How many 1st rounders is too much?  Saying I'd trade Seattle's firsts as well as an additional 2nd OR the 2nd pick overall and a 2nd is not a "bit".

Why not give them 10 first rounders?  That oughta get er' dun.

[BornJetsFan1983]

3 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

We got those picks in the first place by avoiding spending $18M per on a Box Safety and accumulating picks in a trade. I’m good with using those picks, and then some, to get a real QB.

Watson would instantly be the best QB this franchise has had since Namath, and it wouldn’t be particularly close. He’s worth it.

 

You may be right...I just don't like the idea of spending all those picks on a qb when we could already have the guy or draft the guy with one pick.

Also I meant missed not kissed you didn't kiss my point. Sorry typos are strong in me.

[MykePM]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

If Houston’s GM is enamored with Tua and if Watson wants to go to Miami then there is no point to this conversation at all.  

Which is fine too.  Fields or Wilson might be better than Watson or Allen, you never know. 

But Tua is a massive step down from Watson, can't see them thinking he's the answer for a very frustrated fanbase.

SAR I

I’m not sure where @King P heard that Caserio loved Tua, but I finally remembered where I had seen it (see below).  I’m not sure if Matt Miller should be considered a reliable source but, if this is true, it does help stack the cards in the Dolphins’ favor:

 

[SAR I]

3 minutes ago, MykePM said:

I’m not sure where @King P heard that Caserio loved Tua, but I finally remembered where I had seen it (see below).  I’m not sure if Matt Miller should be considered a reliable source but, if this is true, it does help stack the cards in the Dolphins’ favor:

 

That was before the 2020 season where on a very good Dolphins team Tua looked like Bryce Petty.  I can’t imagine Caserio being interested in Tua over Fields knowing what he knows now. 

SAR I

[MykePM]

8 minutes ago, SAR I said:

That was before the 2020 season where on a very good Dolphins team Tua looked like Bryce Petty.  I can’t imagine Caserio being interested in Tua over Fields knowing what he knows now. 

SAR I

Here’s hoping.

[jgb]

6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

YOU CAN WIN IT ALL WITH DERRICK HENRY AND DEFENSE DERP

 

 

It’s funny that the Darnold defenders think his “haterz” are anti-Jets. Uh, I think the team isn’t as bad as it looks it’s just being held back by one guy. They think the entire team sucks and is crushing the career of poor little Sam.

[jgb]

7 hours ago, SAR I said:

No need to be hostile. We’re just having a conversation.  

Fields or Wilson might be better than Watson.  No one saw Allen this way.  No one saw Herbert this way.   Yet here we are. 

It’s Watson for Fields + next year’s first round pick.  Just like with Jamal and Seattle, we’re the only team sitting on what Houston desperately needs.  They’ll pay our asking price or get stuck with Tua or Darnold.  

SAR I

Being pro-Darnold is an emotional position because, well, look at the hard evidence. This is not a criticism -- fandom is by definition emotional.

6 hours ago, Grandy said:

I was thinking of that as something close, but Favre played in a different time and against better competition.

Allen was a sub 50% passer in JuCo.

WEaponiz?

6 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Huh, I cannot for the life of me figure out why @Pac—who is history’s weirdest and only Mike Maccagnan fan—would dislike Deshaun Watson. I mean, I’m sure there’s a reason a big Mike Maccagnan fan would take issue with Deshaun Watson’s success, but I’m really struggling here. Hey, @Jetsfan80, any thoughts as to why @Pac might take issue with the great Deshaun Watson?

 

 

Anything to avoid admitting you're wrong on the Internet!

I'd rather be wrong and have the Jets move on from a bust quickly and get good players. But I'm a real Jets fan  

[heymangold]

6 hours ago, Pac said:

What would the Jets record with Watson, Gase, Berrios, and Gore been this year?

i honestly think watson would have won this team 5 more games, at least.

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