oatmeal Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Green Ghost said: Question…. If the Lamar Jackson situation was the same as Derek Carr, where he’d be getting cut in February, would you still be against signing him? I don’t want to give up the draft capital and still have to pay the contract, but if he were a FA I’d be all in. In fact I’d prefer him ove Carr. 22 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: Oo 100%. There will be an order of events prior to any Lamar trade happening. Where Carr decides he wants to play will be decided in February. Lamar may not come til after FA IMO Carr would be a fool to help LV and hurt his new team by losing draft picks after the way McDaniel shafted him. He should and will hit free agency, he will have a market and in that scenario he ends up somewhere warm like CAR or MiA IMO 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, oatmeal said: It’s insane bro they want Jimmu G or Carr - the definition of jag QBs who fan bases hate them truly amazing stuff Exactly how bout we try to actually win a super bowl. Adding Lamar Jackson would give us the best chance. I don’t care about the draft picks we’d have to give up or his “mileage”. Let’s go all in for once and try to actually win the whole thing. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Flea Flicking Frank said: This really depends on your goals. The reality is there are no really great options. Really great options rarely if ever become available. Teams don't let great options get away i think it's tough to argue that Lamar isn't the best option out of derek carr, jimmy g, minshew, matt ryan, etc. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I’m not really pro getting Lamar, but as far as abuse to his body goes. Cam and Lamar seem to have completely different running styles. Cam would run straight into guys all game and get hit constantly. Lamar seems to scoot to the sideline pretty often without getting hit at all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 it's never going to happen so don't worry about it Lamar is the premium option the JD Jets are shopping in the bargain bin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Ghost Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Carr would be a fool to help LV and hurt his new team by losing draft picks after the way McDaniel shafted him. He should and will hit free agency, he will have a market and in that scenario he ends up somewhere warm like CAR or MiA IMO I agree 100% even on the two teams. Those are the exact two teams I’ve thought of from the beginning he will decide between also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, hotrodcharlie said: No he doesnt He just completed his 5th season and has 727 career carries. LeVeon Bell for comparison had nearly 1,300 after year 5 You are only counting rushing stats. Even when he is passing, he is often running around pre pass, and gets hit a lot when he drops back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker89 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 We're Jets fans when will we learn As a Jet fan: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, bitonti said: it's never going to happen so don't worry about it Lamar is the premium option the JD Jets are shopping in the bargain bin JD and Saleh have to win next year, woody loves big splashes so idk about shutting it down so soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, bitonti said: it's never going to happen so don't worry about it Lamar is the premium option the JD Jets are shopping in the bargain bin If Lamar is actually available the Jets will def be involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, heymangold said: i think it's tough to argue that Lamar isn't the best option out of derek carr, jimmy g, minshew, matt ryan, etc. Again, it depends on your goals and your expectations. Jimmy G, Minshew Ryan are no better than Mike White IMO. So we are really talking about Carr and Jackson. Two totally different types of players. If Jackson needs to tone down the running game, does that hurt his passing game? It definitely does not help. I think Jackson is about a lock if healthy to get you a playoff spot, although hes not enough to pass the Bills, so you are looking at a wild card, and hes not winning a SB here. Very unlikely Carr is winning a SB here either, but he has more ability go generate a big passing game than Jackson does IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Rhg1084 said: If Lamar is actually available the Jets will def be involved Of course, and you would really have to ask yourself, why would a great org like the Ravens be making him available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 While we’re on the topic, was anyone else surprised at how definitively both Woody and Saleh committed to getting a new QB in to replace Zach? Woody said QB was a “missing piece” and would spend what he had to in order to get a new one in here, and Saleh basically said the same. Pretty striking, imo. I would have figured they’d give him more cover. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 51 minutes ago, bla bla bla said: I get what you are saying but put yourself in Douglas' shoes - You need to win immediately - You won't have the opportunity to spend your draft picks of you don't get the QB so who cares. Same can be said for cap space. Douglas will go big game hunting if he strikes out in FA This....I think this off season you see a different JD...things change quick when your job is on the line...pair that with Woody who just said he would pay big to fix qb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Of course, and you would really have to ask yourself, why would a great org like the Ravens be making him available Hey if they don’t want him the Jets will gladly take him. Watch their playoff game this weekend without Lamar playing and see how they look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, Zachtomims47 said: Kinda want him now just because you don't. But anywho - Durability is a concern. Outside of that... He's a dynamic playmaker with the ball in his hands. He might decline in the run aspect but I don't see that happening soon. They have the coach. They don't have the coordinator or the players to support him. They have failed to draft or trade for anyone worthwhile. Ravens would consider NOT re signing him because they're clearly at a point where they need to rebuild. Lamar is the only thing making that team respectable. Whether they want to admit it or not. Take the picks and start over. He's already declined. That is a big part of the point. And he has not finished either of the last 2 seasons. So all of a sudden he is going to stay healthy? Makes no sense. Jets fans just want a name. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Rhg1084 said: Hey if they don’t want him the Jets will gladly take him. Watch their playoff game this weekend without Lamar playing and see how they look Naturally, we are the Jets afterall..... Based on history, who is more likely making the right move, the Ravens, or the Jets??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted January 13, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2023 I, too, get physically ill at the idea of having a MVP caliber QB, who won that award with almost nothing at WR, come here to throw to a pretty darn good WR corp, backed by a very good defense. Ill I tell you. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhg1084 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Naturally, we are the Jets afterall..... Based on history, who is more likely making the right move, the Ravens, or the Jets??? Again, adding Lamar to the Jets puts us as a Super Bowl contender. The Ravens losing Lamar puts them as a bottom 10 team in the league. It’s about time Jets go all in a try to win a superbowl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: If Lamar is actually available the Jets will def be involved 8 minutes ago, oatmeal said: JD and Saleh have to win next year, woody loves big splashes so idk about shutting it down so soon no they won't go after Lamar the Jets are not going to spend that type of cash when they have big cash tied up in Zach it's going to be a moderate priced dude like Carr or Jimmy G not a high priced dude like Lamar or Aaron Rodgers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Rhg1084 said: Again, adding Lamar to the Jets puts us as a Super Bowl contender. The Ravens losing Lamar puts them as a bottom 10 team in the league. It’s about time Jets go all in a try to win a superbowl oh, ok, if you say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, hotrodcharlie said: Learn the game, watch how he runs the football, he runs it like a RB not a QB, thats why he can absorb hits and play a long time. But this is the concern. Average career length of an RB is the shortest of any position in the NFL. Average career length of a QB is longest of any position aside from kicker/punter. He has not finished either of the last two seasons due to injury. If you could guarantee we would be getting 2019 MVP Lamar, I would be all in for that. But to give up multiple 1s and have to pay him $100M+ guaranteed. For an injury risk whose numbers the last two years have not approached his 2019-20 production. No thanks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said: Of course, and you would really have to ask yourself, why would a great org like the Ravens be making him available Could be a multitude of reasons...Tom Brady was made available, as was brees, peyton manning, brett favre...This is likely over money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Lith said: But this is the concern. Average career length of an RB is the shortest of any position in the NFL. Average career length of a QB is longest of any position aside from kicker/punter. He has not finished either of the last two seasons due to injury. If you could guarantee we would be getting 2019 MVP Lamar, I would be all in for that. But to give up multiple 1s and have to pay him $100M+ guaranteed. For an injury risk whose numbers the last two years have not approached his 2019-20 production. No thanks. This is exactly the point the Lamar guys are completely missing. They are acting like its a lock to get 2019 Lamar, if the Ravens who see him every day thought that, no way in the world they make him available. He has declined every year since then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: no they won't go after Lamar the Jets are not going to spend that type of cash when they have big cash tied up in Zach it's going to be a moderate priced dude like Carr or Jimmy G not a high priced dude like Lamar or Aaron Rodgers Jimmy always hurt and as a jet will definitely get hurt, they bring him in we might as well start the 2024 mock drafts now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usanyj Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said: Again, adding Lamar to the Jets puts us as a Super Bowl contender. The Ravens losing Lamar puts them as a bottom 10 team in the league. It’s about time Jets go all in a try to win a superbowl I've said the same thing to people...I'm tired of trying to convince myself the Sam Darnold's and Zach Wilson's of the world will work out. They haven't. Take a big swing and try to win it, you have a window with a bunch of solid players on rookie deals. Take the shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: While we’re on the topic, was anyone else surprised at how definitively both Woody and Saleh committed to getting a new QB in to replace Zach? Woody said QB was a “missing piece” and would spend what he had to in order to get a new one in here, and Saleh basically said the same. Pretty striking, imo. I would have figured they’d give him more cover. Do you think he’s moved ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, oatmeal said: Jimmy always hurt and as a jet will definitely get hurt, they bring him in we might as well start the 2024 mock drafts now Yeah that's the point bring in Jimmy or similar and when that dude craps out, Zach gets his comeback story this whole this is based on the further development of Zach Wilson they aren't going to bury him like Jordan Love they are going to make sure he has another chance to develop why? just look at my signature (which I don't remember making by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, usanyj said: Could be a multitude of reasons...Tom Brady was made available, as was brees, peyton manning, brett favre...This is likely over money. Brady and Peyton and Favre were at the very end of their careers. This is a MVP caliber QB entering year 6. Brees was coming off of 3 bad years and 1 good year and a bad injury with a high first round pick. This is more comparable to Jay Cutler if anything, but kind of unprecedented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, oatmeal said: Do you think he’s moved ? Just based on the language they used yesterday, it sure sounds like they’re done waiting for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undertow Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I'm not even a Lamar super fan but Jets fans are smoking crack we just watched Zippy WIlson throw the ball into the ground for two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: Yeah that's the point bring in Jimmy or similar and when that dude craps out, Zach gets his comeback story this whole this is based on the further development of Zach Wilson they aren't going to bury him like Jordan Love they are going to make sure he has another chance to develop why? just look at my signature (which I don't remember making by the way) The Jets have literally given zero indication of this, at all. They have said they are going aggressively after a QB. You don't go aggressively after a QB and call it the missing piece if you think you have your QB on the roster. This is another in a long list of really terrible takes of yours. Still havent answered, who makes more money, a really good Guard or a top OC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flea Flicking Frank Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, undertow said: I'm not even a Lamar super fan but Jets fans are smoking crack we just watched Zippy WIlson throw the ball into the ground for two years. The options are not Lamar or ZW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyblaster67 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 pray they dont do something stupid and over pay for this nit wit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Just now, Flea Flicking Frank said: The Jets have literally given zero indication of this, at all. They have said they are going aggressively after a QB. You don't go aggressively after a QB and call it the missing piece if you think you have your QB on the roster. This is another in a long list of really terrible takes of yours. Still havent answered, who makes more money, a really good Guard or a top OC? dude the high priced Guard is more important than the OC believe it or not all the players are more important than all the coaches that's how money works - the free market reflects worth also If you think the Jets will acquire a Lamar or Aaron rodgers level QB I'd be happy to take the other side of that bet. 100 dollars to the charity of the winner's choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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