Popular Post ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 Found this very interesting. Jets have used the most draft capital of any team in the league over the last 10 years on DL and the most in the league on QB. Also, the least of any team in the league on RB and Center - we haven't drafted a center in 10 years. Towards the bottom on Tackles as well. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post K_O_Brien Posted April 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2021 'With the second pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select.. Christian Barmore, Defensive Tackle, Alabama'. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UntouchableCrew Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, TeddEY said: the most in the league on QB This is kind of surprising but presumably it's mainly based on lots of fliers on 2nd and 4th round types. Darnold is the only QB we've really spent premium assets on in the last ten years. Also kind of amazing we aren't #1 at safety given not only Adams and Maye B2B but the Louisville slugger as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhartonJet Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Nice find. Eye opening and terribly depressing that we've taken the most swings on QB and have always come up empty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, UntouchableCrew said: This is kind of surprising but presumably it's mainly based on lots of fliers on 2nd and 4th round types. Darnold is the only QB we've really spent premium assets on in the last ten years. I'm assuming it's in large part because Darnold ultimately cost 4 high picks? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, WhartonJet said: Nice find. Eye opening and terribly depressing that we've taken the most swings on QB and have always come up empty Not necessarily the most swings, but the highest investment. I believe Darnold, as I said above, is 4 swings. But, not 100% sure in this analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Fing Jets DEAD LAST in offensive line investment. McCagnan should have been shot out of a canon onto a bed of spikes. And people wonder why some of us want to use some of our top picks on the oline this year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 18.3% on DLine. Ooof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, TeddEY said: Found this very interesting. Jets have used the most draft capital of any team in the league over the last 10 years on DL and the most in the league on QB. Also, the least of any team in the league on RB and Center - we haven't drafted a center in 10 years. Towards the bottom on Tackles as well. ..and almost as much on Safeties as they have on QBs. Equally important positions. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Top investment on DL, QBs, and safeties with low O-line investment. Team building 101. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: 18.3% on DLine. Ooof. Btw, that 18.3% is the highest number on the chart. STOP DRAFTING D-LINEMAN! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, TeddEY said: Found this very interesting. Jets have used the most draft capital of any team in the league over the last 10 years on DL and the most in the league on QB. Also, the least of any team in the league on RB and Center - we haven't drafted a center in 10 years. Towards the bottom on Tackles as well. boy, i read this thinking this was somehow how much drat capital the jets need to use on each position until i saw the number for defensive tackles. interesting chart. also interesting about the amount of draft capital used for qb. this underscores needing to get the right guy. kind of strange to see the giaints up there considering how long eli was qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenwichjetfan Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, TeddEY said: I'm assuming it's in large part because Darnold ultimately cost 4 high picks? Just on the initial look, it doesn't seem like they're factoring trade value. I think it's simply a look at the number of picks used per position. Which would make sense given that the Jets continuously waste mid and late round picks on scrub QB prospects, year after year. I believe if value were incorporated, teams like the Rams and Broncos would be significantly ahead of the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 If you are dead last in the league for oline QB capital does not matter. 0% on centers and we trot out the likes of wes johnson, kalil, harrison (an utter jag but better than the rest) and the legendary Spencer Long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IntoTheGreen Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Btw, that 18.3% is the highest number on the chart. STOP DRAFTING D-LINEMAN! I'll add to that if you're going to draft DL at least make a passrusher...the fact that they've all been interior just makes it so much more of a fail. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: ..and almost as much on Safeties as they have on QBs. Equally important positions. 2nd in the league in safeties... How did I miss that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said: Just on the initial look, it doesn't seem like they're factoring trade value. I think it's simply a look at the number of picks used per position. Which would make sense given that the Jets continuously waste mid and late round picks on scrub QB prospects, year after year. I believe if value were incorporated, teams like the Rams and Broncos would be significantly ahead of the Jets. It's definitely not just the number of picks. It's OTC's draft trade value chart: https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart/ So, it includes the value of that pick. That having been said, it's certainly possible (maybe even likely) that Darnold only counts for the #3 overall pick (2443), and not the other picks. Having 3 less picks would certainly up all the percentages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: Btw, that 18.3% is the highest number on the chart. STOP DRAFTING D-LINEMAN! 2nd highest. SF 19.1 on EDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, rangerous said: boy, i read this thinking this was somehow how much drat capital the jets need to use on each position until i saw the number for defensive tackles. interesting chart. also interesting about the amount of draft capital used for qb. this underscores needing to get the right guy. kind of strange to see the giaints up there considering how long eli was qb. Giants aren't that high. Only 7.3 percent, and that includes Jones at 6 over all. Looks like average at QB is about 6.5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Disgraceful neglect of the offensive line. On offence in general to be honest. Honestly this draft is pissing me off because it’s absolutely stacked with offensive talent and of course the Jets are back round to picking a QB. We’ve picked so often in the top 10 and never had anything like a Pitts, Sewell or Chase fall into our laps. Just these “best in the draft” safeties and DT’s. It’s infuriating. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, TeddEY said: 2nd highest. SF 19.1 on EDGE I'm not so good at the maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, Peace Frog said: I'm not so good at the maths. I think we can all agree 19.1 on EDGE is better than 18.6 on DLINE anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Just now, TeddEY said: I think we can all agree 19.1 on EDGE is better than 18.6 on DLINE anyway. Yeah yeah, that's what I originally meant. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 47 minutes ago, K_O_Brien said: 'With the second pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select.. Christian Barmore, Defensive Tackle, Alabama'. It's a joke but OMG I would lose my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleDown Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 Interesting note: Jets have invested much more at WR than I would have expected. I suppose the 2nd round picks have added up: Stephen Hill, Devin Smith, Denzel Mims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Fing Jets DEAD LAST in offensive line investment. McCagnan should have been shot out of a canon onto a bed of spikes. And people wonder why some of us want to use some of our top picks on the oline this year. Too fast. He should have been waterboarded with coffee first. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 minute ago, DoubleDown said: Interesting note: Jets have invested much more at WR than I would have expected. I suppose the 2nd round picks have added up: Stephen Hill, Devin Smith, Denzel Mims. We've also drafted Hansen and Stewart back to back. There's certainly been an investment. In the wrong ones, and mostly once all the good ones were taken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 I think without this chart we could have probably ranked them just on gut feel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 22 minutes ago, TeddEY said: It's definitely not just the number of picks. It's OTC's draft trade value chart: https://overthecap.com/draft-trade-value-chart/ So, it includes the value of that pick. That having been said, it's certainly possible (maybe even likely) that Darnold only counts for the #3 overall pick (2443), and not the other picks. Having 3 less picks would certainly up all the percentages. I suspect it’s just the value of the picks used. Darnold at #3, Geno and Hack in the second, and a fourth for Morgan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doitny Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 im surprised that a team that had Mawae and Mangold at center has spend 0 draft picks on one. we should know better than anybody how important it is to have a great one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, K_O_Brien said: 'With the second pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, the New York Jets select.. Christian Barmore, Defensive Tackle, Alabama'. That would be the start of the "2021 Covid riots" as historians look back 50 years from now. Middle school students would be playing jeopardy on the class smart board in social studies and the question would read "This team drafted a DT #2 overall which led to riots in the Tri State area that sparked nationwide anarchy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 The allocation of resources to non-premium positions bother me: interior d-line, safeties But mostly the Jets are just terrible at drafting quarterbacks, receivers and cornerbacks. Even when we did invest in the correct positions, it was no bueno. Joe Douglas Baratheon should avoid interior d-lineman and safeties, yes, but mostly dude just needs to hit on draft picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: The allocation of resources to non-premium positions bother me: interior d-line, safeties But mostly the Jets are just terrible at drafting quarterbacks, receivers and cornerbacks. Even when we did invest in the correct positions, it was no bueno. Joe Douglas Baratheon should avoid interior d-lineman and safeties, yes, but mostly dude just needs to hit on draft picks. Agreed. It's poor roster-building philosophy by investing premium assets into non-premium positions, but also we'd be in way better shape if Stephen Hill, Quinton Coples, Darren Lee, Calvin Pryor, Kyle Wilson, Jace Amaro, Jachai Polite, chad hanson, ardarius stewart etc. were actually real players we would be much better shape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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